C4s are a good place for small wormhole corps to grow.

yes, that is true, but only because all the C2s are taken.

Empire routes can also be a pita with some routes going through 4 or 5 systems before you hit empire. However, because of all of this and other things, you will generally find more C4's are empty as not many people want to live there so easier to find one to move in to.

Having lived in a C2 with C4/HS for the last 6 months I'm comfortable saying C4s are good money for people who don't have the manpower for/don't feel like running Capital Escalations in C5s.

You can expect about 100 million ISK per site. We run in 3-5 man gangs and this works out to about 5-10 sites completed per hour.

You will not be able to "solo" them efficiently in the traditional sense; if you run 3 accounts you can easily "solo box" them in 3 tengus, or 2 battleships with a Logistics.

They're quiet enough most of the time that you don't have to worry about incoming too much, but I have noticed in the last few months more corps moving into C5->C4s or C4->C4s to run down a chain looking for kills. Using any number of well-known survival tactics you can safely run sites in a C4 with as few as 3 people (sub-capitals) efficiently. If you run in the EU timezone, you don't want to do C4s; there are 3 or 4 huge Russian alliances that are buying up the C4/C3s and the C2/C4s and they're very active in that TZ in C4s. This has put a lot more traffic through C4s in the last 2 months or so during that time window.

Svo.

I have been quite successful so far running C4 sites dual boxing tengus. I have easily done 3 of the 4 anoms (haven't done integrated terminus yet). And I skip the radar/mag sites with the quad safeguard final wave. I can generally clear a site in about 18-20 minutes. I still prefer running in a fleet, but I also like being able to make isk when nobody is on.

Depending on the fit he's referring to, it's either remote rep shield fit, which is a little slow DPS wise, or local uber tank, which can be a bit expensive. Still good money though. Integrated Terminus' are the easiest btw; you'd roll them no problem, we used to do dual RR tengus for those.

Svo.

As several people hinted at about C4s are the sweet spot for 1-2 people with well rounded sub-cap skills (but don't have or aren't interested in moving into multiboxing capitals or joining a bigger corp). A small number of well organised/skilled characters can run thorugh C4s quite effectively without having to spread the payout over lots of people.

Routes to k-space are going to be an issue, a C3 static could potentially mean you can crash it constantly for 2 hours and find nothing but C3s with low/null links and incoming C4s before you find a d845, k162 from high or a low thats feasible for highsec logistics. But a C3 static gives you another chance to make ISK if your motivated as you won't have to crash many to find one with lots of sites built up.

There is apparently a wandering hole from C4/k-space, most people are of the opinion that it doesn't exist in the game, I'm not so sure myself as the chance of it appearing does mean you could sit in a C4 24x7 monitoring sigs for 2-3 years and never see one, but that does mean its pretty much irrelevant if it exists or not and no ones ever come forward and said they've seen one.

To a degree yes - tho a 30man active corp in a C4 is wasting their time when they could be pulling in far more in a C5/6. C2/3 is better for a casual corp with mixed skills tho than a C4/3 as when activity is light then they don't have the potential to run local sites so easily - theres going to be some crossover tho. i.e. if they are very active in running their static then a C4/3 could make more sense.

My corp is looking for a new home. Ideally we want a C4->C3, but I have found a C4->C4 with extremely good PI and the cataclysmic effect (ideal for spider tanking)

At the moment, we are few players but good skilled. The only problem is reseting wormholes to arrive at k-space or getting a C3 (the best thing we can farm at the moment)

So our chances are: keep looking for a C4/3, or stay in our C4/4 and do the industrial stuff. What is your advice? (at the moment we can't fly tech III, but we are close though)

I don't have any experience with a C4 to C4, but in a C3 to low sec even then the logistics is challenging. You're going to have a heck of a time getting anything into or out of the hole in a timely manner.

yk

I did C4 anomalies for a while, dualboxing with a Paladin and a Guardian, both t2-fitted. Could clear the sites in 16-20 minutes. So it was quite decent ISK, but barely better than what I pull solo in a C3 with cheaper ships. It was also a lot riskier; one mistake and you lose a ship to the sleepers.

But the worst thing about C4 sites really is the awfully long range those damned sleepers keep from you.

Although someone mentioned Russians roaming the C4s all day, I guess C4s are still the most quiet systems because relatively few people live in systems with static C4. That and the fact that there are not wandering holes and no k-space connections should be perfect for quiet farming. Even if you don't want to run the C4 combat sites and use your static for that, living in a C4 has the advantage that your resident ladar and grav sites are of higher quality than in C2s.

What ultimately discouraged me to ever set up shop in a C4 was the very lack of traffic... after all, no traffic means no pvp.

C4/C4's are for hardcore antisocial neckbeards or people who like living in the wilderness eating backpackers. You are only going to encounter other C4s, at least half of which are empty. Then those may go up or down the spectrum, and your logistics chain will be only long enough to let your backpacker **** slave out of the basement. Then you eat her and howl at the moon.

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