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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:50:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO.
You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp.
Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:09:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:Cearain wrote:Shepard Book wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Nope, **** off to wh space if you dont like it.
Removing local would destroy pvp... Opinions vary just like attitudes. Why do you think it would kill PvP? Maybe you could expand on that instead of trying to be some internet tough guy. I personally think it would help because people would engage more instead of saying the other fleet has too many. To often people will just stay docked instead of even trying because they got free intel on numbers of the opposing fleet. I realize it would actually take some effort for people to go find/avoid targets. I think it would promote more communication and pull more people into fleets. Many are afraid of the unknown and I understand that but the free intel local gives just waters down Eve PvP IMO. You realize it would take more effort to find fights. So you sort of answer your own question. Lots of people in this game want more frequent pvp not less frequent pvp. Thats a big reason worm hole space is so sparsely populated. I disagree. I appreciate your input though.
Have you ever been in something like faction war looking for fights? If you have you would know how important checking local is to find fights. In things like faction war people actually want to pvp its not like the "hunting" you find everywhere else in eve. I think this is what people who live in wormholes and want no local everywhere don't seem to understand.
The number of pvp kills per person is way lower in wormholes. In fact its the lowest for any sec area other than high sec.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:22:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:Cearain wrote:
Have you ever been in something like faction war looking for fights? If you have you would know how important checking local is to find fights. In things like faction war people actually want to pvp its not like the "hunting" you find everywhere else in eve. I think this is what people who live in wormholes and want no local everywhere don't seem to understand.
The number of pvp kills per person is way lower in wormholes. In fact its the lowest for any sec area other than high sec.
That is a good question. I have been active in FW for about half a year now in a very active PvP oriented Corp. Most my experience comes from 0.0 I will admit. There are people in every type of space that prefer PVE or PVP and some that do both. I do not think you can say no local only works in wormhole space when it has not even been tried elsewhere.
I don't think no local works in wormhole space. I would go into wormhole space allot to look for fights if it had local. The problem is I don't want to waste allot of time searching empty space for a fight.
Null sec pvp is still has allot of that "hunting" mentality. I'm glad you are trying faction war its a bit different. Here is a quote from someone who came from null sec and tried fw:
" How does FW differ from other things youGÇÖve experienced in EVE so far?
The biggest difference in FW vs nullsec or wormhole PVP is the lack of GÇ£hunting.GÇ¥ There is no GÇ£huntingGÇ¥ in FW GÇô you just undock and there are targets everywhere. You donGÇÖt have to roam 10, 20 or more systems to find a target, you donGÇÖt have to chase and bait them, you just undock and explode. I actually miss the hunt. "
http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/
She misses the hunt but I find hunting in eve and in real life way to boring. Worm holes definitely is like hunting ground if that is what you like. But keep eve diverse. Have some areas where you can just find targets and start blowing stuff up more easilly as well.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:58:00 -
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Kazim Scumling wrote:Cearain wrote:She misses the hunt, but I find hunting in eve and in real life way to boring. Worm holes definitely is like hunting ground if that is what you like. But keep eve diverse. Have some areas where you can just find targets and start blowing stuff up more easilly as well. That's why I believe an improved active scanning mechanism is "essential" before removing the local. With current d-scan it's not enjoyable for me too. EDIT: Also "local" favors FW pilots which are avoiding combat going for PvE mechanics of it.
you make some good points about why wormholes are so empty. Especially the lack of stations. But many of you reasons sort of cut both ways. And there are many opportunities and resources that wormholes offer that low sec does not - that you didn't mention.
But anyway. When people start talking about improved scanning it either falls short, or it ends up being just like local.
Local is actually the exact information you need to avoid blobs. Lots of people in local? Is everyone in local in the same corp alliance? Is that corp based here? If the answers are yes, yes, no then you can be pretty sure engaging one of them will lead to your being blobbed.
FW is building in protections and adding other mechanics that will help prevent pilots from avoiding pvp and encouraging more frequent pvp. Removing local will just force everyone to be more cautious and risk averse due to cloaked blobs.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.09 13:55:00 -
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PhatController wrote:What's wrong with free intel? There are tonnes of free things in eve, for example jump gates are free, docking in a station is free?
Although people who want local nerfed always complain that it is "free" cost really isn't the issue. Even if we had to pay 5 mill isk a month to have the information that concord has regarding who is using stargates they would still be upset.
They just don't players to see their blob until its too late.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:55:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:MukkBarovian wrote:
We will fight epic cat and mouse battles across 0.0. Bombers, cloaky snipers, and cloaky T3 gangs will be the order of the day. Paranoia will be the watchword. Any moment you may be seconds away from a death you had no way of preventing. It will be epic.
REMOVE LOCAL NOW.
I'm thinking post was a troll. He accurately explains why nerfing local will turn the game to **** but then he says he wants to do it.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.12 22:27:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:
I'm uncertain about any drastic measures with local because i'm against any form heavy limitation to specific mechanics in the game. I don't think only relying on the scanner would be better than only relying on local. The issue today is that many pilots rely quite exclusively on local (and extended use of intel from local). That's not good either - and certainly worth discussing. Complaints about AFK cloaking is a subset of that discussion. As with any discussion regarding balance, the discussion should revolve around finding balance between the extremes. That's far more constructive than hurling poisonous comments at either extreme.
I agree there is no reason for attacks. However I think local is a balanced intel tool. I think no local would almost certainly lead to allot of the problems MukkBarovian mentions, and make pvp pretty silly.
Local gives an appropriate amount of intel. It tells you who is in system and if they are in the same corp or alliance so you can hopefully avoid getting blobbed.
It does not tell you what ships they are in or even if they are docked or in pods. Nor does it tell you where people are. I don't know any pvpers that exclusively use local.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.13 00:56:00 -
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I don't fly in sov null sec. The op doesn't seem limit his proposal to sov null sec.
I did explain why I think local is a fairly balanced intel tool. It gives you some preliminary information on a system like is there anyone even there, and are they all in the same corp/alliance (and therefore likely in the same fleet) it also tells you who they are so if they are always in a bait ship you don't need to waste your time.
IMO this basic information is not something that should require a bunch of work.
The dscan then tells us what ships they are in and with some work what location they are in.
I don't see any reason to make this process more tedious.
I really don't see a problem with the current set up. I use dscan as both offensive and defensive in pvp and pve. But again I am in low sec where there are usually people in local. So ymmv in sov null sec.
I don't see peoples complaints about seeing afk cloakers in local as having any merit at all. Stay aligned if you are not behind an accel gate.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.11.17 00:41:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:removing local in nullsec would be the best thing ever, null would still suck poopie tho, not sure how to fix that
Are you the one criticizing other people's posts for not adding to the discussion?
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