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Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 16:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Actually i dont. Considering the first time you enter .4 it gives you a warning about the danger of entering low sec space. You enter an agreement that you MIGHT be shot and MIGHT be killed. TBH, there are very Few empire pirates anymore... So, basiclly u dont care one bit that u may be ruining someones game completely? And yes, its true u get that warning, but what kind of kick do u get by blowing up a new player in a frig?
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.08 16:56:00 - [32] I have no problem doing it. I have been on the other end as well. However, you CAN AVOID PIRACY! it just takes a little common sense, and using the map a bit. When i was a noob iwas on the recieveing end of pirates too, however, i learned and adapted. ITs how the game works.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:07:00 - [33] Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/04/2005 17:15:12 Originally by: Luxille So, basiclly u dont care one bit that u may be ruining someones game completely? And yes, its true u get that warning, but what kind of kick do u get by blowing up a new player in a frig? Basically, if they can't handle it. They are not going to be playing Eve-Online for long anyway. Like I have told the many of new players I have introduced to the game. You have to remember, isk is found in risk. ;) When I was running around in my Imacus as a n00b, I was blown up and podded back when BS could easily tank the new Sentries stay out of their low range using Tacyons. It hurt, and was quite sad because I just picked up my mission loot and lost a 1million skill book (and that was a lot back then ;_; )that grabed while I was on the mission that could start training for in 20 minutes.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel I have no problem doing it. I have been on the other end as well. However, you CAN AVOID PIRACY! it just takes a little common sense, and using the map a bit. When i was a noob iwas on the recieveing end of pirates too, however, i learned and adapted. ITs how the game works. Still cant help feeling sorry for the people dooing it, nothing but pirates wannabee's in my eyes, people with no balls. Kinna like having a 30 year old going to a kindergarden to kick someone. He is 100% sure to be able to hit someone, and 100% sure that noone will fight back
Phearlene	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:09:00 - [35] I always thought that FULL PvP should be a 0.0 sec activity only. LOW Sec space would have harder spawns of NPC up to Battleship level (so you could get used to fighting and give you a chance to get back in the black if you went to 0.0 b4 you could handle it). In 0.0 instas don't work camping happens it's lawless. In .1 sec and above we only deal wit NPC bandits. That being said MAKE 0.0 more attractive. Better loot.. more rare mins, more frequent rare drops, make the danger worth the risk. As it stands now why would I want to go to .4 when I get whacked by a 15year old crotch biter in a battlewagon .. for no other reason than he's a L33t PieRat.. feh.. it's silly. Make the sec ratings make sense. High sec is Ubersafe for traders... noobs etc.. LOW sec has better rewards and functions as a practise ground for up and coming PvP'ers..0.0 sec is anything goes as it should be, and weight the rewards accordingly. So then it would seem everyone is happy.. UberPlayers have richer feeding grounds. MidRange players have enough to get to the next level.. CareBears et al have their safe regions and everything functions. There would be a general push to 0.0 anyway under this system just for the better rewards. Oh well.. like it would happen.. still tho we can dream a little dream.
Phearlene	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Luxille Originally by: Kyle Caldrel I have no problem doing it. I have been on the other end as well. However, you CAN AVOID PIRACY! it just takes a little common sense, and using the map a bit. When i was a noob iwas on the recieveing end of pirates too, however, i learned and adapted. ITs how the game works. Still cant help feeling sorry for the people dooing it, nothing but pirates wannabee's in my eyes, people with no balls. Kinna like having a 30 year old going to a kindergarden to kick someone. He is 100% sure to be able to hit someone, and 100% sure that noone will fight back Well Said M8
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:19:00 - [37] Please direct all complaints about gate-gankers to CCP. By eliminating ransom and belt piracy, they have implicitly condoned and encouraged gatecamping. Oh, and EVE isnt the game for you. You should quit and go play something else. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:25:00 - [38] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Please direct all complaints about gate-gankers to CCP. By eliminating ransom and belt piracy, they have implicitly condoned and encouraged gatecamping. Oh, and EVE isnt the game for you. You should quit and go play something else. Im sorry, but i dont think u are intitled to decide wether eve is a game for me or not. Im simply asking why some people are doing this and what kinna kick they get out of ruining the game for others? Just lost a badger full of trit, and its no big deal to me. Was just wondering why people are doing it?
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Luxille Im sorry, but i dont think u are intitled to decide wether eve is a game for me or not. I'm not saying you HAVE to quit. I'm just saying that if you dont, you're just going to keep ***ing and moaning like you are here, then youre going to quit after a few months. Just save us all the time. Originally by:** Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Avon	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Luxille Im sorry, but i dont think u are intitled to decide wether eve is a game for me or not. Im simply asking why some people are doing this and what kinna kick they get out of ruining the game for others? Just lost a badger full of trit, and its no big deal to me. Was just wondering why people are doing it? Strange though it may seem, the other 50k+ players of this game are not in it to make you happy. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:32:00 - [41] Refer to rollins sig. Rollin has killed me twice when i was a noob. Since then, i have LEARNED from my mistakes, and havent lost anything in over a month, while being in some hairy pvp situations.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:38:00 - [42] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Originally by: Luxille Im sorry, but i dont think u are intitled to decide wether eve is a game for me or not. I'm not saying you HAVE to quit. I'm just saying that if you dont, you're just going to keep ***ing and moaning like you are here, then youre going to quit after a few months. Just save us all the time. Mate, noone is twisting your arm here. If u dont agree with my oppinions and cant come with constructive arguments, plz dont post in this thread. I never intended to make this sound like moaning, either do i feel im *ing. On the other hand i feel that u are the one ***ing about my post. I raised a fair question, but have not yet been provided with an answer i could see argumenting for why people are ganking new players in empire.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Luxille Im sorry, but i dont think u are intitled to decide wether eve is a game for me or not. Im simply asking why some people are doing this and what kinna kick they get out of ruining the game for others? Just lost a badger full of trit, and its no big deal to me. Was just wondering why people are doing it? Strange though it may seem, the other 50k+ players of this game are not in it to make you happy. I dont recall asking the players in eve to make me happy? Simply asking what fun people gets from killing noobs who dont/cant fight back.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Luxille I raised a fair question, but have not yet been provided with an answer i could see argumenting for why people are ganking new players in empire. Because CCP eliminated all other forms of piracy. Gatecamping is the only thing realistically left. Please direct your complaints to oveur, who stated yesterday that fixing flagging (and by association, giving ransom/belt piracy any sort of inticement over gateganking) is so far down on their list of priorities that I'm going to be paying for EVE with a social security check before it happens. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Horsefly	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:48:00 - [45] Have you people that complain about Gate ganking ever thought that maybe the pirates are claiming the system/systems you are jumping into. Maybe they just want to have an area they dont have to worry about people jumping into and taking what they persive as there space. For instance in the empire region next to Great Wildlands, you will find pirates located in the highway systems. They are sort of claiming the systems to profit from them. i.e. Killing the Transport ships that run through there with the 0.0 loot and such. It is easier to gank them where they feel they can let there guard down then in 0.0 where the guard is up. But more to your point not all pirates are lacking in the balls department. The ones I know actually go looking for a fight in empire, because they have done the 0.0 thing with alliances and wish to avoid the politics plus blob warefare that it inevitably becomes. Even if when we do go on excurtions to 0.0 to do a "kill everything in site" mission it turns into a blobfest in about 30 mins or they log off if you have a strong enough force and catch them by surprise. Consiquently in empire noone seems to use the map (since its gonna change less people will use the map after it) and you can usually kill off mining barges or other ships and get either strip miners or expander moduals, that you sell on the market. From what the people say about us is what they see the 90 seconds there alive for. And as a side not most dont camp the gates all day. We know your comming about 3-4 jumps before you get there. Just my 2 cents, and I'll probibly edit this later too.
Ryy Kishin	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:49:00 - [46] I never see someone cry so much, It is a GameIt is only a Shipyou can get another one. I am also a noob and have been podded a few times at gates. So what it is part of the game I dont complain its fun. If you dont like being blown up stay in safe space or dont undock. Other than that take off your diaper and take it like a gamer! Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse!
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:51:00 - [47] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters Originally by: Luxille I raised a fair question, but have not yet been provided with an answer i could see argumenting for why people are ganking new players in empire. Because CCP eliminated all other forms of piracy. Gatecamping is the only thing realistically left. Please direct your complaints to oveur, who stated yesterday that fixing flagging (and by association, giving ransom/belt piracy any sort of inticement over gateganking) is so far down on their list of priorities that I'm going to be paying for EVE with a social security check before it happens. Im sorry, but what diffenrence is there to gate camp in empire vs entry point to 0,0 from empire? Lemme answar that, NONE. Exept that u just might run into to someone actually fighting back, possibly, just possibly, they kill u instead. Conclusion: People killing innocent people in empire must be very bad in pvp'ing since they rather kill someone that doesnt fight back, rather than getting a real fight.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Horsefly Have you people that complain about Gate ganking ever thought that maybe the pirates are claiming the system/systems you are jumping into. Maybe they just want to have an area they dont have to worry about people jumping into and taking what they persive as there space. For instance in the empire region next to Great Wildlands, you will find pirates located in the highway systems. They are sort of claiming the systems to profit from them. i.e. Killing the Transport ships that run through there with the 0.0 loot and such. It is easier to gank them where they feel they can let there guard down then in 0.0 where the guard is up. But more to your point not all pirates are lacking in the balls department. The ones I know actually go looking for a fight in empire, because they have done the 0.0 thing with alliances and wish to avoid the politics plus blob warefare that it inevitably becomes. Even if when we do go on excurtions to 0.0 to do a "kill everything in site" mission it turns into a blobfest in about 30 mins or they log off if you have a strong enough force and catch them by surprise. Consiquently in empire noone seems to use the map (since its gonna change less people will use the map after it) and you can usually kill off mining barges or other ships and get either strip miners or expander moduals, that you sell on the market. From what the people say about us is what they see the 90 seconds there alive for. And as a side not most dont camp the gates all day. We know your comming about 3-4 jumps before you get there. Just my 2 cents, and I'll probibly edit this later too. Again, good points. But, how can u expect to claim ie. already gallente space? Why dont u go to 0,0 and claim a region/system there? And by leaving 0,0 due to beeing out numbered and instead going to empire ganking noob players is a bit drastic imo.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Ryy Kishin I never see someone cry so much, It is a GameIt is only a Shipyou can get another one. I am also a noob and have been podded a few times at gates. So what it is part of the game I dont complain its fun. If you dont like being blown up stay in safe space or dont undock. Other than that take off your diaper and take it like a gamer! Try reading closer mate, im not crying, simply asking "WHY"
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.04.08 17:59:00 - [50] ok, so basicly your complaining because the Pirate did his job and you died. Stay in .5 and up please.
Phearlene	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel ok, so basicly your complaining because the Pirate did his job and you died. Stay in .5 and up please. No.. he's not complaining.. he's pointing out shiite tactics and A S S monkey playstyls.. and YOU sir can eat a d i c k
Ryy Kishin	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:04:00 - [52] [Try reading closer mate, im not crying, simply asking "WHY" Because Pirates can, it is what they do, noob, veteran, i dosent matter who you are its all part of the game. Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse!
MutationZ	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:05:00 - [53] They get a hard on and go "OMG LOOK IM L33T I PWNz0R'd THAT INDY WITH LIEK 6 TORPS ROFL OLOL" That's why. Dont give them the opportunity. Educate others too if u were not asking on your own behalf. If you are not a noob get a couple of mates and fight back. They shoot you because they CAN. Simple as.
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:08:00 - [54] Edited by: Luxille on 08/04/2005 18:09:36 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel ok, so basicly your complaining because the Pirate did his job and you died. Stay in .5 and up please. Fair enough, i am maybe a fool, but theese so called pirates are still pirates wannabee's imo. People with no balls who chooses the easy way out instead of taking up an challange.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:13:00 - [55] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 08/04/2005 18:15:41 Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 08/04/2005 18:13:35 Originally by: Luxille And yet another victim in the empire pirates wannabee squad. What is it with people who sits at gates in empire and ganking innocent people just passing through? What do they actually get out of it??? In my personal view they are nothing but lame noobs who wants to be pirates but lack the balls and/or skills to actually go where people wanna fight. So instead they camp gates in empire and ruin the game for new players who are trying to make their way up in this game. CCP, whats the damn points of sentrys in 0,4 and down? They have 0 effect anyway, so why are they there? Pirates wannabee's, go to 0,0 and pick a fight with someone interested in fighting instead of making new players stop the game. Yeah I don't know if you know this but umm thats what a "Pirate" is. It's someone who "Ganks" the "Trade" routes for isk. Maybe you're confused with people who are "Pirates" and honor good "Pvp". However, that's more or less a "Fake" pirate compared to someone devoted to "Ganking" people at gates, killing for loot, or any other type of Isk. It's of course way more "WEAK" compared to people in 0.0 space. It's not really pvp when a person can't fight back. However, they're not killing you to pvp. They're killing you to get that loot. Haulers in low security space do a lot of trade runs. Most of the best trade runs per region happen from buying "Low" in a "Low Security System" and then moving it to "Sell High". So when these little players come in with there haulers, pick up that 1-20million worth of trade the just bought to move. They get ganked and the loot carried off to sell back for there original price. There for you have stopped the "Trade Route" made 1-20million or more if they had nice cargo expanders. Sorry I had to explain it to you, but obviously you think a "Pirate" is someone who hides in a alliance, has many friends, pvp's really well in 0.0 space, and brags about his bounty. 0.0 has a lot of people in it who claim "Piracy". You would have to join a good corp of many players as well some form of agreement on who not to attack mostly. 0.0 Pirates/pvpers the Evil guys have less payouts due to large numbers. Sorry but umm no.. Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Luxille Try reading closer mate, im not crying, simply asking "WHY" WHY? Because there is no piracy in low security but gate ganking. Noone wants to mine in .4 to 1. for obvious reasons. There are no ores worth it at all to mine in those systems for the risk. So pirates are forced to blow up people at the gates that are passing through. Maybe what CCP needs to do is lower the reason for the reasoning to stay up in .5 and above and nerf the scordite mining there. As it stands now, Trit and Pyrite is where it is at for the . There is no other ore out there like scordite and it is very easy to get in .5 and above. I'd like to see the abudance of said ore nerfed to hell and back again and a ore introduced to the game that gives 3x the return that scordite gives for .4 and below space.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:22:00 - [57] Moaners for the loose. I shoot people and I do it with pride. _________________
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:25:00 - [58] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 08/04/2005 18:27:58 Oh oh and one more thing! You don't have to go into 0.4-0.1 security. There are plenty of good trades within high security space. There are other routes to take that don't go through 0.4-0.1 security. You did this to your self, for wanting to take the shortcut. So CCP has given you many MANY options to avoid this. You do have the right to go into that system as they have the right to kill you. CCP shouldn't "Nerf" any of this because you died. You have plenty of options to take to better your chances vs the "Pirates" them selves. - Going Around - Only do trades in empire (Not you but others who do trade) - Hire a "Merc Corp" to escort you (TomB see, more Merc corps being used!) - Get your friends to come with you. With all of that you should be able to avoid death and or kill the "Pirates". On the hand of the "Pirates" they have to tank "Sentry Guns" while taking damage from you and whoever in this system. You have the advantage so ******* use it. Stop complaining if you don't take the time to "Think" or ask "Questions". I wont down you if you ask. I don't think anyone else will either. It's a game and it's fun from all sides of trade. I know you're asking but it's like you don't understand that it's how they make isk. That's what they do. Accept it... Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Luxille	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:42:00 - [59] Ok, 1 more try. Im simply asking why they do it. Sure, once in a while they get good loot, but c'mon, fight people your own size. Yet there has been no argument to why the loot in 0,0 arent just as good as the one in empire. But i guess u cant handle that pepole actually fights back at ya. And u my friend, the guy from mega corp. Must say, very good point u came with there It is funny though, everytime one makes a thread about some peoples way of playing, u will eventually get flodded with posts like "u are a whinner, u are a nooblar etc" All in all i take that as they really have no excuse for doing it (Not that they need one). Was simply asking why
Horsefly	Posted - 2005.04.08 18:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Luxille Again, good points. But, how can u expect to claim ie. already gallente space? Why dont u go to 0,0 and claim a region/system there? And by leaving 0,0 due to beeing out numbered and instead going to empire ganking noob players is a bit drastic imo. Well basically pirates typically dont pay attention to the roleplaying aspect. i.e. Just because it says gallente space doesnt mean there gonna take you out for killing people in it. So when I refered to claim I simply meant for the player base real people. Most 0.0 space is claimed thats why we dont claim 0.0. In order to claim something you have to defend it. In a game such as eve you cannont defend an area forever. No alliance is any exception. If a strong enough player base exists then you will fall. The balance for alliances are that there is not one alliance that is uber strong and will never fall. Too many people from too broad of lifestyles. Just wont last forever. Case in point Curse Alliance. Once arguably the strongest alliance ever. Started to fall apart due to internal conflics. That is not to say the multiple attacks it recieved didnt help the situation along. So unless you have a super strong force that is tight knit and in a space noone seems to want to claim you will fall at somepoint, or you leadership will evolve. 0.0 - 0.4 is pirate land. Just the way it is. Either have a strong corp that will go after a particular pirate corp or just accept the risk of going into there percived systems. Hopefully this will help you figure out why you have been blown up. Like some others have stated its a game bub if you dont like the way we operate maybe you should stop us.

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