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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
59
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:12:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears
Time to anchor the tower.  Red Maiden: People actually play with WiS off? Why? It's really well done, and adds an excellent layer of immersion in the game. Plus, my character's ass is out of this world and I like looking at it. |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:07:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot. Tell that to all the mercs who use their KB as a reference tool. Are they incapable of using individual pilot API keys and/or API keys for the alt corps to pull the numbers onto their boards? |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:19:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Wardec Corp removes money from wallet division, and CONCORD invalidates war for non payment in a week. Step 9.) DecShield tears
FTFY "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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NickyYo
StarHug
250
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:31:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears
Expect my application shortley :) .. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1886
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:37:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot. Tell that to all the mercs who use their KB as a reference tool.
I never could understand that.
I don't give a flying **** about a merc corps KB efficiency. I care about results.
So what if they lose ten ships to one as long as they do what I'm paying them for?
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
401
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:44:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Wardec Corp removes money from wallet division, and CONCORD invalidates war for non payment in a week. Step 9.) DecShield tears FTFY EDIT: Also you have to pay to keep the tower fueled, so you are losing money for a "joke" tower. False. If a war is set to mutual by the defender then it costs no isk to the aggressor, therefore they cannot "not pay", and are therefore trapped forever.
The tower shields would only be up while wars were active against them (1 week periods of time) for each trap Burn Highsec Griefers |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
888
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:00:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot. Tell that to all the mercs who use their KB as a reference tool.
He never said there weren't a lot of idiots. But I do, far too many and the sad part is they can't even figure out they're idiots, ever.
brb |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
233
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:08:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot. Tell that to all the mercs who use their KB as a reference tool. He never said there weren't a lot of idiots. But I do, far too many and the sad part is they can't even figure out they're idiots, ever.
This is quickly approaching the "those who won't use any means necessary are idiots" argument which will stalemate in each group name calling. I think this aspect of the discussion is probably done.
Back on the Dec Shield Traps topic, create more bait traps people! I was considering how an alliance can pull all of the targets, both those in dec shield and those stuck at war with it. Would actually be rather simple I think. |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:31:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:False. If a war is set to mutual by the defender then it costs no isk to the aggressor, therefore they cannot "not pay", and are therefore trapped forever. Well thats just stupidly [email protected] wait, I forgot it's CCP. 
The Zerg Overmind wrote:The tower shields would only be up while wars were active against them (1 week periods of time) for each trap Yea, and the idiot that puts up the tower still has to pay for the fuel. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:40:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:False. If a war is set to mutual by the defender then it costs no isk to the aggressor, therefore they cannot "not pay", and are therefore trapped forever. Well thats just stupidly [email protected] wait, I forgot it's CCP.  The Zerg Overmind wrote:The tower shields would only be up while wars were active against them (1 week periods of time) for each trap Yea, and the idiot that puts up the tower still has to pay for the fuel.
actualy ya can yust unanchor the tower as soon ya recieve the wardec, only feul ya need is for onlining the tower to unanchor the labs |

Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
945
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Posted - 2012.11.05 19:49:00 -
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Im really liking this idea.
But instead of Dec shield
I get a corp/alliance to dec me then i drop corp and have a pvp alt join and make the war mutial. I then have my own private shoot em up that i can use whenever im bored and they can do nothing about it but disband the corp.alliance.
I always log in my pvp alt when im using my main and then one day i start killing for a bit and then i stop and this goes on forever. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1382
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:08:00 -
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1) Getting into a war w/ Dec Shield isn't going to dissuade any PvPers I know from attacking. They would welcome it. Don't think getting a mutual war is going to be a turn-off.
2) You can't just "drop alliance" and think that's that. You're going to have to abandon your corp because when Dec Shield sets the war to mutual, your corp will have it's war set to mutual. Now you'll need to negotiate the end of the war with the initial aggressor (an unlikely prospect unless they are good enough to ransom you) or abandon your corp.
I think a mousetrap that also kills your pets and children is a poorly designed mousetrap. Maybe burning down your house to stop a thief is a better metaphor... not sure. What I'm trying to say is this doesn't sound like a very good trap.
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Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:31:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.
Bold for emphasis.. 0.0 is not everything!@!!! :)
I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you. |

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
160
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Posted - 2012.11.05 20:39:00 -
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What's the point of this trap? They'll just fly an ibis to a tower first, every time they want to mess with it. |

MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
586
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:20:00 -
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actually you can just un-anchor the tower as soon you receive the wardec, only fuel you need is for on-lining the tower to un-anchor the labs
Eh, leave the tower up if they are around. If they want to waste time popping an empty tower let them, just pull down the labs. If they are watching right after you log in they might fly in and bump you off the tower right before it un-anchors and scoop it up. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
406
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:52:00 -
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Ya, you could take the tower down, but if they're watching then it's possible for them to steal it the second it comes unanchored. I know, I've done that countless times to people in highsec. Stolen many faction larges. Turning the tower online and onlining a billion hardeners they'd be crazy to attack. Why would anyone waste hours attacking an empty tower with a billion hardeners?
Gogela wrote:You're going to have to abandon your corp because when Dec Shield sets the war to mutual, your corp will have it's war set to mutual. Now you'll need to negotiate the end of the war with the initial aggressor (an unlikely prospect unless they are good enough to ransom you) or abandon your corp. Corps that leave Dec Shield receive copies of all our current mutual incoming wars. They have to manually go through and toggle each war to unmutual. And then after up to a week the wars will all have dropped off. They have to be sure to use the drop down menu on the right though. The right click UI feature doesn't work:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1210/togglingUnmutual.jpg Burn Highsec Griefers |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1382
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Posted - 2012.11.06 01:50:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Gogela wrote:You're going to have to abandon your corp because when Dec Shield sets the war to mutual, your corp will have it's war set to mutual. Now you'll need to negotiate the end of the war with the initial aggressor (an unlikely prospect unless they are good enough to ransom you) or abandon your corp. Corps that leave Dec Shield receive copies of all our current mutual incoming wars. They have to manually go through and toggle each war to unmutual. And then after up to a week the wars will all have dropped off. They have to be sure to use the drop down menu on the right though. The right click UI feature doesn't work: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1210/togglingUnmutual.jpg Thanks for the image link. So if you click the "cancel mutual" button, does that mean the aggressor has to start paying the war bill again? I thought once it was mutual that was the end of it, and there wouldn't be anymore war bill.
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
406
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Posted - 2012.11.06 01:53:00 -
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Gogela wrote: Thanks for the image link. So if you click the "cancel mutual" button, does that mean the aggressor has to start paying the war bill again? I thought once it was mutual that was the end of it, and there wouldn't be anymore war bill.
The "Cancel Mutual" button doesn't work. Have to use the method highlighted in green. Green = good, red = bad, lol. But yes, it means the aggressor has to start paying for the war again Burn Highsec Griefers |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
447
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Posted - 2012.11.06 02:07:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:Step 8.) Tears
The only tears I've seen so far are yours :\.
I get it. There's a mechanic that you really really really really don't like. And you're trying your best to find ways to exploit it so CCP changes the game to something more to your liking. But really, how much different are you from the so-called 'carebears' at this point?
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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
406
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Posted - 2012.11.06 02:13:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Step 8.) Tears The only tears I've seen so far are yours :\. I get it. There's a mechanic that you really really really really don't like. And you're trying your best to find ways to exploit it so CCP changes the game to something more to your liking. But really, how much different are you from the so-called 'carebears' at this point? Are you... are you following me from thread to thread? Aren't you tired of being wrong yet? Or do you want more people to know it first? Burn Highsec Griefers |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
447
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:48:00 -
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No. I'm not. The problem is your cyring and whining is kind of hard to ignore. You keep posting the same threads over and over again crying for help, trying to figure out ways to exploit and game the system to have CCP change it because you refuse to adapt.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:54:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:Step 8.) Tears The only tears I've seen so far are yours :\. I get it. There's a mechanic that you really really really really don't like. And you're trying your best to find ways to exploit it so CCP changes the game to something more to your liking. But really, how much different are you from the so-called 'carebears' at this point? Are you... are you following me from thread to thread? Aren't you tired of being wrong yet? Or do you want more people to know it first? Keep up the good work.
I now nickname you - DEC TRAP Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
236
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:22:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:No. I'm not. The problem is your cyring and whining is kind of hard to ignore. You keep posting the same threads over and over again crying for help, trying to figure out ways to exploit and game the system to have CCP change it because you refuse to adapt.
It's funny because you're dumb and missing the point entirely. Also, you clearly never had "crying" and "whining" in your vocabulary list in elementary school. Do you spell lose as loose as well?
Also, your understanding of the word adapt is horrid. What do you think he's doing? He's adapting to the war dec mechanics to create the current outcome. |
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