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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
381
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:31:00 -
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We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies:
Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears Burn Highsec Griefers |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:33:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears
If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast. |

EVIL SQUISHY
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:34:00 -
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hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2633
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:38:00 -
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EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous.
No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
387
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:43:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast. my computer hung loading dec shield's war history |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:49:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.
Because that will be the straw that makes the whole thing ridiculous.
lol.
+1 For creativity Zerg 
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:54:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast. Because that will be the straw that makes the whole thing ridiculous. lol. +1 For creativity Zerg 
I meant the trapping in various way not only this one. If people use this one and find other way to make people bite on with a war dec, the dec shield will grow even faster than it does now. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1044
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Posted - 2012.11.05 03:55:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears You should start a bond like James did. Tears from your corp deserve to be rewarded. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

EVIL SQUISHY
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:03:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS.
Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears
...pretty sure he's NOT talking about highsec, and I'm pretty sure YOU don't speak for everyone in null. |

Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
381
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:05:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears If people start doing this, the whole thing will get ridiculous real fast.
It's already getting ridiculous real fast. The plus side, is the escalation to ridiculous usually means something will be done about it shortly after. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2634
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:09:00 -
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EVIL SQUISHY wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS. From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about...
NO ONE WILL ******* WARDEC TO KILL A TOWER IN NULL.
EVER.
Were you dropped on your head? There is literally no reason to besides warning people "omg were gonna like totally attack you" and get them to laugh at you while accomplishing nothing but dumping ISK.
If you want to shoot a tower in low or null, you go to the tower and start shooting. If you want to steal modules from an offline tower, you just pick them up. That's it. The OP is very freaking obviously talking about highsec tower bait. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
188
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:12:00 -
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EVIL SQUISHY wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS. From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about... You seem to have no clue what is going on here. Please take a look at the bright yellow link in the first sentence of the OP. |

Ryhss
Clandestine Management Group
28
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:32:00 -
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Don't join Dec Shield, it's a scam to permanently war dec your corp. |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:48:00 -
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The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears Edited from the aggressor's viewpoint: 1. Start a one man corp 2. start another 3. start another 4. have corp 1 dec target 1 5. have corp 2 dec target 2 6. have corp 3 dec target 3 7. have your takedown team join corp 1, don't use roles. 8. corp hop your takedown team from corp to corp. 9. If a corp gets drawn into Dec Shield, walk away, just like you were going to anyway, when you built the 3 corps 10. Problem Solved
edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does. |

Aggressive Nutmeg
265
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:51:00 -
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Oh what a desperately broken system. You really notice it when you come back after being away for a while.
Just fix this goddam game. Somebody! Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |

The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal Dec Shield
389
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:54:00 -
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Bob Petit wrote:The Zerg Overmind wrote:We're always looking for new wars. Now with new war baiting strategies: Step 1.) Build a 1 man corp that has tower anchoring rights in empire Step 2.) Place a tower in a highly desired system Step 3.) Anchor many labs and hardeners at the tower Step 4.) Turn the tower offline Step 5.) Wait to be wardecced by people wanting to steal the labs Step 6.) Turn on force field and hardeners, unanchor and scoop labs, apply to join Dec Shield Step 7.) Leave Dec Shield, wait for wars to cool off, repeat process Step 8.) Tears Edited from the aggressor's viewpoint: 1. Start a one man corp 2. start another 3. start another 4. have corp 1 dec target 1 5. have corp 2 dec target 2 6. have corp 3 dec target 3 7. have your takedown team join corp 1, don't use roles. 8. corp hop your takedown team from corp to corp. 9. If a corp gets drawn into Dec Shield, walk away, just like you were going to anyway, when you built the 3 corps 10. Problem Solved This is exactly what's been happening. Most wardecs these days are between trivial entities, 1-3 man corps that were formed within the last week wardeccing people. I try to avoid trapping these because they're worthless and just disband.
Ryhss wrote:Don't join Dec Shield, it's a scam to permanently war dec your corp. Point to a single corp that has been permanently trapped due to joining Dec Shield. It should be very easy to prove this if it were remotely true
Burn Highsec Griefers |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:55:00 -
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i edited a bit while you were replying lol |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:59:00 -
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Bob Petit wrote:edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does.
I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:00:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I meant the trapping in various way not only this one. If people use this one and find other way to make people bite on with a war dec, the dec shield will grow even faster than it does now.
I think that is the point. Did you just troll me by stating the obvious? |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:05:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does. I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that. Which is precisely why every single alliance and corp with something at stake isn't going to war dec under that corp name. If necessary they'll create an alt corp and conduct the war through that entity. Even assuming they bother with it, because the only application is in high sec. There's no need to do it with the main corp. You'll still get the KMs no matter what. But there won't be any KMs, because war in high sec is pointless unless the defender is a willing participant. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:15:00 -
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Bob Petit wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does. I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that. Which is precisely why every single alliance and corp with something at stake isn't going to war dec under that corp name. If necessary they'll create an alt corp and conduct the war through that entity. Even assuming they bother with it, because the only application is in high sec. There's no need to do it with the main corp. You'll still get the KMs no matter what. But there won't be any KMs, because war in high sec is pointless unless the defender is a willing participant.
If it's pointless because the defenders have to play for it to even bother, why would people care to create separate war deccing entities in this situation? As a member of an alliance that participates in a fair number of high sec wars, the only part about dec shield that is irritating is the massive number of notifications and setting up standings.
While I'm sure certain groups will go through the trouble of "create 8 war deccing corps and scrap them as they get dec shielded," I think more of them will just keep trucking along because they simply dgaf. |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
0
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:32:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:If it's pointless because the defenders have to play for it to even bother, why would people care to create separate war deccing entities in this situation? As a member of an alliance that participates in a fair number of high sec wars, the only part about dec shield that is irritating is the massive number of notifications and setting up standings. I mean, it's pointless to wardec anyone unless the person you're wardeccing is either: a willing participant; someone who, for whatever reason, can't give up his corp name; someone who, for whatever reason, is unwilling to drop corp; someone who has a POS or other asset that can't be taken down before the war's start. Anyone who does wardec, for whatever reason, has an easy out if they get caught up in Dec Shield. It's pointless in both directions.
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:While I'm sure certain groups will go through the trouble of "create 8 war deccing corps and scrap them as they get dec shielded," I think more of them will just keep trucking along because they simply dgaf. The last part sounds like you're following up on something, but I don't know what it is. The point of creating multiple dec corps is to avoid any sort of "trap." I was responding to the initial post and demonstrating that it wasn't really a trap at all, unless you meet the previously mentioned conditions. If you get caught up in this and you don't give a ****, well, great. I don't know where you're going with that, but it sure sounds like you're saying what I'm saying, this has become pointless.
As long as everyone avoids deccing (no matter how pointless it is to do so) other corps with a corp they value, there's no need to worry about getting trapped. If you dec and don't give a ****, there's no need to worry about getting trapped. If you're a corp getting decced and you don't want to be, you have the exact same options, unless you meet those same previously defined conditions.
Now that I've thought about it a little more, I suspect this is the core of their reasoning on the subject and why they haven't stepped in. In high sec, if you don't want to fight, you don't have to unless someone suicides you. Everywhere else, it doesn't matter; you don't need a dec. It appears they snuck a voluntary PvP flag into high sec. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
229
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:51:00 -
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Essentially you're saying they can avoid the "trap" if they really wanted to, and thus it's pointless and I'm saying most of the real war dec corps won't avoid it because they won't care, and it's practically pointless. Not quite two sides of the same coin but essentially the same point.
My follow up was a broad challenge to the idea that most groups would create mini deccing entities because I misunderstood it as a reference not of "this is what they can do" but rather as "this is what everyone will do."
And, somehow, an actual discussion takes place in GD. |

usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:53:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:EVIL SQUISHY wrote:hows about....people stop blueing the hell out of null sec and fight each other?
Why are complex moves this needed just to get wars going???
Ridiculous. No one in nullsec gives a rat's ass about Dec Shield and highsec wardecs. Stop assuming everything has to do with 0.0, FFS. From what I hear, things that go on in Highsec are exactly what nullers worry about... NO ONE WILL ******* WARDEC TO KILL ANYTHING IN NULL. EVER. Were you dropped on your head? There is literally no reason to besides warning people "omg were gonna like totally attack you" and get them to laugh at you while accomplishing nothing but dumping ISK. If you want to shoot a tower in low or null, you go to the tower and start shooting. If you want to steal modules from an offline tower, you just pick them up. That's it. The OP is very freaking obviously talking about highsec tower bait.
I fixed your post, cause I thought it would help the bad people. |

OT Smithers
BLOMI
337
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Posted - 2012.11.05 06:58:00 -
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Bob Petit wrote:Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Bob Petit wrote:edit: You've pretty much reached the limit of your experiment. The only people who are going to get trapped are those that are attached to their corp names. Therefore, no one will dec with a corp whose name they value. Therefore, your strategy becomes stalled. Ironically, you've proven that, despite the flawed mechanic, corporations can easily avoid this problem. In effect, you've solved the problem through education. It now seems unlikely that your experiment will bear the fruit you hope it does. I think you misjudge the value people place on their corporate / alliance KBs. Some space fairing people put a lot of their interseller kredits into making those look good. Plus domain space and all that. Which is precisely why every single alliance and corp with something at stake isn't going to war dec under that corp name. If necessary they'll create an alt corp and conduct the war through that entity. Even assuming they bother with it, because the only application is in high sec. There's no need to do it with the main corp. You'll still get the KMs no matter what. But there won't be any KMs, because war in high sec is pointless unless the defender is a willing participant.
But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2012.11.05 09:02:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
230
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:45:00 -
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All you read was "looking for new wars" didn't you? You clearly didn't read the OP and actually have no idea what the topic is about. |

Bob Petit
Content Providing
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:49:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot. |

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
230
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:51:00 -
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Bob Petit wrote:OT Smithers wrote:But they won't go on that parent corporation's killboard. And for some folks that's a big deal.
In any case, your work-around is just that, and the fact that it is now necessary to create a special secondary corporation to dec someone shows how broken the system actually is. Anyone who values "branded" killboard results over tactical flexibility is an idiot.
Tell that to all the mercs who use their KB as a reference tool. |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
165
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:08:00 -
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