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Algazarra
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Posted - 2005.04.10 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Algazarra on 10/04/2005 10:54:51
We need a reliable kill-board.
Being a new player I found the info on kill boards very interesting, full of useful stuff in particular in on set ups and fleets constitution.
I ask the comunity to help setting rules for the CCP kill board.
The punnishment.
The production of fake kill-mails is becoming a problem that is destroying the purpose of the existing kill boards.
For instance.
Maik002 has admitted posting fake kill-mails on www.eve-kills.com , a respected site that can be used with the in-game browser.
If you have any troubles with the Spanish use this to translate
Where have you the translation, but please re check it.
 1st post Algazarra say:
Maik is making fake concord kill mails, My hero!
http://www.eve-kills.com/?player=Maik002 My hero!
Maik you can do great concord kill mails for us . Like my ibis taking the control of all the federation xetic? Please make us famous...
2nd post Maik002 Replied:
Clown. Bartolo had a Single Raven. Your second kill mail is false. For that reason I added a Raven to our favour.
Leave us with our businesses and you go to annoy to some other or to conquer Xetic with a Ibis if you want.
3rd post Algazarra said:
To have several killmails, is an error of this game.
To falsify a kill mail is a more elaborated process.
But we understand your reasons.
Algazarra
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.04.10 12:12:00 -
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Well, a lot of people make up kill mails. Unfortunately a kill-board is one of the last things on CCP's agenda.
However they can provide a smaller tool to basically just check if a kill mail is valid. They wont need a database or anything fancy.
e.g:
Eve-kills.com gets Maiko's kill of Algazarra's Raven. Eve-kills.com then checks (or asks) a CCP server to validate this. If its all good then its inserted.
Else throw out an error.
Just a humble solution from a humble killboard coder.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.04.10 12:19:00 -
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I think ccp should take over/buyout eve-kills and look after the site in respect for ayal. ^^
w00t!
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.10 12:25:00 -
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I don't like killboards that much personally. It shifts the focus of this game on wrong aspects.
The fact that people fake killmails or don't post their own is a simple example how this is just wrong.
We don't need just another meaningless ladder like the bountylist for example.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.04.10 12:47:00 -
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The best and most reliable killboard will always be when CCP sets one up. Everything will be there, nothing is withheld, everyone wins. Except for the people who die a lot, like yours truly. :p
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Stroke
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Posted - 2005.04.10 12:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Tobiaz
I don't like killboards that much personally. It shifts the focus of this game on wrong aspects.
Spot on. I've seen a number of very skilled combat pilots fit full warp core stabs simply because they wish to keep their place on these bogus killboards. Especially merc corps.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.04.10 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stroke
Originally by: Tobiaz
I don't like killboards that much personally. It shifts the focus of this game on wrong aspects.
Spot on. I've seen a number of very skilled combat pilots fit full warp core stabs simply because they wish to keep their place on these bogus killboards. Especially merc corps.
Maybe cos they just dont wanna die to say 4v1? 
w00t!
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.04.10 15:40:00 -
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How about a nice line of:
EVE is not a CS with tops and other stuff?
Chill out and kill for fun, not for tops
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Stolishnaya
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Posted - 2005.04.10 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Stolishnaya on 10/04/2005 21:08:24
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Maik002
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Posted - 2005.04.10 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Maik002 on 10/04/2005 21:11:27
Edited by: Maik002 on 10/04/2005 21:10:01
Worst thing is name yourself as a "merc" while declaring war to a carebear corp, geting it out of its mining zone with better prepared pilots, ships and circustances, attacking its miners without any reason but isk, asking for a ramson, making a double deal to sell the name of his customer, taking the isk and still sending messages to our emails and forums, posting a false kill-mail and saying i am the one posting it when i do it to balance because he do it first, post using an alt and many other things...
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.10 21:41:00 -
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It is one thing for you board coders to disrespect characters and player in character or ingame. Smack seems to be a part of the appeal. But since we are all supposed to be adults here, it would be appreciated if you would respect the rights of the community at large.
Not everyone is comfortable with the idea of killboards. In private, no-one minds. The real trouble with a site like EVE-Kills.com is that it is completely open to the public. It lists targets names without consulting them, and names of non-members. This gives the false image that those non-members somehow approve of your actions and wish to be involved with your project outside of the game.
In addition, many individuals do not favor the direction they are attempting to take the game. If CCP were to field a killboard themselves for killspam, then I would have no argument as I subscribe to the service myself.
Many of those people will never participate in your site.
The respectful thing to do would be to make Eve-kills visible only to members, or for private killboards, make them only available to prospective clients in the case of mercenary corporations. Alternatively, non-members might only see individuals listed as anonymous members of corporations. Some of those options may be hard, but they would be the classy, stand-up thing to do.
Canvassing information about other people and then putting it on display is generally a poorly considered idea. Imagine if corporations started divulging your credit score to anyone who asked, or the government made your tax returns readily available from a website, or your health provider made your medical history available to insurance corporations and your blood type available to the mob. If EVE is a political society, then it also should incorporate some limited sense of privacy even despite these OOG concerns. People use their callsigns in other environments, not necessarilly games. Some people make painstaking efforts to shape their identity as a private possession, or perhaps even a work of dynamic or social art.
If CCP is not interested in creating a killboard themselves, then they should be somewhat concerned about their clients even if they are loathe to entangle themselves. Characters and killmails are the property of CCP, hence they can declare their proper use or not via the terms of service agreement. In that way, though brusque, their role is as least complicated as possible.
EVE-Kills may be a respected site, but that may only be garnered as the position of those who do participate. Wittgensteinian principles and all that ya know.
Please consider doing the right thing.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.10 22:05:00 -
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If they would ever make official kill board with rankings and points it would promote wrong type pvp in my opinion. Type of pvp where players attack others without any reason more than we already have, just because they wanted to increase their 'points'. EVE isnt supposed to be CS in space (atleast I hope it isnt). Kill-mails are good as they are now as it allow small corp can keep track on their wars, but without any sort of ranking/public board system.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.10 22:27:00 -
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I don't play EVE to 'keep score' when I PvP.
If I wanted a PvP scoreboard I'd go play UT, Quake, CS ar CoD as I do at other times.
It's an RPG - not an e-peen measuring contest - so I hope CCP don't waste any resources on a kill board.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.11 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 11/04/2005 07:23:34
Systems like eve-kills are borked anyway. If you have 10 people kill 1 BS everyone gets the points. So you get situations where gank squads have hugely inflated points compared to people who fight in small groups or solo (Who can have far more ship kills but be way behind in points).
As far as I am concerned eve-kills is just pandering to the fleet gankers by not making a system that divides kill points between participants (kill mails are arranged with highest damage dealer at the top).
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Sennju Zensu
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Posted - 2005.04.11 07:23:00 -
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a kill board like eve-kills is not a good idea guys, with that you can know all member of a corp, the ship they use in pvp, and the fitting used when they loose a ship :p
or just make a simple killboard without puting destroyed item and all corp members! 
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H Zub
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Posted - 2005.04.11 07:57:00 -
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I'm all in for an official eve killboard. And who cares if people can see corp members and what ship I fly. I dont.
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Nelson Vandermark
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Posted - 2005.04.11 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 11/04/2005 09:23:10
killboards are stupid plain & simple, I don't pay my 20$ a month to focus my gamming around a stats page, enither should you guys :P
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.04.11 09:44:00 -
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To sum up the thoughts of those against killboards:
Killboards are for insecure idiots with small *****es.
This isnt CS or UT, or Q3...if you want it to become one, please go and kill yourself.
May be a bit harsh, but, sadly, the truth.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.11 10:12:00 -
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Killboards are stupid. It's to easy to setup some counter on characters info for how many ships they destroyed. CCP could add this in a second of programming. Yet they don't because people would abuse it. Just like people abuse the bounty system. Bragging about how many ships is stupid and pointless. Stop trying to make the game about how many you can kill, rather make it about how well you kill quietly.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:18:00 -
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Im sorry but im and old Tradewars 2002 Fan and the best thing about that game that eve doesnt have is a killboard. Politically whop killed who makes the best news , who blew up who's stuff, who declared war on who.
Seriously the amount of content in this game is lacking without intrigue. CCP does what 1-2 events a year, the rest of the intrique is player generated, this alliance agianst that one and such.
I feel a killboard or daily news service would only enhance this game not hinder its progression.
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.12 06:24:00 -
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Killboards are killing this game. We need LESS of those, not more! And those stupid killboard signatures.. Give me a break. Go play CS if you want to have your FPS-fix (Frags per second). If you do pvp and pirate, good. If you do it for killboard please change game k?
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Lilane
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Posted - 2005.04.12 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Killboards are killing this game.
+1! I personnaly feel i have no use of a killboard, but further more, i do not want one, because i do noÓt want my ships and fits to be listed on any public places, being available to anyone who could use it against me.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.12 07:46:00 -
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"Personal" killboards (ie stating who killed who) I don't like at all, and I agree it focus on the wrong aspects of killing (qty over quality & motive)
But I would really like to see the "ships" killboards (how many ships of a certain type destroyed per day, arranged by region... maybe throw in other data like # of ship A that killed ship B, that would also be cool... of course gangs makes that hard to determine)
I loved from day one the amount of data available for the EVE market. Statistics about ship "destroyage ratio" arranged by regions would be cool for market analysis & strategies.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.12 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Im sorry but im and old Tradewars 2002 Fan and the best thing about that game that eve doesnt have is a killboard. Politically whop killed who makes the best news , who blew up who's stuff, who declared war on who.
Seriously the amount of content in this game is lacking without intrigue. CCP does what 1-2 events a year, the rest of the intrique is player generated, this alliance agianst that one and such.
I feel a killboard or daily news service would only enhance this game not hinder its progression.
Zandramus
A public killboard cannot be compared to a proper news service.
This killboard will promote killing for nothing more then the killmail so you can boost your standing.
We did have some proper player-run news services like the early Scope and Morkt Drak Weekly, and some more, but every attempt went under because excessive whinage about being biased.
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