I just think that all defensively inclined ships should benefit from the versatility the resist bonuses offer. (Or none should, and the resist bonuses should be replaced with HP bonuses).

Just like Gangname Style said, you completely miss the point of my post.

But ok, so let's have a look at relevant ship usage in medium to large fleets.

Cyclone, Brutix, Myrmidon: Not used, because Hurricane and Harbinger have comparable buffer wither better damage projection, Drake has more buffer and damage projection.
Prophecy: Not used because not enough damage projection and speed.
Ferox: Not used because completely outclassed by Drake (and rails are bad).

Hyperion: Not used because Megathron and Apoc have similar buffer but better damage projection. Abaddon has more buffer and similar damage projection.
Rokh: Not used that much because rails are bad.
Maelstroem: Used because a full rack of arty is just too good. If the tempest had 8 turret slots, the Mael would be just as unloved as the Hyperion.

I know that active tank bonused ships are used in smaller engagements, but the resist bonuses ships can do that just as well, so there is a big imbalance caused by the buffer issue. I know that other factors have an influence on that too (like for the Ferox, Prophecy and Rokh), but that's not the point.

Cyclone, Brutix, Myrmidon: Not used, because Hurricane and Harbinger have comparable buffer wither better damage projection, Drake has more buffer and damage projection.
Prophecy: Not used because not enough damage projection and speed.
Ferox: Not used because completely outclassed by Drake (and rails are bad).

Hyperion: Not used because Megathron and Apoc have similar buffer but better damage projection. Abaddon has more buffer and similar damage projection.
Rokh: Not used that much because rails are bad.
Maelstroem: Used because a full rack of arty is just too good. If the tempest had 8 turret slots, the Mael would be just as unloved as the Hyperion.

Do you think it is perhaps possible that CCP doesn't want all of the defensive bonused ships to be equally good at all forms of tanking?

Also, yes I am talking about ships and not bonuses. We have to take the whole ship into consideration, as well as fits. I mean, triple rep myrms are a thing. Clearly the rep bonus isn't that bad.

Jesus mary and joseph 90% of the people didn't even begin to understand the (very simple) point of the OP before replying

My personal favourites are the people that respond to a balance problem with fluff about how the amarr are blah blah blah and gallente are supposed to xyz because they're space frenchmen or something. Totally pointless to add.

The goddamn Rhodes scholars in this thread can't even understand a basic concept like "resist bonuses are just as good for active tanking as rep bonuses, while also allowing much greater buffer"

And these are the forums that CCP reads for balance ideas. It all makes sense now

EFT is a guideline and anyone with actual experience will tell you those numbers don't always work out the way you want them too. The EHP numbers don't take into account various things like transversal, sig radius and hell, damage type received, it's assuming everything is perfectly setup and rainbow damage which is so far from actual reality I'm having trouble believing that I have to explain this to you.

The OP suggested that those resist bonused ships with local repair mods are so close to the active repair bonused ships despite what actually happens in small/solo scale pvp, aside from the buffer gank fits which, again, is a completely different style.

fleet command ships are always meant to be in large-scale combat.

That's because you can't call 1 aspect of ship or ship bonus imbalanced without looking at the whole picture, which the OP conveniently ignores and you are cheer-leading coupled by the fact that people fly those rep bonused ships over the resist bonused w/ rep.

The different fighting styles of the races are not pointless, it's only pointless to someone who wants to focus in on a single aspect of a massive balancing act because their raw stats from EFT tell them it's imbalanced yet ignore practice. You can be an academic all you want but when practice tells you you're wrong, you can't just tell everyone else they are wrong because look at these numbers I got from EFT!!

EFT is a guideline and anyone with actual experience will tell you those numbers don't always work out the way you want them too. The EHP numbers don't take into account various things like transversal, sig radius and hell, damage type received, it's assuming everything is perfectly setup and rainbow damage which is so far from actual reality I'm having trouble believing that I have to explain this to you.

My idea is

Amarr resist bonus

Gallente hitpoints bonus

caldari resist bonus

minmatar shield boost.

I honestly do not think I can disagree with the op any more.

For the love of all that is good, she is ONLY making a point about resists vs. regen.

This has nothing to do with, "Oh, but Amarr ships are shiny." (OMG, what an insane comment.)

Or, "Minmatar ships kite." So, what, that is not *the point of the article*. Take that to the "I fly a kite" post.

Or, "Gallente ships fight up close". Who cares. Does that change anything to do with the *numbers* shown?

Or, whatever other pet topic you have or pet peeve you have.

The point is PROVEN. Get over it.

I think that you should look at your clothes before you go off to work, look at them closely then decide to put on a pair of socks because, who really cares about the rest of them.

You can't gripe about it all you want but looking at a single aspect of a ship when considering balance is asinine.

But good luck with your I hope CCP comments on this as it's hard to comment on an incomplete analysis.

I think that you should look at your clothes before you go off to work, look at them closely then decide to put on a pair of socks because, who really cares about the rest of them.

You can't gripe about it all you want but looking at a single aspect of a ship when considering balance is asinine.

But good luck with your I hope CCP comments on this as it's hard to comment on an incomplete analysis.

In a mere ~1.5E10 years (or about three times the age of the Earth) you'd achieve Amarr battleship 20, have 100% resists, and be immortal in an Abaddon. It's probably not time well spent as you'll still be too slow to catch anything and have no capacitor to fire your guns if you do.

This argument is silly. Yes, active tanking bonuses are generally weaker and more restrictive than resist bonuses. That's a good thing, though, because it allows for more variety in terms of ship-level balancing. Suppose we have two ships in the same class, A and B, and that we want to give them both tanking bonuses. Let's also suppose that A is significantly better than B in some way that is not directly related to tanking - maybe it has more raw DPS, better DPS projection/application, or is a lot faster and more maneuverable. We can compensate for that advantage by giving it a weaker and more restrictive tanking bonus than B, with the net result that we've got two ships that are on the whole well-balanced against one-another but which have very different strengths and weaknesses, and which accommodate different tactics and playstyles.

The alternative - giving identical tanking bonuses to both ships - would make ship A unambiguously better than B under all circumstances, which would obviously be bad in terms of balance. To rectify that, we'd have to take away whatever advantage A had in terms of firepower or maneuverability, with the effect that A and B effectively become reskinned clones of one-another. Doing so would decrease the overall variety available within the game and the scope for using different styles of combat. In short, it would make the game less interesting.

If you have a problem with the overall viability of specific ships with active tanking bonuses, then by all means complain about that and explain how you think they should be improved. However, it makes no sense at all to base your entire complaint around one bonus being weaker than another given that what matters is ship balance and that bonuses are only one component of what makes different ships good or bad.