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ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 00:05:00 -
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I'm trying to put together a mining barge ganking thing for real newbies to help get them hooked on EvE. Basically I need help in figuring out how many Cormorants would be needed in a gang to take down a retriever?
The fit is 7 light neutron blasters, 1mn AB, 1 warp disruptor/scram, 1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer. I think I might have to downgrade the fit a little bit to accommodate less trained fitting skills.
Yeah, I know you guys like using Thrashers and Catalysts, but I've already got a researched cormy bpo, and I'm in caldari space, so there. Also, I need to limit the fittings to T1 non named modules due to logistics reasons.
We'd preferably be operating in 05-0.6.
Alpha=dps * RoF? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.11.07 00:13:00 -
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It's called EFT. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://bit.ly/RB6X4C ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 00:16:00 -
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Just downloaded it, trying to figure out how it works. |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:01:00 -
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Ok, so if I did it right, with minimal skills, it looks like I've got alpha of 355 and dps of 115.
Assuming a retriever with 12k EHP, I'd need something like 35 cormorant*volleys to finish it off. The rate of fire on these things is 3 seconds.
What's the concord response time in a 0.5? 20 seconds?
So it looks like I'd need a gang of 6 cormorants to pull off a single gang. Is that a reasonable estimate?
I've got to look into command links and such too. |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:07:00 -
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Hmm, I think it can maybe be done with 5... if I changed the fitting a little, I could get 380 alpha / 133 dps, but I'd need to get rid of the afterburner.. |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:15:00 -
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Would target painters help? |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:41:00 -
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ElSuerte Diego wrote:Would target painters help? No. Just set your "keep-at-range" to something close to your guns' optimal, and you won't need any help hitting a barge.
Are you using Navy Antimatter? With the amount of ammo you need for a gank, it will barely add anything to the cost of the fit, maybe another 50k. |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:46:00 -
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Good Point!
I'd just specced regular Antimatter S.
I've got loyalty points to spare, too! |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.07 02:08:00 -
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WIth Caldari Navy Antimatter S, that brings the cormorant*volleys down to 28.
So it's looking at rough estimate to be at most 12M ISK to bring down a retriever. |
Mytzso
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.07 10:19:00 -
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Ganking is bad! You are a bad man! Stop such activities of face repercussions! |
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Lady Ati
Systems High Guard
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:32:00 -
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Mytzso wrote:Ganking is bad! You are a bad man! Stop such activities of face repercussions!
But it's so fun :( |
Anosha de'Cavemann
Tranquility Quality Control
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:00:00 -
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Mytzso wrote:Ganking is bad! You are a bad man! Stop such activities of face repercussions!
Don't you mean Retribution? EvE, it's all about tear managment. |
ElSuerte Diego
Aegis Guard Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2012.11.08 07:54:00 -
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Mytzso wrote:Stop such activities of face repercussions!
You sayin' I'm ugly or sumtin'? |
Seetesh
Celestial Serenity Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:14:00 -
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ElSuerte Diego wrote:Mytzso wrote:Stop such activities of face repercussions! You sayin' I'm ugly or sumtin'?
I think you are beautiful.
But ganking is fun, you won't figure it all out just from EFT, just go out grab a ship and try it. |
Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:19:00 -
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Seetesh wrote:ElSuerte Diego wrote:Mytzso wrote:Stop such activities of face repercussions! You sayin' I'm ugly or sumtin'? I think you are beautiful. But ganking is fun, you won't figure it all out just from EFT, just go out grab a ship and try it.
Get 100 guys in noobships and just try it, if it works, its free ganking
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ElSuerte Diego
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:09:00 -
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Well, I tried solo ganking out with a heavy neutron blaster ferox, since I had the hull lying around. The only targets I could find was a two hulk and an orca afk mining op.
Sadly, I didn't get the kill. I got into the armor before concord showed up. At least I got an idea of concord response time. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:18:00 -
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We did some testing for you yesterday, to see what it takes to take out these evil miners, who aren't nice to our friendly rocks.
http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/kill_detail/3566/ My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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ElSuerte Diego
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 03:03:00 -
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Woah, Thanks!
I sure hope that wasn't a suicide gank! Overkill indeed.
Anyone want to help me test out a cormorant ganking gang? I'll provide the ship and fittings. Evenings Pacific Time is best for me. |
Capt Starfox
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.12 07:06:00 -
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I forget what the dps required to take down a Retriever is.. it can't be that high, although Covetors have less ehp. What dps are you and your friends working with? Almost always Retriever pilots will fit a scanner in the Mid and mining laser upgrades in the lows... and if they're not dumb some tank in the rigs. With all V skills, which most Retriever pilots wont have, ehp will be around 10.9k (That's with two Anti-EM and one Anti-Thermal). Plan to take out a 10.9k Retriever and you'll do fine.
It's been a very long time since I've gone after Retrievers, so I hope this helps. You will need at least two people with a bare minimum of 300 dps to net you a kill in 18.16 seconds, which limits you to 0.5 space. Also, that's factoring in that you are in optimal range and hit for 300 every time. I would bring a third person just in case; but sounds like you have a gang of friends so you should be fine :) |
Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:16:00 -
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Dont bother with retrievers, Hulks are easier to take down, and Mackinaws are easy enough in a 0.5 system with 2-3 of you. Better to get a 200m exhumer than a cheap retriever.
Pro tip: use Catalysts.... |
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