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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:38:00 -
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Bohoba wrote:
^this^
ease of gankagedon has pushed high sec ore up :) go ahead kill more miners lol
Not going to happen anymore. Its too expensive to run an interdiction that would make an impact these days so you can look forwards to a flood of max yeild bots destroying your mineral prices. They have already gutted the ice market. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2150
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:42:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:And this has nothing to do with the posters question. Fact is, 0.0 ore is extremely safe to mine for the blob and extremely safe to move to highsec for production needs.
pretty easy to verify that both null and low have proportionally far greater numbers of mining barge and exhumer losses compared to mining ship losses in highsec
try again |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2036
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:12:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's got nothing to do with pyrite being in nearly limitless demand, and scordite being present pretty much everywhere; ready and available to mine afk with no worries about losing a ship.
Obviously mining scordite in high sec has everything to do with null.
The OP was about the low value of 0.0 ore. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Natsett's right on the money here. I'll refer anyone interested to a previous thread on this matter, particularly my amateur-hour analysis of the mineral basket and the pressures on ore supplies. It is worth noting that all mineral supplies are now done by people who are actively engaged in mining. No longer do you get minerals from blowing up NPCs.
What it boils down to is that Pyerite specifically is required in vast quantities, and securing stocks of that mineral requires vast quantities of Scordite to be mined in order to keep up with supply. There are no other convenient sources of large quantities of Pyerite.
CCP really needs to look at rebalancing ores. Looking at the ore-to-minerals refining chart it appears that simple changes are all that are required, such as removing Nocxium from Pyroxeres refining batches and replacing it with a few hundred Pyerite and a little extra Mexallon. Removing the limitless supply of Nocxium from hisec belts will (nearly instantly) boost null and low industry. Of course, what will actually happen when CCP gets around to rebalancing ores is likely to be a complete shake-up of how the mining activity works.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
598
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:
^this^
ease of gankagedon has pushed high sec ore up :) go ahead kill more miners lol
Not going to happen anymore. Its too expensive to run an interdiction that would make an impact these days so you can look forwards to a flood of max yeild bots destroying your mineral prices. They have already gutted the ice market.
that's why semi afk stripping ore belts in a mackinaw while tabbed out is optimal isk/effort for mining now.
takes about 10 seconds to swap target and lock up more asteroids when you hear "asteroid depleated"
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
694
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:17:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
Yes, thats what Nullsec is like. Glad you see the problem.
Yeah that's how the mechanics work in nullsec. You anchor a TCU and the minute it onlines, a magical laser beam just blows up any neutrals that come into your space. Didn't you know?
Nullsec is "safe" because we make it that way, and we keep it that way. It doesn't happen by magic. It doesn't happen because of an artificial CCP-provided mechanic like concord. It happens by people reporting neutrals, setting up camps at choke points, actively patrolling the space and showing zero tolerance for neutrals, day and night. Frankly we deserve peace and quiet. The proof is, the minute you no longer deserve it, you lose it.
What do the carebears in high sec do to keep themselves "safe"? Most of them don't even bother to check local until they are taking damage... |
pinkdeath Alar
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:00:00 -
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stop asking for nerfs to anything in game the game will do what makes them the most money and i am going to bet
we all know what that is. whats better then money lol not forum posts |
Herr Hammer Draken
155
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:25:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:I ran the numbers and found it to be more profitable to stay in high. That right there is 90% of the problem.
The idea that null should have 1/3 of the players and low 1/3 and high 1/3 is wrong. At least as far as economics of eve work.
I would have to say working as designed by CCP. The reason null is not attractive to more players, economically, is because null already has too many economic players to meet the demands of eve's markets. And all of that moon goo is already occupied. That is where the money is in null.
The only other non economic reason to be in null is for combat that will not hurt high sec standings like FW does.
Combat for the sake of combat is fun but it drains isk. Without a good local source of isk it is hard to make a home in null just for this reason alone. But FW does supply enough isk to support a combat career. That is where the PvP players are going in larger numbers these days.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5073
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:35:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. I did spend some time in 0.0. Yeah... since we'd doc up (or station up) whenever a non-blue was in system... it was pretty safe. This is basically the argument made to me by my friends that are still 0.0.... That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high. I should "come on out". Meh. I don't like the politics or the titan conga lines.
Oh look another player who doesn't live in 0.0 saying that it's "safer than hi-sec". Not Big Surprise.
Ignoring the figures that show that PvP losses per player are something like 2000% higher in 0.0 than they are in hi-sec, if you think it's so much safer, why aren't you already there?
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
5074
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Sentamon wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's got nothing to do with pyrite being in nearly limitless demand, and scordite being present pretty much everywhere; ready and available to mine afk with no worries about losing a ship.
Obviously mining scordite in high sec has everything to do with null.
The OP was about the low value of 0.0 ore. Reading comprehension is your friend. Natsett's right on the money here. I'll refer anyone interested to a previous thread on this matter, particularly my amateur-hour analysis of the mineral basket and the pressures on ore supplies. It is worth noting that all mineral supplies are now done by people who are actively engaged in mining. No longer do you get minerals from blowing up NPCs. What it boils down to is that Pyerite specifically is required in vast quantities, and securing stocks of that mineral requires vast quantities of Scordite to be mined in order to keep up with supply. There are no other convenient sources of large quantities of Pyerite. CCP really needs to look at rebalancing ores. Looking at the ore-to-minerals refining chart it appears that simple changes are all that are required, such as removing Nocxium from Pyroxeres refining batches and replacing it with a few hundred Pyerite and a little extra Mexallon. Removing the limitless supply of Nocxium from hisec belts will (nearly instantly) boost null and low industry. Of course, what will actually happen when CCP gets around to rebalancing ores is likely to be a complete shake-up of how the mining activity works.
Simple solution: buff up Spodumain with low-end minerals so that it's worth ~85% of what Crokite is
Suddently those massive spodroids in the mining anomalies because useful and at least not utterly worthless to mine. Mining becomes popular in 0.0, and low-end minerals get supplied locally. 0.0 Industry becomes slightly less impractical. Tea and medals all round.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
620
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Simple solution: buff up Spodumain with low-end minerals so that it's worth ~85% of what Crokite is
Suddently those massive spodroids in the mining anomalies because useful and at least not utterly worthless to mine. Mining becomes popular in 0.0, and low-end minerals get supplied locally. 0.0 Industry becomes slightly less impractical. Tea and medals all round.
^^This.
My solution was to just make the mining anomalies have the low end minerals in Veld, Scordite etc. But that works.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Herr Hammer Draken
155
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:55:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Simple solution: buff up Spodumain with low-end minerals so that it's worth ~85% of what Crokite is
Suddently those massive spodroids in the mining anomalies because useful and at least not utterly worthless to mine. Mining becomes popular in 0.0, and low-end minerals get supplied locally. 0.0 Industry becomes slightly less impractical. Tea and medals all round. ^^This. My solution was to just make the mining anomalies have the low end minerals in Veld, Scordite etc. But that works.
I think more Veld and Scordite in null is the fix. You had it right the first time. Adding more rares in null does nothing economically if that rare stuff is no longer rare on the markets. That is the problem with nocxium, zydrine, and megacyte.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.09 14:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. I did spend some time in 0.0. Yeah... since we'd doc up (or station up) whenever a non-blue was in system... it was pretty safe. This is basically the argument made to me by my friends that are still 0.0.... That the war on high sec has made 0.0 safer than high. I should "come on out". Meh. I don't like the politics or the titan conga lines. Oh look another player who doesn't live in 0.0 saying that it's "safer than hi-sec". Not Big Surprise. Ignoring the figures that show that PvP losses per player are something like 2000% higher in 0.0 than they are in hi-sec, if you think it's so much safer, why aren't you already there?
Although I wont jump into the argument of null vs. high safety, I will point out that comparing mining barge losses in null vs. high would be more relevant to the discussion of ore prices as opposed the the total ship losses that include all ship types.
Losses per player are much higher in null due to large fleet engagements, there could be other reasons as well but I'm sure the large coalition fleet fights have a pretty big impact on the numbers. I don't think these types of engagements make flying a mining barge in blue space very dangerous. That's not to say that i'm claiming it's safe to fly a mining barge in null either, only that fleet battles generally don't take place in asteroid belts and afaik generally don't involve mining barges on either side.
I'm not sure how to go about pulling numbers for mining barge losses in different security zones, but I'd love to see the numbers if anyone wants to do some digging. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.11.09 14:16:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Sentamon wrote:Prices are low on the Nullsec ore because the risk to mine them is next to zero. Of course the Nullbears will never see this as they hide in their massive alliances. Yes, it has nothing to do with the near limitless safety of high sec and the ability of people to mine endlessly without interuption. Yes, thats what Nullsec is like. Glad you see the problem. Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's got nothing to do with pyrite being in nearly limitless demand, and scordite being present pretty much everywhere; ready and available to mine afk with no worries about losing a ship.
Obviously mining scordite in high sec has everything to do with null.
The OP was about the low value of 0.0 ore. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Funny you should mention reading comprehension Sherlock, maybe you should get a little of your own and look at the name of the person I quoted.
Genius. |
Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
3
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:08:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I think more Veld and Scordite in null is the fix...
Null needs squat! It has near exclusive access to the bulk of Eve's wealth already.
You want Veld? Come and get it. Sheesh. Do null'rs have to be spoon-fed everything?
Oscillate all EVE systems (-1.0-įthrough 1.0, and back) over a ten year period; modified +/- by # of pod kills. Disentrench the older players! Improve game dynamic.
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Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic
Intrepid Crossing
7
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:09:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Arduemont wrote:Malcanis wrote:Simple solution: buff up Spodumain with low-end minerals so that it's worth ~85% of what Crokite is
Suddently those massive spodroids in the mining anomalies because useful and at least not utterly worthless to mine. Mining becomes popular in 0.0, and low-end minerals get supplied locally. 0.0 Industry becomes slightly less impractical. Tea and medals all round. ^^This. My solution was to just make the mining anomalies have the low end minerals in Veld, Scordite etc. But that works. I think more Veld and Scordite in null is the fix.
Null has plenty of low-ends, there are non-Grav belts in case you had forgotten and they have plenty of high mins from what I've seen. The problem is that everyone does production in high because it's so hard to do in null. So if you made null mass production good you'd have people mining low-ends more in null, so at least indy pilots would have a reason to live in null.
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote:Null needs squat! It has near exclusive access to the bulk of Eve's wealth already.
Yes I sure do love all those nanoribbons I get from null sleepers, or LP from null faction warfare. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:24:00 -
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Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3
Scord: 198.33 isk/m3
Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm)
J H H and B: 220+
Crokite: 206.51
Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards.
If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:32:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss.
How does the quantities to refine factor in, or did you just look at what each ore costs per unit?
Even if Pyroxeres sells for less than Ark, if you need several hundred fewer to reprocess woudln't that mean that it's value is actually higher then the number indicates because you get more for less? |
Dar Manic
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss.
I'm not a miner by trade (but I'll take advantage of a WH when needed!!) but are those numbers correct? I can sell some of that stuff (ABC) for much more than that (found some in a WH recently). I'm not calling you out by any means.. if those numbers are correct then I would agree we have a problem somewhere. Just need to make sure we have accurate data before saying there is a problem.
I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-į Thank you. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:45:00 -
[49] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss. How does the quantities to refine factor in, or did you just look at what each ore costs per unit? Even if Pyroxeres sells for less than Ark, if you need several hundred fewer to reprocess woudln't that mean that it's value is actually higher then the number indicates because you get more for less?
The numbers are post refine, isk/m3 of ore, selling at mineral values in Jita.
I mean they still could be better for the null ores, such as most if not all being worht at least 1.5x what high ores are worth, but they are trending upwards and have been for a bit which is good imo. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:54:00 -
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Dar Manic wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss. I'm not a miner by trade (but I'll take advantage of a WH when needed!!) but are those numbers correct? I can sell some of that stuff (ABC) for much more than that (found some in a WH recently). I'm not calling you out by any means.. if those numbers are correct then I would agree we have a problem somewhere. Just need to make sure we have accurate data before saying there is a problem.
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ (< you have to manually input prices for this one)
Prices were all based on jita sell orders, this could be why it is different from what you have been selling ABC for, I'm not sure though since I don't know anything other than that you are acquiring ABC in a WH and can sell it somewhere for more than the listed prices. |
Dar Manic
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.11.09 15:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
Silk daShocka wrote:Dar Manic wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss. I'm not a miner by trade (but I'll take advantage of a WH when needed!!) but are those numbers correct? I can sell some of that stuff (ABC) for much more than that (found some in a WH recently). I'm not calling you out by any means.. if those numbers are correct then I would agree we have a problem somewhere. Just need to make sure we have accurate data before saying there is a problem. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:orehttp://eve.grismar.net/ore/ (< you have to manually input prices for this one) Prices were all based on jita sell orders, this could be why it is different from what you have been selling ABC for, I'm not sure though since I don't know anything other than that you are acquiring ABC in a WH and can sell it somewhere for more than the listed prices.
Then I agree there is something wrong. Could be market shifts, etc. but could be an issue needs some balancing. I'm a 'leave it the f*ck alone' type person but this is indeed interesting atm.
I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-į Thank you. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
122
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
People manipulate markets in real life, so why would it be any different in a game with a market such as EVE? I would think that minerals would be the easiest to do it with as well considering that everyone needs them and there is no miner in EVE that is going to sell trit at 2 when it is going for above 6 in Jita. See high sec isn't what needs to be nerfed, Jita is. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
92
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
Dar Manic wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Dar Manic wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
To the thread OP "The War on High" has had a trivial effect on mineral prices. This should be obvious since things got ridiculous after the drone poo/meta 0 removal. Also your prices seem conservative, last time I checked Scord and Ark were much closer. That was a couple of weeks ago though, so whatever.
Ark: 296.99 isk/m3 Scord: 198.33 isk/m3 Pyroxeres: 203.45 isk/m3 (highest high sec ore atm) J H H and B: 220+ Crokite: 206.51 Mega has gone up quite a bit in a week or so, acutally nocx/zyd/mega have all been trending upwards. If zydrine goes up a bit more to say 950'ish p/u most of the null ores will be in a good place, aside from those that really need to fixed, I'm looking at you spodumain and gneiss. I'm not a miner by trade (but I'll take advantage of a WH when needed!!) but are those numbers correct? I can sell some of that stuff (ABC) for much more than that (found some in a WH recently). I'm not calling you out by any means.. if those numbers are correct then I would agree we have a problem somewhere. Just need to make sure we have accurate data before saying there is a problem. http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:orehttp://eve.grismar.net/ore/ (< you have to manually input prices for this one) Prices were all based on jita sell orders, this could be why it is different from what you have been selling ABC for, I'm not sure though since I don't know anything other than that you are acquiring ABC in a WH and can sell it somewhere for more than the listed prices. Then I agree there is something wrong. Could be market shifts, etc. but could be an issue needs some balancing. I'm a 'leave it the f*ck alone' type person but this is indeed interesting atm.
Well you really do have to look at the numbers over a longer period of time, as well as the volumes to really see if there's a problem. For instance the price of zydrine went up about 20% in 2 days, so 2 days ago these figures I posted would be quite different. I will say however though that for the past 2 months null ores have not been in a very good place price wise. They've only recently been rising to the prices i posted, zydrine was stuck at arond 700-750 for quite some time which has a prettty big impact on some null ores. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
335
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:00:00 -
[54] - Quote
The 20% spike in the last few days is the result of the unstable south. I'd have taken that with a gain of salt myself if someone pointed it out but I watch other things unique to the sout like T2 Current Pumps and they are dried up. As I type this there are 18 available in Jita where 6 months ago there were thousands.
As for the more general discussion, it's a combination of high Sec miner harassment, bot crack downs and what I pointed out several times already. They spent years nerfing high sec to allow the Drone regions to be the mineral hub of the game, then took that hub out and never removed any of the nerfs they did to high sec. High Sec is no longer able to supply all of EVE with the high volume minerals. There aren't enough high volume (high Sec) miners or enough minerals. We would need to be clearing every belt to make up the difference the drone poo made and it's just not going to happen. |
Dar Manic
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Pretty much all of this proves my stance: LITFA... leave it the f*ck alone. Too many people screaming for too many changes to problems which probably don't exist. There are no scalpels to fix Eve, only hatchets. So many unintended changes occur too often. LITFA. Hands off, laissez faire might work wonders.
(these fluctuations maybe perfectly ok in a player driven economy.. we got ourselves into this mess and we can get our way out)
I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-į Thank you. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2156
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:45:00 -
[56] - Quote
why, because some npc corp posters proved not to be an authority on risk-reward balance between regions, the game shouldn't be balanced? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
898
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Posted - 2012.11.09 17:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
Nerf Jita, leave minerals alone.
The problem you'll solve today for your important internet virtual mineral market trading will bring another tomorrow for your still internet virtual market trading.
The problem is not minerals.
The problem is not miners.
The problem is trading.
Buff trading, nerf miners?
lol
brb |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:00:00 -
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Bohoba
Moon In Scorpio
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:
^this^
ease of gankagedon has pushed high sec ore up :) go ahead kill more miners lol
Not going to happen anymore. Its too expensive to run an interdiction that would make an impact these days so you can look forwards to a flood of max yeild bots destroying your mineral prices. They have already gutted the ice market.
Blue ice going for 154K each I don't see that as being gutted but one can never tell them bots or not :) I feel like a bot some days lol
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Bohoba
Moon In Scorpio
The Kadeshi
5
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Posted - 2012.11.09 18:46:00 -
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Skydell wrote:The 20% spike in the last few days is the result of the unstable south. I'd have taken that with a grain of salt myself if someone pointed it out but I watch other things unique to the sout like T2 Current Pumps and they are dried up. As I type this there are 18 available in Jita where 6 months ago there were thousands.
As for the more general discussion, it's a combination of high Sec miner harassment, bot crack downs and what I pointed out several times already. They spent years nerfing high sec to allow the Drone regions to be the mineral hub of the game, then took that hub out and never removed any of the nerfs they did to high sec. High Sec is no longer able to supply all of EVE with the high volume minerals. There aren't enough high volume (high Sec) miners or enough minerals. We would need to be clearing every belt to make up the difference the drone poo made and it's just not going to happen.
I don't think drone land put out that much
Miners have found other ways to make isk....farming plex's :) for one :) hear u can make good isk off them now
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