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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:39:00 -
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Caldaris Battleship Raven have to be the worst Battlehip in EVE, who in thier right mind will put 4 Launchers on a Battleship? Since missiles are still WAY to useless i really dont agree that missile launchers is something to put on a battleship, atleast allow the Raven to mount 6 Turrets it will be viable to get, but as it is now Scorpion is far better
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:09:00 -
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I agree with you.
However 6 turrets wouldn't be of much use anyways, considering the low powergrid on the raven.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:53:00 -
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Yes the powergrid is ridicoulusly low, 5000 under Armageddon/Apocalypse
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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DarK
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Posted - 2003.07.05 14:28:00 -
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I agree 100% Raven. It is a piece of junk atm, if i want a missile boat ill get a Caracal.
Though the powergrid on Raven is so low because it only has 4 turret slots, thus not needing much power.
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:14:00 -
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Nod why would anybody want a battleship missle boat when you can have a Caracal. This isn't even pratical as missles are too slow and too easily countered even after the patch.
Perhaps there should be some battleship missle launchers put into the game that can hold several large missles and fire them off rapidly or give the Raven atleast 6 turrets.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.07.05 18:17:00 -
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unfortunately the Raven also only have a 10,000 powercore, same as Scorpion and more than 5000 below Armageddon and other BBs...
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:01:00 -
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Putting more missile slots than turret slots on a battleship is like putting Nerf darts in a shotgun. I know I wouldn't pay for a 200 million isk Caracal.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.05 19:40:00 -
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I have to agree, the Raven needs to have at least five turrets.. a powercore at about 12500 or so, and perhaps another low slot to be considered an "upgrade" from the Scorpion.
I wouldn't mind missles being quite a bit cheaper and perhaps a little better on the speed/ai side either..
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.05 23:28:00 -
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this ship has a use that just hasnt been discovered yet
if u fit 4 missile bays and fill them with defenders and go park in the middle of a really big fleet or your own guys, u can actively lock the badguys at 70KMs and then fire all four bays, and take out your own entire fleet with the current 'useful' behaviour of the missiles in game. then declare as an undercover agent for the badguys and move to join your new corp, where hopefully they can provide you with a ship that is useful for the 1.087 BILLION isk price of the blueprint.
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Riffler
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Posted - 2003.07.06 00:30:00 -
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Caldari ships are getting worse and worse relative to the other races. This is most obvious at battleship level, but the continued uselessness of missiles, nerfing of shield hardeners, lack of turret hardpoints, middling powergrids and bugged range bonus all add up to Caldari weakness bigtime.
They don't have a frigate capable of mounting 3 mining lasers, no cruiser that can mount 5 mining lasers, small drone bays, etc. Their one significant advantage, in terms of mid slots, was nerfed 2 patches ago by giving all the other races top cruisers a free extra midslot. Another minor advantage, in powergrid over the Gallente ships, gets eaten into this patch.
Shield hardeners were most useful to Caldari ships, because they have more mid slots and more shields to harden, but they get nerfed to hell and active armor hardeners are added aswell.
Their race's favoured weapons, railguns are getting better, but are still inferior in PvP because too many PvP engagements occur within optimal range of other weapon types, and if a Caldari wants to warp scramble an opponent, they have to approach much closer than their optimal range. The best a Caldari can hope for in most PvP engagements is to survive, while forcing their enemy to run away.
At battleship level, the Caldari ships just plain suck, there is no reason to even consider a Caldari battleship over that of any other race, but this is simply a magnification of the weaknesses of smaller Caldari ship designs rather than bad design of the battleships themselves.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.06 03:38:00 -
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I think missles need to just to have better ai and much much cheaper to make, period, other than that, they are okay.
As far as hybrids go, I think rails are okay, though their powergrid usage is still too high compared to other weapons in my opinion. Ions are great.. too bad they have absolutely no range.. they need to be short range turrets, not NO range turrets. They need a range boost of 30% atleast.
Until hybrids and missles are good caldari ships will always be weak. The nerfing of shield modules was probably necessary with the turret changes but it did hurt caldari ships the most.
I still think the ship with the most turrets will always win about every time.
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Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.06 11:02:00 -
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Raven is better then the Typhoon. So quit acting like Caldari have the worst level 1 battleship blah blah blah.
It's not the worst. But level 1 battleships are just that, level 1. Just as very few level 1 cruisers seem to have any useful role other than mining, you can expect the level 1 battleships to have shortcomings.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.07.06 11:07:00 -
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*cough* raven is level 2.
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Crownan
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Posted - 2003.07.06 11:31:00 -
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You are so right. I was looking it up on TTI's website and the actual level is not listed but it *is* so close to the Typhoon's specs that I just assumed it was a level 1.
My apologies!
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Sin Lee
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Posted - 2003.07.06 15:12:00 -
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well the caldari shouldn't have the best stuff.. some stuff should suck on them.. the race i'm in .. we just have the best frigate.. the rifter.. but see me complaining? besides.. u never hear about a bounty hunter using battleships.. though the mo0 are playing there group all wrong.. as pirates.. leave that to my race dang it!and play your role as bounty hunters.. so yes get stuck with a bad battleship and suffer! heh..
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:50:00 -
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The problem is not so much the Raven, it is the missiles.
A havoc heavy missile costs in the neighborhood of 6000 ISK. it hits for about the same as a good 250 rail (at 40 ISK a shot), is much slower, and fires slower, and has less range.
Aside from that, missiles are great....
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2003.07.07 05:30:00 -
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i'm caldari, and yes, why does it seem that the caldari ships suck. do the devs have a grudge or something?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.07 05:58:00 -
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I don't think it's a grudge, they simply overestimate the capabilities of missles when compared to turrets. Turrets are simply much more powerful. Perhaps if missles were cheaper.. like, costing hundreds of isk instead of thousands.. missles might be considered decent weapons.
They also need to move a little faster, and to not miss so much.
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Blinder
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Posted - 2003.07.07 17:27:00 -
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Well, as a Caldari who spends far too much time firing missiles than is to anyone's good, I'll agree that they're a little silly right now. I've actually had good success with them, but that might just be myself trying to justify the glee I get from seeing a half dozen missiles exploding all over the place.
IMO, their firepower is actually decent. Sure, you're not going to do the damage over time that say a railgun or blaster will do, but you get a much larger block of damage than from any other equivalent gun, excepting crit-hits. So, you can often clear out an NPC in less time than if you were using just (or any) guns.
Of course, they are also something like 1000% as expensive as using hybrid or projectile weapons, and they are nothing close to 1000% as effective. Their tracking hasn't seemed that bad to me, I've only used them against NPC's but my heavy missiels are hitting pirate frigates pretty easily even before a webifier gets involved. The could do with a bit of a speed increase though, and the main change that really has to take place before they become more than a lunatic's fancy is that the mineral cost of making them (and thus, the market price) needs to be reduced, possibly by as much as 50%.
Also, the rocket launcher seems a bit wonky... the rockets seem to blow each other up on autorepeat, maybe the delay could be bumped *up* a tad to .9 or even a full second? Also, this may be lag related but a lot of times it seems to fire one missile, then the 2nd round fires both remaning missiles... the a3 launchers don't do this with the standards even if I get lagged, so I'm not sure if that's the problem or not.
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The Drip
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:46:00 -
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Stock up on missle bp's and missle ship bp's, etc..
The un-nerfing will come, and some will be ready.
Edited by: The Drip on 07/07/2003 18:46:05
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.07.07 21:20:00 -
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The problem is not the Raven but missles, torpedos, and launcher speeds. Bship guns do more dmg then cruise missles easily and the dps is much better.
Get those inline then the raven is a very scary battle ship.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.07.07 22:22:00 -
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Real easy this one, all the Devs need to do is put the Raven back to how it was at the start of Armagedon day, 8 highslots 6 turrets 2 missiles. Cant remember the powergrid, but it was a good ship. Took out many many Apocolipse's with it :D
Noob
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.07 22:51:00 -
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IF..
MISSLES = MUCH CHEAPER (MUCH!)
MISSLES = MORE AGILE
MISSLES = FASTER
MISSLES = LESS COUNTERABLE (ie, torpedoes not destroyed by micro smart bombs..)
RAVEN = GREAT SHIP
Simple as that! ^_^
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