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Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
851
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:31:00 -
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David Braben is having a look at refreshing the Elite game.
Should CCP use this model, or even present different WiS proposals to EVE players to see which we'd prefer to invest in? I'd happily pay a bit up front to have something named after me etc.
Thoughts...? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:35:00 -
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No
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
Romvex
133
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:45:00 -
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you owe me a keyboard, a desk and extensive facial reconstruction.
Post with your main |
Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
851
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:47:00 -
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Romvex wrote:you owe me a keyboard, a desk and extensive facial reconstruction.
Interesting, please go on... |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
156
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:47:00 -
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I don't see why they couldn't port some of the code used for DUST to create WIS, discarding all the current code. Maybe it could even be a shared environment between DUST (without their weapons) and EVE players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
387
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:49:00 -
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I'd be very disappointed if CCP asked for donations to complete content. |
Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
355
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:53:00 -
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No because we pay monthly subscription fees for them to develop that. Currently their attention is not on WiS.
why?
Incarna Gate. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2894
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:00:00 -
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No WiS in my Eve thanks.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel
Apocalypse Now.
97
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:01:00 -
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I'd be willing to donate to get stuff named after me. PLEX for system rename anyone? 10 PLEX, and you get a 0.0 or wormhole system named after your character. Though I'd want options as to what department the money goes to. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
686
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:03:00 -
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WiS will consist of code written for World of Darkness first and this second, instead of the other way around. Because EVE players demanded it be so.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1112
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:03:00 -
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this would only work as separate game experience. You cant take the money from eve subscribers, so you have to reach other people via kickstarter.
walking in station does nothing without game mechanics or a purpose
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
193
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:05:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I don't see why they couldn't port some of the code used for DUST to create WIS, discarding all the current code. Maybe it could even be a shared environment between DUST (without their weapons) and EVE players.
That is much, much, much, much, much harder than it sounds for a variety of reasons of which the most important one is DUST and Eve use 2 different engines and, suffice to say, we could literally talk game engines all day and still barely scratch the surface.
Also, I believe the plan is to eventually allow Eve and Dust players to share the same environment sometime down the road.
...like waaaaaaaay down the road. |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
1416
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:09:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I don't see why they couldn't port some of the code used for DUST to create WIS, discarding all the current code. Maybe it could even be a shared environment between DUST (without their weapons) and EVE players.
It's like trying to connect a red wire to a black wire when setting up your house's electrical system.
"They're both wires right?"
The Drake is a Lie |
Anuillae Fourneaux
Alternate Opportunities
13
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:14:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Romvex wrote:you owe me a keyboard, a desk and extensive facial reconstruction. Interesting, please go on...
He's saying that your suggestion is so stupid that he facedesked so hard that he went straight through his keyboard and his desk in one go, which rather mangled his face.
I'm somewhat inclined to agree with him.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2151
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:14:00 -
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kickstart it
into a fire |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
120
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:16:00 -
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I'd be more interested in a kickstarter for getting Dust on more platforms.
Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds.
Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:21:00 -
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The thing is that CCP has absolutely no excuse at all for asking for Kickstarter donations and they would be mercilessly mocked by the entire internet if they did so.
Kickstarter is for indie developers who need startup cash, not proper companies who already have one very popular subscription MMO and are working on their second (and third?) games.
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Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU
Open Space Consultancy
38
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:24:00 -
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I would if it was developed and released as a separate game like DUST. Make it something similar to Second Life so that when Capsuleers do get to use it, the station will be filled with roleplayers, cyberwhores and peasants too poor to afford spaceships. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1552
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:40:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:I would if it was developed and released as a separate game like DUST. Make it something similar to Second Life so that when Capsuleers do get to use it, the station will be filled with roleplayers, cyberwhores and peasants too poor to afford spaceships.
That could work. Let anyone download the station environment and get to look outside the windows of everyone flying around in spaceships, or watch tv of dust wars from the CNN of eve, Scope.
Let them mop floors for 8 isk a hour. Run into instances of CQs to collect capsular trash and make beds in epic dungeons. |
Kono Kai
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
336
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:50:00 -
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Its all about developer time. To get more WIS content you're going to need artists, animators, content developers, coders, QA'rs, etc. They aren't going to pull people off the internet spaceship game to do WIS for a LONG time. This would leave you with an enormous kickstarter requirement to actually hire a whole new dev team.
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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
72
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:06:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:I would if it was developed and released as a separate game like DUST. Make it something similar to Second Life so that when Capsuleers do get to use it, the station will be filled with roleplayers, cyberwhores and peasants too poor to afford spaceships.
WIS could be reserved for those that choose to utilize it as well as anyone with a negative wallet balance, then all that remains is to remove CONCORD and institute a fine system rather than CONCORD instapopping you.
I agree with the following assessment of the Mining Barge Buff and as a reformed "Greed-fit", High-sec AFK miner, I think that is saying something. -áMining Barge buff: CCP has acknowledged that miners in general are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
209
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:17:00 -
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While Kickstarter idea (crowdfunding) seems to be inappropriate for successful company such as CCP - idea of "PLEX voting" seems to be ok. I.e. CCP could set up list of goals which could be boosted and assign certain value of PLEXes to each of them to be in priority (for example "common station halls in 3 months = 5000 PLEXes"). Although it may be seen as bad precedent for the company extorting additional resources out of subscribers it could clearly indicate players' interests and priorities to certain branches of development - unlike not-so-clear non-stop forum whining and silent exodus after nerfs and content-less "expansions". |
Diesel47
My Little Pwnys
304
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:04:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I don't see why they couldn't port some of the code used for DUST to create WIS, discarding all the current code. Maybe it could even be a shared environment between DUST (without their weapons) and EVE players. That is much, much, much, much, much harder than it sounds for a variety of reasons of which the most important one is DUST and Eve use 2 different engines and, suffice to say, we could literally talk game engines all day and still barely scratch the surface. Also, I believe the plan is to eventually allow Eve and Dust players to share the same environment sometime down the road. ...like waaaaaaaay down the road.
wtf those knockers. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
616
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:13:00 -
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Hell, I would pay a little extra to get WiS off the ground.
It would leave a bad taste in my mouth though, because frankly I am already paying them pretty regularly.
In fact I have been paying them for four years on two accounts, with the hope that they're spending some of that on developing WiS.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
185
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:30:00 -
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Let see how this threat shows before 3 users try to agro every discusion and say how stupid wis is...  |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.11.09 00:50:00 -
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Solhild wrote:David Braben is having a look at refreshing the Elite game. Should CCP use this model, or even present different WiS proposals to EVE players to see which we'd prefer to invest in? I'd happily pay a bit up front to have something named after me etc. Thoughts...?
Axtually, I'd appeciate that as long bas CCP doesn't deduct any ressoruces outside the Kickstarter money to it.
An option to pay CCP for scrapping WiS may be more lucrative though, at least from me... |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU
Open Space Consultancy
43
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:03:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Hell, I would pay a little extra to get WiS off the ground. Stegas Tyrano wrote:and peasants too poor to afford spaceships. There is something quite appealing about that idea. Maybe introduce a free-to-play model whereby you can't leave a station without a pilots licence (or train skills, for obvious reasons).
It should be free to play so explayers can log in as WIS'ers and talk to old corp mates and what not. That'd hopefully pull more people back in. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
617
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:55:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:Arduemont wrote:Hell, I would pay a little extra to get WiS off the ground. Stegas Tyrano wrote:and peasants too poor to afford spaceships. There is something quite appealing about that idea. Maybe introduce a free-to-play model whereby you can't leave a station without a pilots licence (or train skills, for obvious reasons). It should be free to play so explayers can log in as WIS'ers and talk to old corp mates and what not. That'd hopefully pull more people back in.
Just imagine how many more subscribers you could attract with a free to play model that wouldn't break Eve.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security
Devlin Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:59:00 -
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Seriously? You would rather walk around arbitrarily in a station rather than flying the big spaceships?
Why are you here? Go back to Habbo Hotel.
I am 12 and what is this?? |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
73
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:03:00 -
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I think one of the most expensive subscription fees, and an overly expensive cash shop is more than enough.
Donations on top of that?
Hell no, "Greed is good". |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
378
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:47:00 -
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no u
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
81
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:36:00 -
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People didn't want it for free last year. Why would they want to pay extra for it now? |
Alara IonStorm
3417
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:48:00 -
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I like it, let the people who want walking in Stations pay for it. All they need to do is "borrow some code" design station environments and they are done. < Just imagine it without the gun or monsters.
If their is anything left over from this high quality station design they can use that money to redesign the Moa, Imicus and Celestis.  |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
269
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:58:00 -
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Picture that.
a Sub 'entitles' us to the demands we see on the forum now.
Picture the demands if someone had $5000 invested. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
165
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:07:00 -
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Everybody against WIS should black out their avatars, make them real ugly or w/e to show CCP what we think about wanking in stations. |
Ghazu
266
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:37:00 -
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No because CCP is no longer "indie".
http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Ghazu
266
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:40:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Stegas Tyrano wrote:Arduemont wrote:Hell, I would pay a little extra to get WiS off the ground. Stegas Tyrano wrote:and peasants too poor to afford spaceships. There is something quite appealing about that idea. Maybe introduce a free-to-play model whereby you can't leave a station without a pilots licence (or train skills, for obvious reasons). It should be free to play so explayers can log in as WIS'ers and talk to old corp mates and what not. That'd hopefully pull more people back in. Just imagine how many more subscribers you could attract with a free to play model that wouldn't break Eve.
I heard failing games do the f2p thing in their last few hospice years before they die.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:42:00 -
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I think its an idea that could work. Dust should've been done that way for the PC not the stupid PS3. They squandered resources on a PS3 game that will come back to bite them. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
357
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Posted - 2012.11.09 07:06:00 -
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I've suggested this before. I think it is a great idea if only just to show how little people would actually pay for WIS. Or if there is enough support then that is great.
I don't see anywhere where it says you have to be Indie to use kickstarter or why anyone would care if someone random game company laughed at CCP.
It's really simple business here:
Will the increase in subs/plexs redeemed be enough to justify the expense of adding in more WIS. Kickstarter will answer this. |
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