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TaaS
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: TaaS on 13/04/2005 23:31:02
Edited by: TaaS on 13/04/2005 22:42:13
Edited by: TaaS on 13/04/2005 20:45:45
After reading about the billionth alt scammer this month I've decided that enough is enough. It HAS to be an exploit to scam people out of there money on an alt then go running back to your main with the money with ABSOLUTELY no repercussions or even a CHANCE of repercussions. It's rediculous, there is nothing stopping these people. Some may argue that "well you should be smart enough to recognize a scammer." But people aren't, believe it or not, people in EVE are generous, niave, children, trusting, friendly. These are all great traits but also great traits that scammers can exploit for their own personal gain. Then after they gain what they need they log off, and the char is dead with 10 hours. This leaves the scammed person and his corp completely helpless to do ANYTHING at all unless the person has slipped by releasing one of his main chars or other alts. Publicizing alts or making this an exploit is the only way to fix this and I feel it must be done.
If you agree with me please sign it, if you don't, get stuffed cause you are probably a scammer.
This does not have to apply to forums at all since posting with privacy should be allowed in all ways, shapes, and forms, as I am doing right now. Please DO NOT hijack this thread and make it about me or about forum alt posting because it is not about that, this is about alt abuse and scamming which is getting rediculously out of hand.
And if you were wondering I wasn't scammed. I havn't been scammed for about 6-7 months and scamming me doesn't really bother me to much do to the fact that it is my mistake. But when you scam my corp m8's I get ****ed off. And when I can't do anything but ***** in corp chat I get ****ed off enough that I want to revert back to my pirate roots and just start blasting people...
Sign it if you like it.
EDIT: regaurding the reply below this post...thanky you...i needed that...
EDIT #2: This is not about escrow scams, or market scams which don't seem to revolve AS MUCH around alt abuse even though it is part of it... I'm more worried about a guy coming into my corp and making "pretend friends" with my corp m8's just to take money then dissapear.
EDIT #3 (IMPORTANT READ THIS BEFORE POSTING!!!!): this post is not about scamming. I understand fully that scamming is a game mechanic and you know what I'm all for it. Scam my brains out I don't care. For the sake of this topic just forget the word scam. This post is about ALT ABUSE. People need to not be able to dissapear and leave scammed people with nothing to do but be upset and *****. I really don't want to see another post about scamming being a game mechanic because that is not at all what this topic is about. It is about people hiding behind alts. So grow a brain and read before posting. PLEASE! |
ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:45:00 -
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here is a cookie for you and a nice cold drink while im at it.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:47:00 -
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Signed,
go play with your data feeds hollowbrains |
Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 13/04/2005 20:53:43
well, id loose my scouts, but id also like to have free boards, free amrkets, free escrows..
no spies, no corpthieves..
UTOPIA
Edit: Signed, 4tw ofc ;)
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:55:00 -
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/signed
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:56:00 -
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Im sure it wouldn't be hard for CCP to 'count' how many hours of training an alt has had, and allow someone to train their main with that many hours of training. Of course it would be annoying for some people, I mean I couldn't have an alt at HQ to access hangars for people, but its a small price to pay for having no scammers, corp thieves, forum alts etc.
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Lagartija Nick
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Posted - 2005.04.13 20:59:00 -
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Just reveal the money trail, thats all that really needs to happen. Put the tools in game to hack someones financial records. Once you know where the money is going, you know where to strike.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.13 21:00:00 -
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Something has to be done about the alts, they are a problem, the kind of problem that degrades and corrodes EVE society. I know there are no perfect solutions, but something is better than nothing.
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Zedicuss
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Posted - 2005.04.13 21:00:00 -
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Signed.
Can't see the point or the fun in joining a corp with an alt just to scam some ppl. Go do some lvl 4 missions if you need isk and stop ruining the game.
What I really think about those ppl I'm not gonna post here as I will probably be banned.
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Lobster Man
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Posted - 2005.04.13 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 13/04/2005 21:13:16
Edited by: Lobster Man on 13/04/2005 21:12:47
I'm hesitant to "sign" not because I am a scammer but because this kind of crap, no matter how low, is part of life. If someone steals your CC # in RL they don't get banned, they usually get away with it, unfortunately. I think it all boils down to people should be a bit more careful before they "lend" someone 50mil for that BS or click accept that 120mil escrow without even looking at it. And honestly, whats to stop someone from making a new account and scamming with that one?
I don't in any way shape or form support scammers, I just think banning them or something like that will do nothing but cause anger. And then if, god forbid, someone be wrongfully banned, it'd all be over. I do like the idea of being able to see what other char's an alt has tied to it given then right resources. I don't however think that banning a corp thief or someone who tricked someone out of some money is a good idea.
There's always an easier way. |
Larno
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Posted - 2005.04.13 21:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Lobster Man
Edited by: Lobster Man on 13/04/2005 21:13:16
Edited by: Lobster Man on 13/04/2005 21:12:47
I'm hesitant to "sign" not because I am a scammer but because this kind of crap, no matter how low, is part of life. If someone steals your CC # in RL they don't get banned, they usually get away with it, unfortunately. I think it all boils down to people should be a bit more careful before they "lend" someone 50mil for that BS or click accept that 120mil escrow without even looking at it. And honestly, whats to stop someone from making a new account and scamming with that one?
I don't in any way shape or form support scammers, I just think banning them or something like that will do nothing but cause anger. And then if, god forbid, someone be wrongfully banned, it'd all be over. I do like the idea of being able to see what other char's an alt has tied to it given then right resources. I don't however think that banning a corp thief or someone who tricked someone out of some money is a good idea.
If they ban like 1 person the rest will stop out of fear of getting banned.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.04.13 21:58:00 -
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my corp is 100% real life friends so it doesn't really apply to me.
BUT
I do however like to help new players out from time to time with isk. But seeing how 90% of new characters are NOT new players I have quit helping. Not for fear of getting scamed (I don't give and expect anything in return) but because I really don't care to feed scammers.
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Salusa VC on 13/04/2005 22:12:03
Originally by: Allen Deckard
my corp is 100% real life friends so it doesn't really apply to me.
BUT
I do however like to help new players out from time to time with isk. But seeing how 90% of new characters are NOT new players I have quit helping. Not for fear of getting scamed (I don't give and expect anything in return) but because I really don't care to feed scammers.
I know what you mean in someways.
When I first started I was very generously helped out by some real characters. This was completely out of the blue, and really went a long way to make me "stick to the game".
I subsequently followed the example, and also donated ISK to new players as and when I could afford it.
However, I gave up after a few PM's along the lines of "ROFL Noob!!, This is not my main, char, thanks for the donation".. etc.. etc..
I do still donate, but not as randomly as before.
Dissapointing, because its the "real" new guys who are losing out.
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Galeo
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:13:00 -
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Signed, F scammers.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tairos Hakonnus on 13/04/2005 22:13:29
Please leave my game. thx.
(A way to track money would be interesting though)
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Archa
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:16:00 -
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aren't 90% of the scams escrow scams?
so, stop using escrow and use the market.
i'm sure making alts public isn't the answer.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:38:00 -
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Most scams are, indeed, escrow scams. Corp thievery isn't as common as people think, it just always gets some attention.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:48:00 -
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Spies and corpthieves are part of the game. There is plenty of ways to minimalize the risk of getting spy or corpthief. I am not neither right now, but wount mind using alt to gather some intel from other corps when I need to.
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Masi
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:51:00 -
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my to alts are called STUFF and YOU
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:53:00 -
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Make alts public, but it won't change a damn thing.
Zeepo ain't an alt, and he'll scam the arsehammering bejeesus out of you.
"You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:53:00 -
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People are not scammed, they ALLOW themselves to be scammed, dont act as if it is some kind of explotable cheat.
Some people are dumb and get themselves scammed, their own fault, no-one elses.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace?
Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
Peace My Brothers... |
TaaS
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Posted - 2005.04.13 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: TaaS on 13/04/2005 22:58:29
AS I SAID BEFORE. I know people allow themselves to be scammed. AND AGAIN I SAY regaurding the ******* fact you present that its part of the game. YES I ******* KNOW IT'S PART OF THE GAME. I have NO problem with scamming. What I have a problem with is people deleting the alt they used to scam and me not being able to a god damned ******* thing. That my friend is not a game machinic, because there is no retaliation at all available, and it involves things outside of gameplay. Maybe you should read my entire ******* post before you put in your two cents moron... |
anter
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Posted - 2005.04.13 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: TaaS
Edited by: TaaS on 13/04/2005 22:58:29
AS I SAID BEFORE. I know people allow themselves to be scammed. AND AGAIN I SAY regaurding the ******* fact you present that its part of the game. YES I ******* KNOW IT'S PART OF THE GAME. I have NO problem with scamming. What I have a problem with is people deleting the alt they used to scam and me not being able to a god damned ******* thing. That my friend is not a game machinic, because there is no retaliation at all available, and it involves things outside of gameplay. Maybe you should read my entire ******* post before you put in your two cents moron...
lol are you trying to get your own thread locked?
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.04.13 23:15:00 -
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I roleplay this game. i do not scam. I have been scammed, but not often & always it could've been avoided. Do not tell me that my roleplay characters that interact with other players in very different ways must be linked to each other, simply b/c you got suckered. sorry, learn from it. don't get suckered again. I keep my 9m isk shuttle as a constant reminder not to be sloppy. Eve is dangerous. it's unfortunate that people profit from others lack-of-sleep, or being too trusting, or simply being lazy & clicking without thinking, however that's how it is. Eve is a dangerous world in more ways than one, & you CAN be wtfpwned while docked purchasing something.
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Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.13 23:20:00 -
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Signed.
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Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.13 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Torquemada
People are not scammed, they ALLOW themselves to be scammed, dont act as if it is some kind of explotable cheat.
Some people are dumb and get themselves scammed, their own fault, no-one elses.
But a little change to the game features would allow ppl to TRY to trust somone. But just do what i do, dont hand anything to anyone unless you know him IRL or dont care if you lose it.
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Scoobee
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Posted - 2005.04.13 23:41:00 -
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Signed, alt abuse is teh suck, little girly men scam with alts...
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Yeah well you are about to not have a mouth, I mean it, I'll rip it off!
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Iluvy
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Posted - 2005.04.14 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lagartija Nick
Just reveal the money trail, thats all that really needs to happen. Put the tools in game to hack someones financial records. Once you know where the money is going, you know where to strike.
Definately the best answer to the problem so far proposed. Interesting, adds something to the game, allows people to make money through tracking people down, etc. etc.. The possibilities are endless.
Bleh... xD |
Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.04.14 00:37:00 -
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scamming should not be bannable, but people should have to fear repercussions ingame:
-people should not be able to hide behind alts
-it should be possible imo to create assassination contracts against those people in empire space (since some would just hide in npc corps to avoid any repercution).
Otherwise, scam is imo part of the game. It should just as any criminal activity include risks, and I just don't see any at this time.
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.04.14 00:49:00 -
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alts are maybe the only thing i dont like about EVE,
but i think its hard to take them away ow when they are here,
i just wish that they wouldnt had been introduced
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