This is the stereotypical carebear, I think the goal was to feel sorry for this guy. But well I think everyone here would rather just pop & pod him if someone like this logged into eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMECGvP7UsY

carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP
not really rocket science

Course we would.

Even though I'm a PvP null sec player if I knew no-one else was building ships I would start building them and cashing in. That's the beauty of EVE

EDIT: Also ISD Type40 is actually owning this thread.

I see this term get thrown around a lot, more often as a pejorative for players that play the game a certain way - I'm not sure I understand what that certain way is, though, so I would appreciate it if someone explained. I know I'm going to get a few people who just say "carebears are the scum of highsec" and that's it, but that's not a definition, is it. I *don't* want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... in fact, I'd rather a definition, properly delivered without bias, not include the word scum at all. An explanation would be nice, not more accusations, pejoratives and condemnations. I just want to know what it means, not how you feel about it - although I'm sure some of you will tell me anyway.

A carebear is anyone who thinks that they don't affect other players in a game like EVE, and because they have this conviction that they're "not hurting anyone" believe that no one should be allowed to affect them using the tools in the sandbox (more specifically combat tools). Carebears may be okay with market PvP because the losses generally sting less and are less abrupt. Carebears think players who use combat tools against unwilling players are bullies and that players should be completely safe unless they're willing to engage in combat.

PVP is something that touches all aspects of EVE. PVP is a very loose term as many tend to confuse it with a pure combat oriented activity and forget that it encompasses anything where players compete against other players. Be this through trade, mining claims, manufacturing or other aspects of the game.
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Well then I want to hear from the pvpers why where the term came from, not someone who has a clear personal problem against them.


and you started so well.........

But this ridiculous game has barriers-to-entry so high to learning PVP, and the teaching and resources that are available are so damn convoluted

This is terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such lies.

This is terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such lies.

How long until we hear that nostrum about "getting into pvp from day one, here's an 8 hour skill queue to get you into a pvp corp", like abstinence it works in theory but rarely happens in reality.

Jesus, you and OP have some sort of aversion to reading, Google, and practice it seems.

You have two choices:
1. Nut up and shut up.
a. Find some friends and learn with them.
b. Put some coins in, choose "hard mode", and learn solo.

2. Whine like a little ***** about how hard **** is and how mean people are.

Carebears are awesome, and are the backbone of EVE's economy.

Without them, all us ebil people wouldn't have anyone to build ships so that we could blow eachother up.

You seem to have some aversion to civilised discourse.

The substance of my post must have offended you, huh? Maybe try reading it again and understanding what I was talking about?

There's no point crying about mean people in EVE. You either kill them back, slink away and try not to let it happen again, or whine on the forums. The latter option should be received with nothing but contempt.

There is no barrier to entry into PvP, it's all in your head.

I haven't whined - point out the post where I have, please. A link, not a quote.

Why not a quote?

Quotes can be edited. Der.

So can posts. Der.

Well, I'm having a hard time thinking of the post that I whined in, since I haven't got one

undocked for my first mission and got ganked instantly without so much as a "lol u suck" from my assailant. Those were his exact words. If you want to encourage players to engage in more PvP, then the more experienced players are going to have to start treating the noobs better

So, uh, you gonna go edit that again?

If you want to encourage players to engage in more PvP, then the more experienced players are going to have to start treating the noobs better

That wasn't a whine. That was an explanation of what happened

If you want to encourage players to engage in more PvP, then the more experienced players are going to have to start treating the noobs better

EDIT: what you just did is called cherry-picking. The post as a whole provides the context for the anecdote, which you seem to have ignored or missed.

A carebear is a pilot who lives either in high security or sovereignty null security space. Risk averse and lacking the capacity to adapt by nature, these herd animals seek safety in numbers, and typically depend on CCP to change the game mechanics so their species can survive in this cold and harsh universe.

Here's where you whined:


You were whining about mean people.

I see this term get thrown around a lot, more often as a pejorative for players that play the game a certain way - I'm not sure I understand what that certain way is, though, so I would appreciate it if someone explained. I know I'm going to get a few people who just say "carebears are the scum of highsec" and that's it, but that's not a definition, is it. I *don't* want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... in fact, I'd rather a definition, properly delivered without bias, not include the word scum at all. An explanation would be nice, not more accusations, pejoratives and condemnations. I just want to know what it means, not how you feel about it - although I'm sure some of you will tell me anyway.