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Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:09:00 - [1] - Quote I see this term get thrown around a lot, more often as a pejorative for players that play the game a certain way - I'm not sure I understand what that certain way is, though, so I would appreciate it if someone explained. I know I'm going to get a few people who just say "carebears are the scum of highsec" and that's it, but that's not a definition, is it. I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... in fact, I'd rather a definition, properly delivered without bias, not include the word scum at all. An explanation would be nice, not more accusations, pejoratives and condemnations. I just want to know what it means, not how you feel about it - although I'm sure some of you will tell me anyway. I am 12 and what is this??
stoicfaux 1756	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... Hoo-boy. What country do you live in that has zero to one political parties? It's a time honored tactic dating back to the Garden of Eden to unify your group of people by demonizing another group, thus giving your group a purpose and a reason to take action. Close seconds for why carebears are scum are: "bullying is fun," 'they don't fight back," "hiding my insecurity behind internet anonymity," and "really bored." edit: To be clear, "carebears" don't exist per se. "Hating carebears" does exist. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... Hoo-boy. What country do you live in that has zero to one political parties? It's a time honored tactic dating back to the Garden of Eden to unify your group of people by demonizing another group, thus giving your group a purpose and a reason to take action. Close seconds for why carebears are scum are: "bullying is fun," 'they don't fight back," "hiding my insecurity behind internet anonymity," and "really bored." edit: To be clear, "carebears" don't exist per se. "Hating carebears" does exist. Not a definition of a carebear. This tells me why they are "demonised" which I already knew, but it doesn't tell me what one is. Someone else? FYI: I live in Australia, and I know politicians like to behave like scorned children who didn't get to play in the sandpit, but why anyone else would want to emulate them... I'll never know. I am 12 and what is this??
Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries 91	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:26:00 - [4] - Quote A bear is a four legged creature that roams the woods eating berries and meat and defecating. It also finds honey and eats that. It has very thick skin and can fish for salmon like a champ. Momma bears are tough and protect their young to the death. Bears are featured in Goldilocks. Caring is the act of giving a sh*t. So, caring about your poo and appearing in fairy tales is the definition of Carebear. I think.
White Quake Slightly Vexed Rainbow Dash Friends 111	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:28:00 - [5] - Quote A care bear is a player who plays eve how he/she wants It is a term used by pilots who believe that all pilots should play how they do It is a term used by pvpers to describe pilots who do not want to pvp 24/7
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:29:00 - [6] - Quote Clystan wrote: So, caring about your poo and appearing in fairy tales is the definition of Carebear. I think. I don't know what a player's faecal matter has to do with it, so I'm going to assume nothing. I am 12 and what is this??
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:30:00 - [7] - Quote White Quake wrote: A care bear is a player who plays eve how he/she wants It is a term used by pilots who believe that all pilots should play how they do It is a term used by pvpers to describe pilots who do not want to pvp 24/7 Well then I want to hear from the pvpers why where the term came from, not someone who has a clear personal problem against them. I am 12 and what is this??
stoicfaux 1756	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:31:00 - [8] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... Hoo-boy. What country do you live in that has zero to one political parties? It's a time honored tactic dating back to the Garden of Eden to unify your group of people by demonizing another group, thus giving your group a purpose and a reason to take action. Close seconds for why carebears are scum are: "bullying is fun," 'they don't fight back," "hiding my insecurity behind internet anonymity," and "really bored." edit: To be clear, "carebears" don't exist per se. "Hating carebears" does exist. Not a definition of a carebear. This tells me why they are "demonised" but it doesn't tell me what one is. Someone else? Sigh. There is no such thing as a carebear. However, hating carebears does exist. I can't be much clearer than that. Real World Example: If you ask certain people what a [N-word] is, they will say it's a person of color. If you ask a person of color if they're a [N-word], they will tell you no, they're not a [N-word]. Ergo, the [N-word] isn't a noun/object/person. Instead the N-word is the belief that someone is inherently inferior based solely on cosmetic differences. People believe in carebears, but carebears do not exist per se. See also: US voter ID laws to prevent non-existent voter fraud, tough US anti-immigration laws to protect our jerbs, and US "unskewed" polls. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:32:00 - [9] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: stoicfaux wrote: [quote=Remiel Pollard]I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... Hoo-boy. What country do you live in that has zero to one political parties? It's a time honored tactic dating back to the Garden of Eden to unify your group of people by demonizing another group, thus giving your group a purpose and a reason to take action. Close seconds for why carebears are scum are: "bullying is fun," 'they don't fight back," "hiding my insecurity behind internet anonymity," and "really bored." edit: To be clear, "carebears" don't exist per se. "Hating carebears" does exist. Not a definition of a carebear. This tells me why they are "demonised" but it doesn't tell me what one is. I think you are missing my point - how do you know who to "hate" on if you can't define them? Unicorns don't exist either, but they can be defined. So, define this player type that is so oft referred to in the pejorative as a carebear - the term carebear means nothing to me as it stands. So I really don't know who you're hating on. If you're just hating on mythical creatures, then you've got your own problems. I am 12 and what is this??
stoicfaux 1756	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:37:00 - [10] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: how do you know who to "hate" on if you can't define them? Exactly! Now you understand how it works. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:40:00 - [11] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: how do you know who to "hate" on if you can't define them? Exactly! Now you understand how it works. No, I don't. I'll simplify it for you. Do try to keep up. WHAT is a carebear? What kind of player is a carebear? What is it that they do to earn this term? I am 12 and what is this??
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 783	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:40:00 - [12] - Quote carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP not really rocket science
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:41:00 - [13] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP THANK you. NOW we're getting somewhere. Does anyone else have something intelligent to offer like this guy? EDIT: Rocket science is actually really easy, these days. That figure of speech is so outdated - now quantum and particle physics, cosmology, and biochemistry.... that's real science. Rocket science is mostly just a lot of maths. I am 12 and what is this??
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 1878	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:47:00 - [14] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I see this term get thrown around a lot, more often as a pejorative for players that play the game a certain way - I'm not sure I understand what that certain way is, though, so I would appreciate it if someone explained. I know I'm going to get a few people who just say "carebears are the scum of highsec" and that's it, but that's not a definition, is it. I want to know WHY they're scum - or why they're NOT scum... in fact, I'd rather a definition, properly delivered without bias, not include the word scum at all. An explanation would be nice, not more accusations, pejoratives and condemnations. I just want to know what it means, not how you feel about it - although I'm sure some of you will tell me anyway. The best definition I can think of is this: Use a RL example, think of two workers. One is in the private sector, non union, self-employed, a contractor of sorts, who has to cut his own deals, do his own negotiations and contracts, and take responsibility for his decisions. If he underestimates a job, he has to eat it. He has to deal with his own reputation and his rewards rely on that and a job well done. His own efficiency and cost-effectiveness is crucial. The other is a government or gov-contractor in a Union job who expects a given number of hours every week, a pay scale no matter how little work done and no matter how inefficient, and is next to impossible to fire. They are apt to strike when the don't "get their way" in union contracts, usually manifesting in demanding more pay for the same work even when they have not become more efficient to justify a greater share of gross over net. They will watch the clock all day and do everything to get someone else to do more work. They will stay in the same job, year after year, counting the days to retirement and a big fat unsustainable pension. Which one is the "carebear"?
stoicfaux 1756	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:48:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP not really rocket science Except that anyone who participates in the Eve market engages in market PvP. Which makes 99.999+% of Eve players non-carebears. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 157	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:49:00 - [16] - Quote If i don't like mining ---> miners are "carebears" If I don't like missioning ----> missioners are "carebears" If I hate low sec ----> low sec dwellers are "carebears" If I don't wanna go into wormholes -------> those that "live" there are "carebears" Those people who use the term carebear, use it agains players that play the game in a way the users don't wanna play the game. So, as mentioned before, "carebears" don't exist in general. It is a term someone use to point out they don't like a playing style of another player. It's what you make of it. Or better, it's those who are called that way by the user. Define "devil" or "angel"....? Them are also what definition urself give to it.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:50:00 - [17] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP not really rocket science Except that anyone who participates in the Eve market engages in market PvP. Which makes 99.999+% of Eve players non-carebears. We both knows he means PvP ship-to-ship combat - let's not fiddle with semantics here. I am 12 and what is this??
Galaxy Pig Caldari Provisions Caldari State 79	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:52:00 - [18] - Quote Phytoplankton.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:52:00 - [19] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: If i don't like mining ---> miners are "carebears" If I don't like missioning ----> missioners are "carebears" If I hate low sec ----> low sec dwellers are "carebears" If I don't wanna go into wormholes -------> those that "live" there are "carebears" Those people who use the term carebear, use it agains players that play the game in a way the users don't wanna play the game. So, as mentioned before, "carebears" don't exist in general. It is a term someone use to point out they don't like a playing style of another player. It's what you make of it. Or better, it's those who are called that way by the user. Define "devil" or "angel"....? Them are also what definition urself give to it. No, a definition is clear-cut and not subjective. All that means is a lot of people are using the term wrong, and should use something else. "Devils" and "Angels" are well defined, and even have thesaurus entries. I am 12 and what is this??
Nexus Day Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:52:00 - [20] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP THANK you. NOW we're getting somewhere. Does anyone else have something intelligent to offer like this guy? EDIT: Rocket science is actually really easy, these days. That figure of speech is so outdated - now quantum and particle physics, cosmology, and biochemistry.... that's real science. Rocket science is mostly just a lot of maths. Ah the old shout until you hear the answer you want tactic. And here I thought you wanted opinions.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:53:00 - [21] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Phytoplankton. That's just a big, long-winded personal problem, and not a definition. I read your thread - it's what triggered me to become curious as to the term carebear and where it does and does not apply. I am 12 and what is this??
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 170	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:54:00 - [22] - Quote A carebear is anyone who demands and/or expects to have no risk for their reward or consequences for their actions. PvPers can be as much a carebear as a high sec bear. Star Jump Drive
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:56:00 - [23] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP THANK you. NOW we're getting somewhere. Does anyone else have something intelligent to offer like this guy? EDIT: Rocket science is actually really easy, these days. That figure of speech is so outdated - now quantum and particle physics, cosmology, and biochemistry.... that's real science. Rocket science is mostly just a lot of maths. Ah the old shout until you hear the answer you want tactic. And here I thought you wanted opinions. I'm looking for an answer that makes sense. This makes sense. It's not a personal attack, it's a simple, non-biased definition that applies and suits the term "carebear". It's not the answer I wanted, it's the answer that makes sense. I've already determined that the term "carebear" itself is a subjective pejorative, and I disagree with its usage being applied to anyone, but I just want to know to WHO it applies when used. I am 12 and what is this??
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 157	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:57:00 - [24] - Quote carebear = everyone who looks for easy kills agains mainly new players and call that PVP carebear = all gate campers waiting for a missioner to blow up and call that PVP carebear = anyone who whine about cloaky's in low/nulls for their PVP carebear = every Jita spam/scammer etc..........
Nexus Day Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2012.11.11 02:59:00 - [25] - Quote Sorry OP but it is obvious that you are looking for affirmation, not a discussion. Maybe there should be a General Affirmation forum?
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 03:02:00 - [26] - Quote Flurk Hellbron wrote: carebear = everyone who looks for easy kills agains mainly new players and call that PVP carebear = all gate campers waiting for a missioner to blow up and call that PVP carebear = anyone who whine about cloaky's in low/nulls for their PVP carebear = every Jita spam/scammer etc.......... These playstyles reflect on people that don't care at all. Looking for noobs to kill is not something that someone who "cares" would do. And do scammers really care that much if they're doing what they're doing? I think I'm getting it now, though. Who the carebears are. I am 12 and what is this??
stoicfaux 1756	Posted - 2012.11.11 03:05:00 - [27] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP not really rocket science Except that anyone who participates in the Eve market engages in market PvP. Which makes 99.999+% of Eve players non-carebears. We both knows he means PvP ship-to-ship combat - let's not fiddle with semantics here. Err..., why are we assuming that? Eve has ship combat, empire building, a competitive market, high-sec Incursion PvP focuses on "winning" over shooting other players, Hulkageddon combined market PvP with suicide ganking, etc.. Ship-to-ship combat is a limited subset of PvP in Eve, so why limit the definition of carebear? You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 03:08:00 - [28] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Sorry OP but it is obvious that you are looking for affirmation, not a discussion. Maybe there should be a General Affirmation forum? My account is roughly six months old. I've only been on the forums for the last month, and it's the first time I've seen the term used. There are certain things that make sense about it, but I'm looking for clarity of definition, not affirmation. You can call it as obvious as you want to, but unless you have something better than your circumstantial opinion, then I would suggest that it is just your own bias that doesn't want to admit that the term might actually apply to your own playstyle. Let me make it clear - I avoid PvP. For the moment. I'm getting my skills up. I'm still under 10mil SP. I'm still learning the game. Does that make me a carebear cuz I won't PvP for the moment? Maybe - I don't care much for the term, but if it applies then it applies, and I'm not about to cry over it. I've been forced to defend myself a few times in PvP, only once successfully but my assailant got away and I didn't get a chance to finish him. I risk low and nulsec frequently running contracts and mining rare ores. Most of the time, I get out - I've learned how to be sneaky about it now, and don't get killed as often as I used to. I don't know if that makes me a carebear, and I don't care if it does. If someone wants to call me a carebear, whether it applies or not, then I might suggest it is a personal problem that requires them to find something pejorative to call me to make them feel better about their own playstyle. I'm not here to affirm, I'm here to clarify the definition. Make sense? I am 12 and what is this??
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 39	Posted - 2012.11.11 03:10:00 - [29] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Jack Miton wrote: carebear = anyone who actively avoids PVP not really rocket science Except that anyone who participates in the Eve market engages in market PvP. Which makes 99.999+% of Eve players non-carebears. We both knows he means PvP ship-to-ship combat - let's not fiddle with semantics here. Err..., why are we assuming that? Eve has ship combat, empire building, a competitive market, high-sec Incursion PvP focuses on "winning" over shooting other players, Hulkageddon combined market PvP with suicide ganking, etc.. Ship-to-ship combat is a limited subset of PvP in Eve, so why limit the definition of carebear? We're assuming that because we both know that's what he means. If he'd written instead "players that avoid combat with other players," would that have been better? Because that's how I understood it. And that's what makes the most logical sense given the simplicity of his comment. I am 12 and what is this??
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2012.11.11 03:15:00 - [30] - Quote A carebear is anyone who thinks that they don't affect other players in a game like EVE, and because they have this conviction that they're "not hurting anyone" believe that no one should be allowed to affect them using the tools in the sandbox (more specifically combat tools). Carebears may be okay with market PvP because the losses generally sting less and are less abrupt. Carebears think players who use combat tools against unwilling players are bullies and that players should be completely safe unless they're willing to engage in combat.

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