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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:14:00 -
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Never mind those very profitable level 4 missions. I can't do them, YET. Most of the people in empire can't do level 4 either.
We have "voted with our feet".
We find no joy in being instantly killed by a bunch of pimpf pie-rats when we try to go to 0.0.
CCP can have one of 2 "exodus"s.
CCP can TRY to FORCE us into 0.0. This will result in canceled accounts a REAL EXODUS. Check it out CCP. Most of your PAYING CUSTOMERS are in empire.
Or, CCP could NERF the COWARDLY GANKERS, and set us free.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:16:00 -
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Actually, any moron with a Raven can do level 4 missions. ANYBODY.
And ganking will be reduced, with the NWO plan. So, yeah... s'cool.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:20:00 -
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Not everyone wants to get a Raven just because its the only ship you can safely do Level 4 in without extremly high skills...
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:21:00 -
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Put your money where your mouth is and quit.
EVE's PvE is inferior to most other MMOGs on the market. The PvP is superior. Why you want to shred what EVE does well so you can improve something that CCP will NEVER be able to do better than Blizzard or NCSoft is beyond me.
But seriously, show that you have some balls and stop making empty threats. Quit your account.
 Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Put your money where your mouth is and quit.
EVE's PvE is inferior to most other MMOGs on the market. The PvP is superior. Why you want to shred what EVE does well so you can improve something that CCP will NEVER be able to do better than Blizzard or NCSoft is beyond me.
But seriously, show that you have some balls and stop making empty threats. Quit your account.
No one died and made you a god. I will say what I want to say within the limits of this forum. If you don't like it, QUIT.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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The Colonel
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:24:00 -
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Cowardly gankers shall inherit the earth 
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: The Colonel
Cowardly gankers shall inherit the earth
Maybe. Or they may inherit a DEAD SERVER.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
No one died and made you a god. I will say what I want to say within the limits of this forum. If you don't like it, QUIT.
And noone died and made you such a whiny ***** that all you can do is make empty threats about how the game will die if you dont get what you want.
Either follow through on your threats or **** off. Noone cares anymore.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Originally by: Dakath
No one died and made you a god. I will say what I want to say within the limits of this forum. If you don't like it, QUIT.
And noone died and made you such a whiny ***** that all you can do is make empty threats about how the game will die if you dont get what you want.
Either follow through on your threats or **** off. Noone cares anymore.
Honest players outnumber you about a billion to one.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Sic Transit Gloria Bunny! |
Streetrip
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:43:00 -
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If you cant get past a gate camp or find a way around it whether it be by route or timing then what makes you think you'll survive the rest of 0.0 space?
Honestly i like gate campers...seperates those who should be up there and those who shouldn't I dont gate camp personally i just kill those that get thru and think they're safe.
I find joy in getting past a bunch of pimpf pie-rats when i do get into 0.0 because it means i've just past an obstacle rather than the sucker who's can i just flew past.
If you cant take the risk of running a blockade then i'd stick to runnin those agent missions for your safety of empire.
CCP can have one of 2 exodus's
CCP can try to force people into 0.0 which will result in those just not able to cut it to quit and those who can to thrive
CCP could just get everyone to quit with lack of any challenge in 0.0
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The Colonel
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:43:00 -
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tough words from the merchant of death!
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Streetrip
If you cant get past a gate camp or find a way around it whether it be by route or timing then what makes you think you'll survive the rest of 0.0 space?
Honestly i like gate campers...seperates those who should be up there and those who shouldn't I dont gate camp personally i just kill those that get thru and think they're safe.
I find joy in getting past a bunch of pimpf pie-rats when i do get into 0.0 because it means i've just past an obstacle rather than the sucker who's can i just flew past.
If you cant take the risk of running a blockade then i'd stick to runnin those agent missions for your safety of empire.
CCP can have one of 2 exodus's
CCP can try to force people into 0.0 which will result in those just not able to cut it to quit and those who can to thrive
CCP could just get everyone to quit with lack of any challenge in 0.0
Look at the (nerfed) map of pilots in space.
Most of us are in empire, and that is not because of the wonderful lev4 missions.
If you got your wish there would be no EVE.
The overwhelming majority of players don't want to be nerfed by a gank of pimpfly punks.<P>
CCP is not stupid. They want REAL WORLD MONEY.
They will consider the majority before your fantasies.
Or they will go bankrupt, no more server, server not found.
You gankers have what you have, but if CCP does not respect the overwhelming majority of players who don't want to go there, well EVE will go the way of Ultima Online. Dead as any pie-rat should be. 
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Sic Transit Gloria Bunny! |
Dakath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Colonel
tough words from the merchant of death!
<P>
A "Merchant of Death" sells ammuntion to fools who kill eachother. I am the new Alfred Nobel.
You don't like that? Too bad for you.
I chopped Bunny into little pieces.
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Muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Sic Transit Gloria Bunny! |
Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.04.16 00:58:00 -
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Still the guy has a point... comon - sniping piracy and interceptor piracy has no risks associated unless the pirate is a total noobeh, which is pretty lame... and they are both very effective.
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The Colonel
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
Originally by: The Colonel
tough words from the merchant of death!
<P>
A "Merchant of Death" sells ammuntion to fools who kill eachother. I am the new Alfred Nobel.
You don't like that? Too bad for you.
I love it! I think you're great. Good luck on your peace mission.
Banana
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:04:00 -
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Yea, there is nothing wrong with piracy, but the fact that pirates can just comit their crimes with one character and do everything else with an alt and because of that run basicly no risk whatsoever is just stupid.
Pirates should have much harsher penulties. Security status is stupid enough because you can work around it with alts, and I would just love to know why people are so keen on cloning mass murderers or insuring their ships...
Getting rid of alts alone would solve a lot of the problem...
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Ifni
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:13:00 -
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Note not all pirates do that. I do everything with this one character.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:15:00 -
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You're saying level 4 missions aren't the cause of the exodus to empire. Where's your proof? Gate campers haven't had it easier since Exodus. They haven't become more common since Exodus. If anything, they've become LESS common because less people are entering 0.0 and there's nothing to shoot. Bring proof next time. Until then, goodbye and shut up.
Oh, and a Raven takes less than a week of training to get into. When you have a Raven, you can do level 4 missions with relative ease, regardless of skill points (ok, so you need torps, but they aren't hard to train either, no lvl5 skills needed), and make more money than deap-space mining. So yes, everyone who wants masses of ISK with no real risk DO train up Ravens. It's the EXACT cause of the exodus to empire!
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Seek
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:23:00 -
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DUDE its a game if u dont like the way it is go play wow insted! 
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ikvar on 16/04/2005 01:53:17
Edited by: Ikvar on 16/04/2005 01:53:02
Edited by: Ikvar on 16/04/2005 01:51:54
I love the fact that every PvPer is a 'cowardly ganker'. So you don't want to be killed on a 0.0 gate. Well, lets look at the facts:
* 0.0 is a combat area
* Where else in most 0.0 systems are you going to fight? Belts - maybe once in a while, stations - in the few systems that have them, maybe, planets - nah, safespots - WTF?
* Carebears (sorry, but that's who it is) are always going 'ZOMG WE'RE ALL LEAVING EVE BECAUSE SOMEONE LOCKED MY MINING BARGE IN A BELT IN YULAI!!!!!!!!111111111111111112234' yet I've not really noticed any drop in the amount of people logged on every day.
* With this new 30m map thing I've noticed a vast decrease in 0.0 traffic so hey, you might even be safer. Just make a buddy program account alt scout, fit your lows with stabs, get a good set of instas and you'll be fine. Well, you might not be able to take your barge in I guess. 
So, in conclusion this thread has been done a million times so please wait at least a few weeks 'till the next one.
KTHXBYE,
Love Ikvar.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
Either follow through on your threats or **** off. Noone cares anymore.
You obviously do, as you took the time to post your opinion.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:54:00 -
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Personally i did quit =) This is the third time ive reactivated this account. Eve is still the best PvE MMORPG space sim running. Im dubious about NWO as you cant get me to pvp though. The number 1 thing that causes me to deactivate my account though is that you cant even join a corp without essentially flagging yourself as PvPable anywhere. As long as that little gem of a rule is enabled Eve will always be a minor player in my MMORPG PvE universe.
But to be frank its a niche game. Eves not really focused on being the end all MMORPG space PvE game. Its got its claws into a certain playerbase that enjoys something else. I eventually came to the conclusion let the pvp'rs have their game. Ill blow up npcs in my little public corp until i get bored then ill go back to another game that is truely focused only letting you express yourself in a PvE enviornment.
I do think they make a horrible decision on corp wars in empire space though. Never really bugged me that someone could gank me if they caught me in .2. It bugged me that they could gank me in niya when my faction is ally with the local authorities... apparently that little bribe you pay to concord pays off ALOT of people to not come to your aid in the middle of civilization. But thats why i say... its a pvp game...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.16 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 16/04/2005 02:00:58
Originally by: Ifni
Note not all pirates do that. I do everything with this one character.
Then you can be considered a true pirate and are not really part of the problem. If pirates would have to operate this way we would not even have half as many, because there would be much more significant risk involved in antagonizing everyone.
I still wouldn't want you killing me, but you have my respect for not dodging all consequences of your crimes...
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Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.04.16 02:16:00 -
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I moved from 0.0 (where I went on my 1st day of EVE) back to Empire cos it's easy cash. I preferred low sec space cos there was less lag, less immature players and plenty of fun......unfortunately as a noob i couldn't make enough cash in the corp i was in.....
My first venture to empire was to sell high end loot i'd got from 0.0, and i did make alot. However, I quickly realised that i could make more agent running in a raven, though i do have reasonable gunnery skills as well as i liked the look of the geddon.
I would like to move to lower sec again, and think that lvl 4 agents should not be available in 0.5 and above.
The only prob here is that if lvl 4 is moved solely to 0.4 then all agent runners would immediately become gank targets.
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Bombcrater
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Posted - 2005.04.16 02:40:00 -
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Level 4 missions may have caused the exodus of players from 0.0 to empire space, but I think that'll be a temporary problem. Are PvP-ers going to be happy grinding away at missions? No. They'll make a pile of ISK then get bored and go back to 0.0. Minor nerfs to lvl4 mission rewards may accelerate that, but it'll happen anyway.
But missions have nothing at all to do with the lack of players actually heading for 0.0. That's down to the insane risk involved. Why should a 'carebear' bother with 0.0 when they're most likely to get ganked at the first gate or, if they escape that, get ganked later for not being part of the right alliance. People generally try it once or twice, then get fed up stay in safe space.
Even if the rewards for going into 0.0 were boosted to three or four times what you can get from level 4 missions I don't think it would help. Lack of rewards just isn't the main problem, it's the spectre of near certain death. It's a bit ironic that level 4 missions may actually help a bit here, making it easier to finance costly experimental trips into 0.0.
As an arch-carebare who's tried 0.0 and got very, very sick of being dish of day for any roving gank squads, there's three things I can think of that CCP could do to help:
* Remove the choke points.
* Make implants safely removable. Nobody with 200m worth of hardware in their head is going to go anywhere near 0.0.
* Have worthwhile ores in systems that are not 20 jumps deep into 0.0.
The first time I ever went into 0.0 (using an alt, because I had a good idea what was coming) was via the route taken by lots of players in Verge Vendor -- through Reblier and 6-CZ49 into Syndicate. Going in just after downtime meant I could explore a bit but, well, there's nothing there. No ores anywhere near valuable enough to be worth ninja-mining, which is the only thing viable if you don't have lots of backup.
On the way back to Reblier I was jumped by a Tempest, a Typhoon and three interceptors. Boom. Even my main char's stuffed full of named mods Raven wouldn't have survived that one. Further expeditions were no more successful, one of them very nearly costing me a Scorp.
For people like me (and most Empire residents, I suspect) there's zero point to 0.0 space right now.
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Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.04.16 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rich Head on 16/04/2005 02:45:05
Jeez....I have NEVER been ganked at a gate. Just try it. Gonditsa? pff......It's dead! FFS, stop being cowards.
I do agree with the zero poin to 0.0 though. Unless of course you have a reason to go there. lol
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2005.04.16 02:50:00 -
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I thought you all wanted to PvP not collect isk! thats what i thought sarcastically as they implied NWO was to get everyone PvPn again. If you all wanted to wtfpwn each other wouldnt you be... wtfpwning each other?
I predict if they dont NWO quickly they may very well find eve has a population of us carebears that dont want to go back to avoiding getting ganked everyday.
One thing i dont understand is how someone in eve can not find PvP if they want it? And if hording isk isnt worth anything as your average PvPr mocks on threads then what do they care who gets isk as long as they have their pvp? I guess in the end that isk they tell you not to care about loosing should only go to those that PvP not that they care about it though...
You all confuse me~ But off i go.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.04.16 02:52:00 -
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There is a point in 0.0 for some people, unrestricted fighting.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.16 04:20:00 -
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The one thing I grow sick of is..
People such as Dakath, who are incapable of doing anything for them selves. Rather then use there own brains, and figure something out all by them selves. They come to the forum and whine and begg for CCP to do it for them.
Seriously, 0.0 is not hard. Use your figgen head. Please don't ask for a nerf to accomodate your own inablity to cope.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.04.16 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen on 16/04/2005 06:02:27
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The only prob here is that if lvl 4 is moved solely to 0.4 then all agent runners would immediately become gank targets.
It still is not going to make people migrate to 0.0 space. 0.4 to 0.1 is still empire space.
It is still not unrestricted PvP. You may lose sec status or get hit by sentries.
The resulting complaints may force CCP to up the number of sentry guns in the gate and stations.
Missions make their own safespots. If you are missioning in deadspace, the risk of being attacked while in the deadspace is just the same whether it is in 0.0, 0.2 or 0.8. Then you just return to a station already protected by sentry guns, faster yet if you have instamarked the station itself.
Making the money itself is not the negative thing. It is supposed to be positive since people in empire space could better accumulate the ships and the resources to move out to 0.0 space or afford to do more PvP. It also creates markets for 0.0 people to sell their overpriced booty modules, since the empire people can now afford them.
So having more money in empire is actually good.
But what is wrong is the LP system and the rewards. The LP system is not transferrable. People already accumulatd tens of thousands of LPs ARE NOT going to move to another agent regardless of location come heaven and hell. The LP system forces players to stay in that system and keep whoring the agent to no end. Nobody wants to leave, not even the most hardened alliance player (certainly not afraid of 0.0) because he or she cannot transfer the LPs elsewhere.
And what makes the player ***** the agent endlessly? Because they want that faction ship or prize. Many of these players have done everything in the game. They have mined, traded, pirated, fleet battled, NPCed and so on, and are left with nothing to look forward for. Except for that one prize that would represent the trophy of all their achievements in EVE. A rare faction battleship.
Many of these playera are already super rich and should be enjoying their excess wealth by having some PvP fun, but instead they continue to keep slaving endlessly in missions for more LP to get that ship.
The current change to lessen LP rewards in high sec space gravely WORSENS that situation because it is not going to force players to change their agents, thanks to a nontransferrable LP system. It is only going to make them harder and stay longer in empire until achievement is completed.
By the time they earned that 500k LP points to get a battleship, their EVE lifestyles have profoundly changed. The whole thing has become a habit and lives on its own momentum.
Lately, CCP has dangled carrots like elite BS, dreadnaughts, carriers and titans. The reaction of the EVE population is to keep grinding away. Once again, on missions.
Why does CCP want you to do missions? Here's why. In the real world, you spend a lot of money for the salaries of the employees and developers creating those missions and new content. If few people could only use or play that new content, the company has wasted serious *real* money.
Examples of content CCP invested a lot of money on but relatively few people went on to use them are logistics ships and POS. It is no wonder that a dev stated they are not going to design and implement ships people are not going to play with.
Think of it this way. Let's say I operate a theme park. If I spent a lot of money creating a new ride or attraction, dammit I better have a lot of people enjoying it to make use of my investment---even at the expense of the other rides and attractions.
Back again to the faction battleships, the elite BS, the dreadnaughts, titans and carriers. All new content that takes real money to develop. And once again, CCP WANTS you to ENJOY the new content even if you are in empire, and so CCP gave you the tools for it (l4 missions). After all, the funds developing the new content ultimately came out of your subscription. And CCP has to answer to the investors.
Because of this BOTH Empire -and- 0.0 people MUST utilize the investment of new content, investment that takes *REAL WORLD* greenbacks and kronin. You cannot have it any other way. This is not an issue of risk vs. reward---hence why many people cannot understand this---this is a more fundamental real world issue, a business issue, of CCP maximizing its investment on content with maximum player exposure.
"I paid it for it and you will use it."
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