Torvin, even I'm confused now

Anslo, you put your faith in crazy.

TBH he's acting on his own. I never asked him to do this Gotta wonder who's on who's side. Oh well, makes Eve fun, right?

Also crazy's worked for me plenty of times \o/

You told me i was the oficial propaganda guy

Torvin, that doesn't mean spam GD. That meant use photoshop

Oh well! Live and learn!

Torvin, that doesn't mean spam GD. That meant use photoshop

Oh well! Live and learn!

And like all so called "revolutuions", the proveldtariot starts to come apart form the inside 1st......

They make T1 mining barges you know...

Torvin, that doesn't mean spam GD. That meant use photoshop

Oh well! Live and learn!

Hey Anslo, what's working with a troll like?

the right to afk mine

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

That was a bad post. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself & whoever taught you English should also be ashamed.

the right to afk mine
....stuff....

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

oh come at me evil goonie

i won't let you oppress our comrades any longer. the proveldteriat revolution is at hand.

You're quite welcome to rally the people of highsec together & remove us from our space. Oh that's right, most of them are AFK.

TL:DR - Why can't I mine AFK in total safety? You are ruining my game! Nerf and ban the goosn! I want to make cash while Im not even playing the game!! ABLOO ABLOO BLOO BLOO ABLOO!

Sorry man. You blew your load too early. Even your partner in crime knows you are a troll now.

[b[13th November, 2012[/b] Anslo's chief supporter, Torvin Yulus, converts to the New Order and posts a morally uplifting story of the utopia that is bound to be brought about by miner bumping. Anslo is crushed by the betrayal.

Goons won eve.


Who's going to remove them from their space?


Well, no one (unless someone forgets to put money in a wallet, but that can't be counted on).


Grats guys.

BOB will save us from this mena-ohwait...

13th November, 2012 Anslo's chief supporter, Torvin Yulus, converts to the New Order and posts a morally uplifting story of the utopia that is bound to be brought about by miner bumping. Anslo is crushed by the betrayal.

i am not defecting you moron i am as convicted to miner freedom as ever.

i will make my voice heard.

i am not defecting you moron i am as convicted to miner freedom as ever.

i will make my voice heard.

Suuuuure you are

So let me get this right a member of the pro-AFK-miner crew wants other AFK miners to stand up for AFK mining but doesn't realize they cannot hear his plea because they are AFK.

If a man used local in a solar system populated solely by AFK miners. Would there be any text in local?

You're quite welcome to rally the people of highsec together & remove us from our space. Oh that's right, most of them are AFK.

These poor mentally deranged miners are the ones the New Order seeks to save

Those bumbers and counter-bumpers seem to be a peculiar little subculture in EVE. I imagine a conversation with someone who doesn't play EVE and asks what you do in your free time.

I might say: "I play EVE, it's a spaceship game with spaceship fights and I blow other peoples' spaceships up or get blown up myself." And he might say: "Hmkay, sounds like fun, if one is into videogames."

The bumber says: "I play EVE, it's a spaceship game, and I bump other peoples' ships around with my own ship all day."
The counter-bumper says: "I play EVE, it's a spaceship game, and I bump the ships of other people around as a punishment for bumping the ships of still other people around."
And the dude says "Hmkay."

The essay that this OP is based on was a warning about the dangers of DRM. People who are reading the OP as supporting James 315/Goonswarm/generic evil apparently don't understand hyperbole.

The essay that this OP is based on was a warning about the dangers of DRM. People who are reading the OP as supporting James 315/Goonswarm/generic evil apparently don't understand hyperbole.

The essay that this OP is based on was a warning about the dangers of DRM. People who are reading the OP as supporting James 315/Goonswarm/generic evil apparently don't understand hyperbole.

2nd - 8th November, 2012 Anslo comes up with yet another revolutionary idea! To protest against the bumping of miners, he would bump miners himself! That'd show them!

[b]

That's quite a thorough piece of Bumpist journalism! Which undoubtedly required a considerable amount of time to create. Full of the usual logical gaps/non sequiturs we've all gotten used to by now, but good exposure for the anti-Bumpist cause nonetheless.

Thigh-slapping hilarious thread, especially 1st page.

Best Thread of the Month

No one believed that the author was INTENDING to support those things. The things that he wrote did tend to support them, however. This shows that the AUTHOR does not understand hyperbole, as his attempt at it backfired.

The central metaphor that original piece starts with is "Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrongGÇösomething that only pirates would do." He compares that to afk-mining. Sharing books is wonderful, and afk-mining ruins the game. That comparison is farcical.

How the heck does afk mining ruin the game? Seriously, how does me playing halo 4, CoD, or Xcom on my 360 while also mining ice or minerals hurt you so? Where did the bad afk miner touch you? Grow up. If someone chooses to mine and only be semi present at the keyboard, so be it. They take a risk of being ganked and can enjoy another activity while growing their wallet a small amount.

Botting, yeah that is bad, bannable, and should stay that way. But to say afk mining is ruining eve, well, that's as bad a premise as comparing afk mining to sharing books.

the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

for Ice Monkey, the road to revolution began in the Tolle - when Ore-inator asked to borrow his skiff. Hers had been ganked by the goons, and unless she could borrow another one, she would have to grind back up from an ibis. There was no one she dared ask, except Ice Monkey.

this put Monkey in a dilemma. He had to help her - but if he lent her his skiff, she might afk mine withit. aside from the fact that you could get permabanned for many years for afk mining, the very idea shocked him at first. like everyone else, he ahd been caught by the gooncademy that afk mining was nasty and wrong - something that only pubbies would do

and there wasn't much chance that the New Order would fail to catch him. In his gooncademy classes, Monkey learned that each ice belt had a bumper that reported when someone was afk to goon command. the next time his skiff was in a belt, goon command would send a fleetof talos to gank him. he, as the skiff owner, would recieve the harshest punishment - for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

of course, Ore-inator did not nececarilly intend to afk the mines. she might want the skiff only to mine for her pos, but Monkey knew she was of a middle class family and could hardly afford a retriever, let alone her mining permits. afk mining in a skiff might be the only way she can PLEX her accounts. Monkey understood this himself having had to take a massive loan from the Goonbank to pay for the billions in mining permits of James 315 in the hope he could make it back mining.

later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

monkey would learn that anyone used to be able to go afk while mining. there were even guides to maximizing afk minging profit, but too many non goons made money so the goons ruled that afk mining had the sole purpose of destroying the goons.

goons still needed ice, of course, but ice miners in 2015 were distributed numbered skiffs and mining permits oblt, and only to Gooncademy graduates.

it was possible to bypass the mining permits and mine some ice without paying goons and James 315. but today that would require protection from bumpers and neither Goons nor Concord would ever give you that.

Monkey concluided he couldn't lend his skiff. but he couldn't refuse to help her because ice miners are comrades. he resovled the problem by doing something even more unthinkables - he gave her his account details so the goons would think that it was him, a good citizen who NEVER afk mined.

of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

How the heck does afk mining ruin the game? Seriously, how does me playing halo 4, CoD, or Xcom on my 360 while also mining ice or minerals hurt you so? Where did the bad afk miner touch you? Grow up. If someone chooses to mine and only be semi present at the keyboard, so be it. They take a risk of being ganked and can enjoy another activity while growing their wallet a small amount.

Botting, yeah that is bad, bannable, and should stay that way. But to say afk mining is ruining eve, well, that's as bad a premise as comparing afk mining to sharing books.

the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

for Ice Monkey, the road to revolution began in the Tolle - when Ore-inator asked to borrow his skiff. Hers had been ganked by the goons, and unless she could borrow another one, she would have to grind back up from an ibis. There was no one she dared ask, except Ice Monkey.

this put Monkey in a dilemma. He had to help her - but if he lent her his skiff, she might afk mine withit. aside from the fact that you could get permabanned for many years for afk mining, the very idea shocked him at first. like everyone else, he ahd been caught by the gooncademy that afk mining was nasty and wrong - something that only pubbies would do

and there wasn't much chance that the New Order would fail to catch him. In his gooncademy classes, Monkey learned that each ice belt had a bumper that reported when someone was afk to goon command. the next time his skiff was in a belt, goon command would send a fleetof talos to gank him. he, as the skiff owner, would recieve the harshest punishment - for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

of course, Ore-inator did not nececarilly intend to afk the mines. she might want the skiff only to mine for her pos, but Monkey knew she was of a middle class family and could hardly afford a retriever, let alone her mining permits. afk mining in a skiff might be the only way she can PLEX her accounts. Monkey understood this himself having had to take a massive loan from the Goonbank to pay for the billions in mining permits of James 315 in the hope he could make it back mining.

later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

monkey would learn that anyone used to be able to go afk while mining. there were even guides to maximizing afk minging profit, but too many non goons made money so the goons ruled that afk mining had the sole purpose of destroying the goons.

goons still needed ice, of course, but ice miners in 2015 were distributed numbered skiffs and mining permits oblt, and only to Gooncademy graduates.

it was possible to bypass the mining permits and mine some ice without paying goons and James 315. but today that would require protection from bumpers and neither Goons nor Concord would ever give you that.

Monkey concluided he couldn't lend his skiff. but he couldn't refuse to help her because ice miners are comrades. he resovled the problem by doing something even more unthinkables - he gave her his account details so the goons would think that it was him, a good citizen who NEVER afk mined.

of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

AFK gaming IN GENERAL on ANYTHING is not gaming. If you're afk, then you're not playing. If you're not playing, then why are you here? Let's put aside the economical effects of afk ice mining with multiple accounts and characters for a second, and take a look at the basic premise of playing games - you're supposed to actually play them.

One may also enter a restaurant, eat an appetizer and decline the whole rest of the meal afterwards.
As long as he pays for the meal, no one has the right to tell him a iota.

One may also enter a restaurant, eat an appetizer and decline the whole rest of the meal afterwards.
As long as he pays for the meal, no one has the right to tell him a iota.

No, but they have the ability. Welcome to EVE, where sometimes people will do mean things to you that you don't want them to do, and this is the selling point of the game.

Power is all that matters.

One may also enter a restaurant, eat an appetizer and decline the whole rest of the meal afterwards.
As long as he pays for the meal, no one has the right to tell him a iota.

Power is all that matters.

Now are you talking ancillary, auxiliary or capacitor?

Remember, with great power comes a great bill.

Perhaps I worded this wrong. I do that sometimes.

Let me put it this way.

If you're not playing the game, then what right do you have to dictate to CCP or other players how you should be treated in it?

What right do you have to the resources you're whisking away from players who put in the effort?

Your analogy is fallacious because it assumes that people would be stupid enough to pay for a full meal and just eat the appetizer when they could just as easily buy themselves a box of crackers and dip, or get a cheeseburger from maccas instead. People aren't that stupid, though, and EVE isn't a restaurant. The point I'm making has nothing to do with what you have the right to do - the point I'm making is what you *DON'T* have the right to expect if you're not playing the game.

You need to stop writing a new paragraph for each sentence. Go back to school and then and only then, come back to post on these forums.

Real power. Your ability to do things to others, or to prevent other people from doing things to you.

The problem with AFK miners is that they have intentionally given up that last.

So by your logic, the 2nd string quarter back who may make it to the superbowl, but not play because the first string is need all game, deserves no ring? Or what of the defense? Should they only get 1/2 a ring and 1/2 the accolades because they only played half the game?

Look at what you are saying.... My way is the only way to play and my definition of playing is the only valid one. How elitist and poorly thought out you sound. Grow up and stop trying to dictate how people enjoy their free time.

Also, you obviously have no clue how ice mining works. A mackinaw holds 34 pieces of ice in its ore hold. You can mine a piece of ice about every minute. What you are saying is that the person who stares at their screen for 30 minutes watching the ice pile up is some how better than the guy who has their laptop next to them, whike watching a tv show and putting in the exact same effort. Really? It bothers you that much?

The only difference between the two us that the guy watching his screen is slightly safer because he may see a gank coming faster. Otherwise the two people are no different, they just choose to watch different things.

And what of the guy who is doing the same, but instead of tv, is flicking through images on fukung.net on the in game browser? Is he not playing as well?

There is no such thing as "real" power in eve when it comes to the players and who has power. It all comes down to how many turrents your power grid allows you to fit to blow clones back to a med bay.

If miners want to go AFK and get all butthurt about it all, just ignore them. Plain and simple. If you come across them report them as bots and then blast them out of the vacuum. They'll learn eventually.

There is no such thing as "real" power in eve when it comes to the players and who has power. It all comes down to how many turrents your power grid allows you to fit to blow clones back to a med bay.

If miners want to go AFK and get all butthurt about it all, just ignore them. Plain and simple. If you come across them report them as bots and then blast them out of the vacuum. They'll learn eventually.

So by your logic, the 2nd string quarter back who may make it to the superbowl, but not play because the first string is need all game, deserves no ring? Or what of the defense? Should they only get 1/2 a ring and 1/2 the accolades because they only played half the game?

Look at what you are saying.... My way is the only way to play and my definition of playing is the only valid one. How elitist and poorly thought out you sound. Grow up and stop trying to dictate how people enjoy their free time.

Also, you obviously have no clue how ice mining works. A mackinaw holds 34 pieces of ice in its ore hold. You can mine a piece of ice about every minute. What you are saying is that the person who stares at their screen for 30 minutes watching the ice pile up is some how better than the guy who has their laptop next to them, whike watching a tv show and putting in the exact same effort. Really? It bothers you that much?

The only difference between the two us that the guy watching his screen is slightly safer because he may see a gank coming faster. Otherwise the two people are no different, they just choose to watch different things.

And what of the guy who is doing the same, but instead of tv, is flicking through images on fukung.net on the in game browser? Is he not playing as well?

I disagree. EVE has managed something no other MMO has, and that is to model how power works in the real world. My power is directly analogous to what I can make you do, or how I can punish you for doing something I don't want you to do.

So by your logic, the 2nd string quarter back who may make it to the superbowl, but not play because the first string is need all game, deserves no ring? Or what of the defense? Should they only get 1/2 a ring and 1/2 the accolades because they only played half the game?

Look at what you are saying.... My way is the only way to play and my definition of playing is the only valid one. How elitist and poorly thought out you sound. Grow up and stop trying to dictate how people enjoy their free time.

Also, you obviously have no clue how ice mining works. A mackinaw holds 34 pieces of ice in its ore hold. You can mine a piece of ice about every minute. What you are saying is that the person who stares at their screen for 30 minutes watching the ice pile up is some how better than the guy who has their laptop next to them, whike watching a tv show and putting in the exact same effort. Really? It bothers you that much?

The only difference between the two us that the guy watching his screen is slightly safer because he may see a gank coming faster. Otherwise the two people are no different, they just choose to watch different things.

And what of the guy who is doing the same, but instead of tv, is flicking through images on fukung.net on the in game browser? Is he not playing as well?

Sooner or later, those "sheep" you are herding will rise and you will fall. It is just a matter of time and that "real" power will just be redistributed or dissipate. Those is the cycle of the real world.

I disagree. EVE has managed something no other MMO has, and that is to model how power works in the real world. My power is directly analogous to what I can make you do, or how I can punish you for doing something I don't want you to do.

If you refer to the AFK Ice Miners when you say 'those "sheep"', then no, they won't. The obvious problem is that they are AFK. The next-most obvious problem is that they are motivated purely by ISK - they are too self-interested to worry about stopping bumpers from bumping anybody but themselves. The third most obvious problem is that they're miners: they don't have any way to rise against us. The fourth most obvious problem is that y'all have been saying that ever since we started and we've not seen it. The fifth most obvious problem is this.

If they are legitimately AFK, then it is a problem. I have been bumped and ganked in a mining barge and I wasn't AFK. Rifter warps in, I was already pre-aligned and I start to warp off. The rifter throws on his MWD, bumps me and then a cane and nado came out of nowhere. Then im warp scrambed. I got away before I was podded.

When I mine on my main now, I run d-scans at about 2 or 3 AU depending on the system and warp to another object and cloak while I keep track of the belt I just left on d-scans.

Granted there are legitmate AFK miners. But they do learn ways to get around it.

Edit: Hey Tib, your quoting is a little messed up on your lost post and kinda through me off when I was reading. Not trying to be a ****, just helping anyone else trying to read this thread.

Uh... Congrats? You escaped a bumper/ganker once. That's great, but it hardly counts as 'rising up' and it's hardly going to cause us to 'fall'.

Indeed! But congrats to that one miner for learning how to avoid getting bumped. You no longer play in a manner that is indistinguishable to being AFK and hence can avoid getting bumped.

I bet y'all honestly believe I am a miner in high sec! Naw, I mine in Grav and Ladar sites out in low-sec and W-space. What these miners need is a tactician to lead them to war against all the greifers. Want happen soon so you all are safe for now but in time they will. Go ahead! Boast of your control over these "weak minded" miners who are actually just new players that don't know any better. One day, you will eat those words...

I bet y'all honestly believe I am a miner in high sec! Naw, I mine in Grav and Ladar sites out in low-sec and W-space. What these miners need is a tactician to lead them to war against all the greifers. Want happen soon so you all are safe for now but in time they will. Go ahead! Boast of your control over these "weak minded" miners who are actually just new players that don't know any better. One day, you will eat those words...

I bet y'all honestly believe I am a miner in high sec! Naw, I mine in Grav and Ladar sites out in low-sec and W-space. What these miners need is a tactician to lead them to war against all the greifers. Want happen soon so you all are safe for now but in time they will. Go ahead! Boast of your control over these "weak minded" miners who are actually just new players that don't know any better. One day, you will eat those words...

Make a guess at how many barges, exhumers, and other mining ships I've blown up. Go ahead. :)

It took almost a decade of screwing with people to get even a modest fight out of miners, at the rate the Eating of words should occur sometime around 2023, just in time for the release of EVE Online: Geriatrix.

Congratulations again on your superior mining skills.

As for your threats: You could at least have thought of something original to say about it.

It's not a threat, it's the cycle of eve. You will fall from power or be knocked off by someone at sometime. It's not a matter of if but when.

It's not a threat, it's the cycle of eve. You will fall from power or be knocked off by someone at sometime. It's not a matter of if but when.

No it isn't.

Cycle of nullsec, perhaps. There's certainly more evidence that no nullsec organisation can hold power for ever. But miner bumpers? Of course they can; nobody wants them gone except miners, and miners aren't going to do anything about it.

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

Yet another "nonviolent" type putting his playstyle above others' in a bid for self-identified moral superiority.

Minerbumpers may have not gotten enough hugs. I guess that's not an unreasonable assumption.

But what could mommy have done to spur such intolerance for gamesmanship in high-sec miners, then?

It gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

It is not 'gamesmanship' at all. Just WOW !

It's an interruption of pre-existing game features. It disrupts the process actually.

It's the equivalent of someone sweeping away the Monopoly board setup suddenly with their hand.

If that's gamemanship, I'm Marilyn Monroe.

Of course there is real power in EVE. My power over miners resides in the fact that I am able to stop them doing what they want to do (mining) regardless of their own intentions or wishes. That is power. This may surprise you, but the New Order does not really care whether or not the miner is in front of the keyboard. For our purposes, 'AFK' means 'not interacting with the game'. If the miner is just watching his hold fill up and not chatting in Local, corp chat, private chats or interacting with any other player in this MMO, he is wasting space and we will bump him for it.

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

So if a miner proves he's not AFK and not a bot by responding in Local, the New Order won't bump him? Or does he still have to pay the 100mil fee?

*puts on robes and dances like dude in an Alabama Baptist Church*

Preach it Tiberious!

Sir, this is a game about competition.

If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, I have out-gamed you.

If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship.

Gamesmanship.

I put on my robe and wizard's hat.

I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!!

Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again.

I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!!

Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again.

Sir, this is a game about competition.

If I disrupt your play in a way that potentially brings me gains in-game, or brings you losses, I have out-gamed you.

If I taunt you with the possibility and you just give in ahead of time, that's gamesmanship.

Gamesmanship.

You didn't even know what "gamesmanship" was, but you say my argument failed.

Bumping miners has the potential to earn them ISK from permits.

So you're wrong again. How's that feel?

The number of miner's who would even pay, with the trust that the behavior is guaranteed to stop, is going to be very very low.

Is that not one of the foundations of EVE Play ? TRUST NOBODY.

Your game was gamed already: by experience and history of behaviors. The concept that this would somehow actually work was broken long ago.

Yet another "nonviolent" type putting his playstyle above others' in a bid for self-identified moral superiority.

Minerbumpers may have not gotten enough hugs. I guess that's not an unreasonable assumption.

But what could mommy have done to spur such intolerance for gamesmanship in high-sec miners, then?

It gives me the creeps just thinking about it.

What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices. I choose to obstruct mining bumbers choice of forcing people who can't make choices for themselves or even think for themselves to make what seems like the only choice they have while screwing them out of hard earned money. The miners parents didn't teach them to think for themselves.

Cowards can never be moral.
~Gandhi


My nonviolence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice. I can no more preach nonviolence to a coward than I can tempt a blind man to enjoy healthy scenes.
~Gandhi

The miners parents didn't teach them to think for themselves.

Cowards can never be moral.
~Gandhi


My nonviolence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice. I can no more preach nonviolence to a coward than I can tempt a blind man to enjoy healthy scenes.
~Gandhi

A Miner bumping another Miner to control a belt for some idiotic reason, does fall within the parameters of Gamesmanship by definition.

Mining and Bumping are completely separate ideas. It's like trying to play chess on a Monopoly board suddenly.

It breaks the game.

edit: OR makes the player quit. Then they all quit.

Then who do you bump ?

You're nearly right. We do care if someone is AFK. We just don't care that they're ATK if they're mining. Look at it this way; a player in EVE can have several levels of bot-aspiration, or how much he wants to be a bot. Actually running a bot program is obviously 10, on a scale of 1 to 10. Being an AFK miner is a good 6; you're getting a computer to do tasks for you with no input from a human after a certain point. Being a miner of any sort is still at least a 4, since you're getting a computer to do tasks for you with no input from a human after a certain point, even if they're doing other stuff ingame.

The New Order wishes to wipe out bot-aspiration altogether. Towards that end, we'll target bots first, AFK miners second and other miners third. That doesn't mean we won't target AFK miners.

Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

The irony of how you tell us we can't think for ourselves and then crudely shoehorn quotes from people who were talking about completely different things into the situation.

You guys don't sincerely buy into this shtick, do you? Some sort of crusade to get people from stop getting computers to do tasks for them with no human input? Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

This New Order code thing is just a B-movie implementation of The Mittani's half-heated anti-AFK mining ramblings from a year ago. Guys, they came from a Goon-- you weren't supposed to take them at face value and as true gospel.

And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

This is the part where I remind you of the "RP" in MMORPG.

Whether or not they actually buy into it is utterly irrelevant.

There's profit to potentially be had so it's a legitimate playstyle.

What could be more simple than that?

And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices.

I choose to obstruct mining bumbers choice of forcing people who can't make choices for themselves or even think for themselves to make what seems like the only choice they have while screwing them out of hard earned money.

Unpossible. You didn't actually have a point that post was pretty much just all ranting.

We are not saying it isn't a legitimate playstyle. We just choose to oppose it.



And everybody else's is not?

Please, I literally just went through an entire post of yours refuting all your ideas and arguments. You want me to respond to everything you say?

OK so I read this and honestly it sounds like you nicked it from someone else again because it doesn't seem to have any relevance to the situation at all and I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense.

Take it up with CCP then. Following one's own advice...it just seems so...Ghandi.

Recited regurgitated crap from your website. I read it, it makes sense but I still disagree. Re-word it however you like, a turd is still a turd no matter how much you polish it. If you can't except my opinion and continue to force your "power" to control others to your line of thinking then fine. I refuse to feed into your tyranny.


You forgot the quote that this quote was in response to...

CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

Ironically, if that quote were included, you wouldn't have been able to quote it in this high-quality post.

So the olive branch you offer the bumpers to dissuade them from their "beliefs" is actually a stick of poison sumac?

My money is on the bumpers, here, then.

Thanks, Ghandilocks.

Ha Ha... good ones. Nice try though. You can't troll a troller.

Thanks guys! I missed my lunch break but I was entertained.

I think you should have a look at my signature.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

I see you understand my signuature with equal accuity as your comprehension of Ghandi!

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

I doubt the veracity of that statement.

WOW

I'll say it again.. even backwards..

WOW

ISD... plz don't lock this post ever cuz I want to come here for lulz when I'm feeling blue...

EDIT: Tagged as favorite so i can see Torvin torched

the right to afk mine
torvin yulus
the proveldteriat papers

(SNIP)...
later, Monkey would learn that there was a time when anyone could go afk mine ina belt for free. there were independent miners who mined thousands of units of ice a day without Goonswarm Financial Grants. but by 2012 both CCP and the goons had begun charging permits to acess ice. By 2015, ice mining without a mining permit was a bannable offense.

(SNIP)...
of course if James 316 or the goons ever found out about this, it would be curtains for not only those 2 but 1000 others for making ane xample. CCP policy was to not sell PLEX to anyone on the goon blacklist so that they wouldn't be able to keep playing anymore.

The future of 2015 is coming, do not let it happen!
PRoveldetariat!

Nice use of pseudo-intelligents.

Veracity - how true something is when compared to facts. (going from the top of my head as I'm sure you just looked that up to find a big word and try to throw me off)

As for my other post:
Based on your website, www.miningbumbers.com, it stands up to the facts quite well.

I'm not a mining bumper, nor do I support the new order.

And no, I mostly used that as a fancy way to say that I think you're lying about not being a troll. This post of yours also confirms it.

Edit: You also keep spelling bumpers wrong in the URL. As I have no idea where that site is going to lead, I'm not going to click it.

Miners complain to CCP to change something they don't like. Other people do something themselves while having fun and extracting tears at the same time.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

ditto

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

I read it and made a post about 1s later. How much thought could be achieved in 1 second?

Apparently a lot if that's what you got from a 1 word post saying the same thing that was quoted. It still doesn't mean I agree completely with the statement. Just too lazy to type and edit myself.

OK, so could you drop the "campaign against AFK mining" bullshit and say you're having fun extracting tears? I can handle that. Straightforward bullying, griefing and lulzing are a part of the game. It's that "we are doing a community service by ridding the game of AFK mining" bullshit that's annoying.

James 315 publishes regular financials to his investors.

Sadly, you are mistaken again.

It's ok though, all you have to do to end the streak is say, "I was wrong."

Let me get this straight:

You'd rather be bullied than be wrong about what's good for Eve?

That's impressive dedication right there!

You continue to ignore the potential gains from the miners' failed resolve yielding 10M ISK for a permit.

Game unbroken. Mining may continue as usual.

Why do you continue to ignore the possibility for financial gain and just imply this is broken?

Do you hate the sandbox?

The streak will not end as it really has no beginning.

Are those 'regular financials' legitimate ?

edit: I'm sure the numbers are quite low.

The idea just simply fails utterly.

Post proof.

To equal my daily income from other activities...can one really make 20 people do this EVERY SINGLE DAY for the REST of the game's lifetime ?

These miner bumping guys got their "code" from these to 2 websites.

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/06/pseudo-profundity-from-believing.html
and
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

It's all just tricky wording.

edit:Warning: explicit language on websites.

Things are probably worse than you realize. It isn't a campaign against AFK mining. Its a campaign against all the things that let AFK mining safely exist and the recent changes to mining ships that made it explode. Its a campaign against the turning of Highsec into a safe playground where you can go from belt to belt and see nothing but herds of peacefully grazing Retrievers and Mackinaws.

Hey, maybe you'll get so good at counter-bumping that you will manage to stop the bumpers!

Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?

Your logic is not logic.

Could you please post extracts that demonstrate your point? Both of those websites are filtered by my internet service.

Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?

Your logic is not logic.

Post-modern pseudo-profundity

Sadly, some corners of the academia are dominated by intellectuals whose writing amounts to little than pseudo-profundity. Strip away the academic jargon and pseudo-scientific references from their impressive-sounding pronouncements and youGÇÖll find thereGÇÖs precious little left.

Those thinkers often referred to as GÇ£post-modernGÇ¥ include more than their fair share of such jargon-fuelled poseurs. So easy is it, in fact, to produce convincing-looking post-modern gobbledegook that a wag called Andrew Bulhak constructed a computer programme that will write you your own GÇ£post-modernGÇ¥ essay, complete with references. For the Postmodern Essay Generator, go to:

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

In the year 2012, after Torvins exotic post about the future, The Mittani himself started a new high sec group to work along side Miniluv. It was to help those newbies in need before they get sucked into the fold of AFK mining.

By your logic, the purpose of bumping physics is to bump.

Thanks again for playing. Here's your consolation prize:

A one-week all-expenses paid trip to the beautiful system of Rancer!