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Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:21:00 -
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This mechanic is kinda lame. I really hope CCP looks at this and give us an "auto-upgrade" option whenever our SP > current clone.
But yeah, worse case scenario would be forgetting to upgrade and losing 99% of your SP. I wouldn't play Eve again if that ever happened. Has it ever happened to anyone? |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
130
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:26:00 -
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No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk. |
David Campbell
Riposte.
33
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:21:00 -
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Schalac wrote:No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk.
Don't blame it on alcohol, the result would probably have been very similar had you been sober  |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
130
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:27:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Schalac wrote:No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk. Don't blame it on alcohol, the result would probably have been very similar had you been sober
If I was sober I would of jumped my scouts in first and had my combat fleet webbing my freighter. Since I was drunk I forgot I was jumping into lowsec because I had the warning turned off ><. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
334
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:35:00 -
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What about the part where you forgot to update your clone? Would sobriety have fixed that?
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Diesel47
painkiller.
310
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Posted - 2012.11.14 15:05:00 -
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This one time i died and my clone wasn't up to date i lost like 15mil sp.
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Soulless Brutor
Providence Directorate
Kraken.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:51:00 -
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I once died forgot to update my clone lost part of carrier 5  |
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2012.11.16 19:22:00 -
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I am currently training AWU 5
for the third time.
I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
Serptimis
Reds in Local
46
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Posted - 2012.11.16 19:47:00 -
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Large Energy turret V  stupid brandy  |
Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.11.16 21:55:00 -
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The actual lesson here is know what you're talking about before complaining. Glad to see you went back and did further research, thus negating your complaint. |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
135
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:09:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What about the part where you forgot to update your clone? Would sobriety have fixed that? Very possibly, except that I always play with a beer in hand. Or a bottle of some fine sugar cane rum. Or maybe a handle of some good tequila. I don't play EVE sober very often.
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Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:47:00 -
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once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
371
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Posted - 2012.11.17 15:11:00 -
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Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly)
I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V
Hello Shelley09 o/ |
JackknifedII
Battlestar Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.17 23:37:00 -
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I lost minmatar BSV which completely screwed up my training queue for 21 days.
Only a few hours until I get it back though.
Minmatar....we are generally unpleasent to be around....
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
655
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Posted - 2012.11.18 00:13:00 -
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yup, lost mining barges V.
mining is how i make my isk. that was a pain.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.11.18 16:00:00 -
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A long time ago yes. Wasn't a very important skill I lost though. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy
In Umbra Mortis
207
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Posted - 2012.11.18 18:10:00 -
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Adv spaceship command V. I was not happy. I did however, learn my lesson. ;P |
Eternal Corrosion
Hole In The Space
0
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Posted - 2012.11.18 18:47:00 -
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Amarr cruiser V
Once i lost a clone 2 times, one by mistake, not updated and after that i self destructed (also forgetting to update, so...2... i lost like 14m sp but CCP fixed it and i only lost a 10% of my currently had(if i remember it ritght)
So...
xD
Long time ago... |
Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:26:00 -
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Even though I don't like the games which hold hands of players all the way, a feature which enforces players to remember a regular job which is required NOT TO loose some of your progress, is a very very bad game design.
This never happened to me, however I really don't know what this feature adds to this game apart from the demotivation it creates. If it's a ISK sink, it should be able to set automatic (like rents). |
Odysseus Alter
Genco
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:32:00 -
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I agree ^
I don't like the SP system and I don't like losing SP. I spend to much time plan, updating and paying for subscription to just lost it to a monotonous task this makes for bad game play.
Looking threw past posts on the subject the people who dislike it looked to trolls and tear hungry narcissists.
I want to fly spaceships and do fun things not play the SP game, it is true I joined EVE it did not join me. I believe all games systems must improve or you should go and play your Pong.
Why wouldn't the clone just automatically update, I don't see why this has to be a manual task or could I just set it to auto upgrade. The medical menu could just pop-up when you are podded or need a to update. Why have different clone types at all?  |
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Whisperen
That's Not A Knife
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:08:00 -
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Losing recon 5 was a rage inducing moment. But i lost it because of my own stupidity by not getting someone to scout before undocking at a station with no medical services after getting podded. Without loss there is no value and a eve like game with no value attached to anything already exists its called sisi. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
720
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:20:00 -
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SP loss mechanics have been nerfed a few times and there is a lot of outdated information on the net that people get scared about.
AFAIK the current mechanic is that you lose 5% of the difference between your current clone and your total SP from the skill you have most SP trained in or 50% of the SP in that skill whichever is lower.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Enik3
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:27:00 -
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I got podded in my home system once and in search of immediate revenge I hopped into another ship to join the others in my gang. An hour later I was back in station when EVEMon started warning me about an insufficient clone. I definitely dodged a bullet there |
SaltyandSweet
Parallax Shift
The Periphery
39
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:46:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V Hello Shelley09 o/
i once ha the pleasure of hearing one of those rage sessions, was too funny.
Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE! |
Vishael Hepila
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 09:48:00 -
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lost Mining Barge V. Didn't want that skill anyway, nothing more then an embarressment |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens
Rookie Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:17:00 -
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Thank god you dont loose all sp that clone dosent cover. only like 5% of whats not covered.
[Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Obvious Cyno
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:33:00 -
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I lost 2/3 of amarr bs5. It was a sad day. I retrained it and it wont happen again.
Its all part of the live and learn Eve process and I wouldn't ever change that. |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:39:00 -
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I lost Jump Calibration 5 once. That was painful. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
925
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:08:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:SP loss mechanics have been nerfed a few times and there is a lot of outdated information on the net that people get needlessly scared about.
AFAIK the current mechanic is that you lose 5% of the difference between your current clone and your total SP from the skill you have most SP trained in or 50% of the SP in that skill - whichever is lower.
So the highest possible SP loss due to a single death would be 2.048m SP (half of a rank 16 skill).
While I have no problem with SP loss, it's kind of a convoluted and not well documented thing.
Spent a week PVPing in C6-C5s with a none upgraded clone (which covers what, 100k sp?) and 96m skill points once. I was very very lucky and didn't get podded. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:22:00 -
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The first and only time I did it, I had been in a fleet the friday before, been killed and podded first in the fight (Yay for alphabet target-calling), and logged off in a rage after clone jumping into my +5 learning implant clone, then went away for the weekend. Came back monday, leapt straight into a fleet, and was again killed and podded first in the fight. Annoyance at again missing out on the fight, turned into anger when I saw the clone notification and my lost AWU V, to embarrassment when I realised I didn't have a clone with learning implants any more.
Icing on the cake? The skillpoint reimbursement for learning skills was in that weeks patch, and I ended up using all my reimbursement points to get AWU V back. Haven't made the same mistake since. |
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