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Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:21:00 -
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This mechanic is kinda lame. I really hope CCP looks at this and give us an "auto-upgrade" option whenever our SP > current clone.
But yeah, worse case scenario would be forgetting to upgrade and losing 99% of your SP. I wouldn't play Eve again if that ever happened. Has it ever happened to anyone? |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
130
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:26:00 -
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No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk. |
David Campbell
Riposte.
33
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:21:00 -
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Schalac wrote:No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk.
Don't blame it on alcohol, the result would probably have been very similar had you been sober  |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
130
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:27:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Schalac wrote:No it hasn't, because when you have a clone that is out of date the only SP you lose is like 30% of your highest ranked skill. I lost Freighter 5 once because of it and only had to train another 10 days or so to get it back. Course that is what I get for flying a freighter into lowsec drunk. Don't blame it on alcohol, the result would probably have been very similar had you been sober
If I was sober I would of jumped my scouts in first and had my combat fleet webbing my freighter. Since I was drunk I forgot I was jumping into lowsec because I had the warning turned off ><. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
334
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:35:00 -
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What about the part where you forgot to update your clone? Would sobriety have fixed that?
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Diesel47
painkiller.
310
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Posted - 2012.11.14 15:05:00 -
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This one time i died and my clone wasn't up to date i lost like 15mil sp.
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Soulless Brutor
Providence Directorate
Kraken.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:51:00 -
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I once died forgot to update my clone lost part of carrier 5  |
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2012.11.16 19:22:00 -
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I am currently training AWU 5
for the third time.
I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
Serptimis
Reds in Local
46
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Posted - 2012.11.16 19:47:00 -
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Large Energy turret V  stupid brandy  |
Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.11.16 21:55:00 -
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The actual lesson here is know what you're talking about before complaining. Glad to see you went back and did further research, thus negating your complaint. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
135
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:09:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What about the part where you forgot to update your clone? Would sobriety have fixed that? Very possibly, except that I always play with a beer in hand. Or a bottle of some fine sugar cane rum. Or maybe a handle of some good tequila. I don't play EVE sober very often.
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Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:47:00 -
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once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
371
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Posted - 2012.11.17 15:11:00 -
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Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly)
I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V
Hello Shelley09 o/ |
JackknifedII
Battlestar Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.17 23:37:00 -
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I lost minmatar BSV which completely screwed up my training queue for 21 days.
Only a few hours until I get it back though.
Minmatar....we are generally unpleasent to be around....
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
655
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Posted - 2012.11.18 00:13:00 -
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yup, lost mining barges V.
mining is how i make my isk. that was a pain.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.11.18 16:00:00 -
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A long time ago yes. Wasn't a very important skill I lost though. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy
In Umbra Mortis
207
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Posted - 2012.11.18 18:10:00 -
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Adv spaceship command V. I was not happy. I did however, learn my lesson. ;P |
Eternal Corrosion
Hole In The Space
0
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Posted - 2012.11.18 18:47:00 -
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Amarr cruiser V
Once i lost a clone 2 times, one by mistake, not updated and after that i self destructed (also forgetting to update, so...2... i lost like 14m sp but CCP fixed it and i only lost a 10% of my currently had(if i remember it ritght)
So...
xD
Long time ago... |
Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:26:00 -
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Even though I don't like the games which hold hands of players all the way, a feature which enforces players to remember a regular job which is required NOT TO loose some of your progress, is a very very bad game design.
This never happened to me, however I really don't know what this feature adds to this game apart from the demotivation it creates. If it's a ISK sink, it should be able to set automatic (like rents). |
Odysseus Alter
Genco
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:32:00 -
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I agree ^
I don't like the SP system and I don't like losing SP. I spend to much time plan, updating and paying for subscription to just lost it to a monotonous task this makes for bad game play.
Looking threw past posts on the subject the people who dislike it looked to trolls and tear hungry narcissists.
I want to fly spaceships and do fun things not play the SP game, it is true I joined EVE it did not join me. I believe all games systems must improve or you should go and play your Pong.
Why wouldn't the clone just automatically update, I don't see why this has to be a manual task or could I just set it to auto upgrade. The medical menu could just pop-up when you are podded or need a to update. Why have different clone types at all?  |
Whisperen
That's Not A Knife
19
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:08:00 -
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Losing recon 5 was a rage inducing moment. But i lost it because of my own stupidity by not getting someone to scout before undocking at a station with no medical services after getting podded. Without loss there is no value and a eve like game with no value attached to anything already exists its called sisi. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
720
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Posted - 2013.01.26 11:20:00 -
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SP loss mechanics have been nerfed a few times and there is a lot of outdated information on the net that people get scared about.
AFAIK the current mechanic is that you lose 5% of the difference between your current clone and your total SP from the skill you have most SP trained in or 50% of the SP in that skill whichever is lower.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Enik3
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
75
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:27:00 -
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I got podded in my home system once and in search of immediate revenge I hopped into another ship to join the others in my gang. An hour later I was back in station when EVEMon started warning me about an insufficient clone. I definitely dodged a bullet there |
SaltyandSweet
Parallax Shift
The Periphery
39
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:46:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V Hello Shelley09 o/
i once ha the pleasure of hearing one of those rage sessions, was too funny.
Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE! |
Vishael Hepila
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.01.30 09:48:00 -
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lost Mining Barge V. Didn't want that skill anyway, nothing more then an embarressment |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens
Rookie Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:17:00 -
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Thank god you dont loose all sp that clone dosent cover. only like 5% of whats not covered.
[Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Obvious Cyno
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:33:00 -
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I lost 2/3 of amarr bs5. It was a sad day. I retrained it and it wont happen again.
Its all part of the live and learn Eve process and I wouldn't ever change that. |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
92
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:39:00 -
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I lost Jump Calibration 5 once. That was painful. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
925
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Posted - 2013.01.31 10:08:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:SP loss mechanics have been nerfed a few times and there is a lot of outdated information on the net that people get needlessly scared about.
AFAIK the current mechanic is that you lose 5% of the difference between your current clone and your total SP from the skill you have most SP trained in or 50% of the SP in that skill - whichever is lower.
So the highest possible SP loss due to a single death would be 2.048m SP (half of a rank 16 skill).
While I have no problem with SP loss, it's kind of a convoluted and not well documented thing.
Spent a week PVPing in C6-C5s with a none upgraded clone (which covers what, 100k sp?) and 96m skill points once. I was very very lucky and didn't get podded. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:22:00 -
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The first and only time I did it, I had been in a fleet the friday before, been killed and podded first in the fight (Yay for alphabet target-calling), and logged off in a rage after clone jumping into my +5 learning implant clone, then went away for the weekend. Came back monday, leapt straight into a fleet, and was again killed and podded first in the fight. Annoyance at again missing out on the fight, turned into anger when I saw the clone notification and my lost AWU V, to embarrassment when I realised I didn't have a clone with learning implants any more.
Icing on the cake? The skillpoint reimbursement for learning skills was in that weeks patch, and I ended up using all my reimbursement points to get AWU V back. Haven't made the same mistake since. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2013.02.01 16:34:00 -
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There's no gameplay benefit whatsoever to upgrading ~clone grade~ except not getting robbed out of possibly entire weeks of training time. The game can't even be arsed to provide a popup offering the upgrade. The only purpose of that mechanic is to provide a way for thing to go very wrong against you.
I'm laughing at you all and your beaten wife syndrome. Sorry guys but you got robbed sideways and beaten to a pulp but it's OK. You deserved it?
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Xuixien
Amarrian Vengeance
24eme Legion Etrangere
247
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Posted - 2013.02.02 02:04:00 -
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I think it's an outdated game mechanic TBH. Also if you think about it, it's penalizing you financially (because CCP has stated that you pay for the skill queue).
Everyone vs Everyone
Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
Larloch TheAncient
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
What Alliance
44
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:42:00 -
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Once, but never again...
Those are lessons you don't forget once learned. |
Sheela36
0
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:49:00 -
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Lost Capital Ships V. 1.7m SP loss. That really hurt. Finished retraining and bought the Titan skill I had been putting off buying. |
STSxLight
Corporate Scum
Test Friends Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:37:00 -
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For me it was weapon upg 5 a few days ago. Druk hunting fw people.killing,got killed selfdistruct pod a few times then saw i have a cpu problem on a fit..guess what i am training now?
"Oh, you think nullsec is your ally. But you merely adopted nullsec; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!" |
Shelley09
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
10
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:12:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V Hello Shelley09 o/
hey,hyey ,hey that thrasher looked funny , and i didn't need that nway :D |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
104
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Posted - 2013.02.28 16:39:00 -
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Yup.
As a newb I carebeared enough to outfit a half dozen Rifters and proceeded to Amamake for a FrigFry. My first attempt at PvP other than being wet willied every time I dared cross out of high sec at that point.
I died in a nanosecond, leaving less value in my faitfit loot than the price of the ammo to kill me. The HA guy even asked if I had implants before shooting my pod. I boldly told him to do it, I could skip slowboating back for another ship that way. Haha, I thought- surely this pirate will be impressed with my fearless plucking of death's own beard!
He wasn't
He hit F1 and I woke up in a vat. I jumped in another ship and rushed back for more suicide with pod goo still damp behind my ears.
Being new to PvP at the time, I had simply not had to remember to update my clone immediately. Now I rarely undock before at least checking it's up to date. It's like trying to milk a bull- you only make that mistake once before the error of your ways becomes abundantly clear.
Luckily I was a newb, so the loss wasn't bad. I lost the ability to fly my Amarr Interceptors, which hurt. Had a hangar full of Maledictions I suddenly couldn't fly. But all the training for the ships I was flying were really easy to get back. I lost maybe 2mil SP I'm guessing.
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Bullitbait
High Flyers
Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.02 03:48:00 -
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Odysseus Alter wrote:I agree ^ ... Why have different clone types at all?
+ 1
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Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D
199
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Posted - 2013.03.02 07:13:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Kn1v3s 999 wrote:once up on a time i lost 1M SP (Gal BS V exactly) I looked at my old corps killboard to see a guy (mentioning no names) had been podded twice in 10 minutes. Knowing the guy, i logged onto comms and asked him what skill he had lost. It hadnt occurred to him that he had so after telling him where to look comms went quiet, then "****". He also lost gal bs V Hello Shelley09 o/
Shelley09 possibly the nicest bloke in fw. I miss you draconis guys
TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |
Angelique Duchemin
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.03.02 11:23:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What about the part where you forgot to update your clone? Would sobriety have fixed that?
That's a good point. The story only explains why he died once. He would have had to die, not upgrade the clone and then die again. One of those would have happened while sober.
When the priest killed a maiden in the metal church.
Armored saints and warlocks watched the slaughter.
Rage of the slayer forced the pretty maids
To kiss the queen in crimson glory |
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