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Paranoch EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:34:00 - [1] - Quote 1- When is the split to racial BC/destroyer gonna occur? 4th december? later? sooner? 2- All i need to do to get the most SP possible out of the split s to have BC's/destro at V? What about cruiser racial skill? does it have an influence. eg: I have BC V + Amarr cruiser 3 (ONLY this cruiser racial skill) I KNOW i will get amarr BC racial skill V, but will i get Caldari/other BC V???? even though i dont have the cruiser skill 3 required to operate BC's from caldari, etc because of the cruiser skill? 3- Its a bit like question 2 but i'm here for clarity, soo... All i SHOULD start training now is BC/Destro to V? or all the Cruisers to 3 aswell. 4-Im a relatively new player and only have used 1 REMAP (focus on int/mem) , soo i have 2 available. Should i Remap to perception/willpower in order to rush BC/destro V? ty for ur time answering in advance, and sorry if this question has already been asked 1000000x times :( Fly safe Paranoch
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1600	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:37:00 - [2] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149084#post2149084
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 639	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:38:00 - [3] - Quote Paranoch wrote: 1- When is the split to racial BC/destroyer gonna occur? 4th december? later? sooner? 2- All i need to do to get the most SP possible out of the split s to have BC's/destro at V? What about cruiser racial skill? does it have an influence. eg: I have BC V + Amarr cruiser 3 (ONLY this cruiser racial skill) I KNOW i will get amarr BC racial skill V, but will i get Caldari/other BC V???? even though i dont have the cruiser skill 3 required to operate BC's from caldari, etc because of the cruiser skill? 3- Its a bit like question 2 but i'm here for clarity, soo... All i SHOULD start training now is BC/Destro to V? or all the Cruisers to 3 aswell. 4-Im a relatively new player and only have used 1 REMAP (focus on int/mem) , soo i have 2 available. Should i Remap do perception/willpower in order to rush BC/destro V? ty for ur time answering in advance, and sorry if this question has already been asked 1000000x times :( Fly safe A recent Devblog started warning us to train for BC V and Dessie V NOW. They have also indicted that you will be able to fly any ship you can currently fly, which to me indicates that you would be wise to get all the cruisers up to 3 ASAP, especially since this isn't a huge time investment. I dont think the changes are coming in for December 4th, so you should still have time to do all this without needing to remap, but hey, if you got 'em why not use 'em? :)
Malgalad Phoenix Legion Industries 2	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:39:00 - [4] - Quote i'm going on the "if you can fly it now you can fly it after" comment that was made, so i've train on both my toons accordingly so i can jump in any BC. so if you want to make sure oyu can fly all the BC's i'd train the cruiser skill to 3 as well. as technically you can't fly a race's BC without it.
Keen Fallsword Skyway Patrol 83	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:40:00 - [5] - Quote Are you troling Sir ?
ACE McFACE 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 874	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:40:00 - [6] - Quote Paranoch wrote: 1- When is the split to racial BC/destroyer gonna occur? 4th december? later? sooner? Later 2- All i need to do to get the most SP possible out of the split s to have BC's/destro at V? What about cruiser racial skill? does it have an influence. eg: I have BC V + Amarr cruiser 3 (ONLY this cruiser racial skill) I KNOW i will get amarr BC racial skill V, but will i get Caldari/other BC V???? even though i dont have the cruiser skill 3 required to operate BC's from caldari, etc because of the cruiser skill? Im not sure about this because CCP said you can fly what you can now after the change but then they say you need Racial Crusier III to get Racial BC [Whatever your BC level was before the change] 3- Its a bit like question 2 but i'm here for clarity, soo... All i SHOULD start training now is BC/Destro to V? or all the Cruisers to 3 aswell. May as well to maximise the amount of SP you'll get for free 4-Im a relatively new player and only have used 1 REMAP (focus on int/mem) , soo i have 2 available. Should i Remap do perception/willpower in order to rush BC/destro V? I would say yes, seeing as gunnery and missile skills also use perception and willpower so you can use it for them too and you have a spare one just in case ty for ur time answering in advance, and sorry if this question has already been asked 1000000x times :( Fly safe "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic."
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 276	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:45:00 - [7] - Quote In all fairness to EVE and what it is about, if you are festering over 2 or 3 weeks of cruiser skills you will end up with a fail fit BC anyway. If you can't fly a Talos now, it's a good chance you can't fit it either.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 191	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote I remapped ahead of schedule to make sure I had BC 5 and all four Cruiser skills to 3 for this. Star Jump Drive
Paranoch EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:51:00 - [9] - Quote Ocih wrote: In all fairness to EVE and what it is about, if you are festering over 2 or 3 weeks of cruiser skills you will end up with a fail fit BC anyway. If you can't fly a Talos now, it's a good chance you can't fit it either. U don't say sherlock... I know that, but it's totally different if 4/5 months from now i wanna jump from my harby to a drake and i have to train caldari BC's. I'm totally aware that im still a long way from properly fitting a BC, any BC
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 276	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote Paranoch wrote: Ocih wrote: In all fairness to EVE and what it is about, if you are festering over 2 or 3 weeks of cruiser skills you will end up with a fail fit BC anyway. If you can't fly a Talos now, it's a good chance you can't fit it either. U don't say sherlock... I know that, but it's totally different if 4/5 months from now i wanna jump from my harby to a drake and i have to train caldari BC's. I'm totally aware that im still a long way from properly fitting a BC, any BC And this skill change is the driving force behind that thinking? It's good that you are forward thinking but this should be a no brainer. Cruiser 3 x 4. Or you want to pick a forum fight. I can wait for your reply and at that point I will be happy to give you one. Oh and I'm docked in Ommare if you'd rather go that route. - disclaimer: No I'm not trying to bully you. No need to feel threatened if you are a new player. It's hard to inflect intent in a forum. You or me.
Shederov Blood Wrecketeers 223	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:30:00 - [11] - Quote Paranoch wrote: 1- When is the split to racial BC/destroyer gonna occur? 4th december? later? sooner? Will not happen in Retribution.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote Apparently EVE Uni doesn't teach people how to read dev blogs.
Beekeeper Bob Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 289	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:41:00 - [13] - Quote Search is over-rated? "Paranoia is the number one killer of idiots and Republicans."
Paranoch EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:42:00 - [14] - Quote K, soo from what im gathering i SHOULD have all racial frigs/cruiser skills +BC 5 by Jan 1 just too be sure...
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 450	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:42:00 - [15] - Quote This again. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Oopsy Bear Massively Masochistic Machos 7	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:47:00 - [16] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: This again. The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare. By using a handful of examples and a textual description instead of a clear and concise table they virtually guaranteed an endless series of posts asking for the clear description they should have provided in the first place.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:51:00 - [17] - Quote Oopsy Bear wrote: The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare. No, but it's pretty clear and concise. "You will still be able to fly what you can fly now" should tell you exactly what you need to know. The time frame may be vague, but that's normal development. At least they're telling you to start now.
Oopsy Bear Massively Masochistic Machos 7	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Oopsy Bear wrote: The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare. No, but it's pretty clear and concise. And yet we've seen enough posts on this topic for people to be sick of them.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:57:00 - [19] - Quote Oopsy Bear wrote: And yet we've seen enough posts on this topic for people to be sick of them. EVE Uni. vOv
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 781	Posted - 2012.11.13 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote And people /completely/ ignoring the dev posts on the thread attached to the dev blog. Funny that. Everyone seems to think they're asking totally new questions. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 500	Posted - 2012.11.14 00:15:00 - [21] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: And people /completely/ ignoring the dev posts on the thread attached to the dev blog. Funny that. Everyone seems to think they're asking totally new questions. "let me google that for you" wouldn't actually be a thing if most people weren't like that. using google is :work: while looking like an idiot on the forums is fine, because if you actually make them feel bad for being so lazy, they'll just say they were trolling.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2745	Posted - 2012.11.14 05:01:00 - [22] - Quote Oopsy Bear wrote: Some Rando wrote: Oopsy Bear wrote: The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare. No, but it's pretty clear and concise. And yet we've seen enough posts on this topic for people to be sick of them. To be honest they could have tatoo'd a neon spreadsheet on Angelina Jolie's left butt cheek with descriptive notations in 24 different languages... and had an add company come up with a catchy jingle for "if you can fly it now, you can fly it later" played on every major network non stop over the last month... and people would still be asking the same questions. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Kara Vix Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation 70	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:14:00 - [23] - Quote Ah Eve forums, where a new player can politely ask a question and get flamed and threatened by forum muppets. So impressive!
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 61	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:46:00 - [24] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Oopsy Bear wrote: The dev blog isn't exactly Shakespeare. No, but it's pretty clear and concise. "You will still be able to fly what you can fly now" should tell you exactly what you need to know. The time frame may be vague, but that's normal development. At least they're telling you to start now. It's the timeframe that's the annoying part. I agree, no dev can tell you when it will go live with certainty, however "absolutely 100% not before XXX" is much more realistic to be able to say. The only date we've had for that is Dec 4th, we could stand to have a date a little further out - preferably stickied//added to an updated blog. BC V is a few weeks worth and since the dev updates say you only get given complete skills, it's fair to say we need a minimum of the time it would take to go IV > V with an off map, a minimum. Spending 22 of the 23 days needed (for example) only to miss the deadline and lose those three weeks worth of training would be rather galling
Jurias Caldari Provisions Caldari State 21	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:39:00 - [25] - Quote The dev blog only says something along the lines of "if you can fly it now, you will still be able to fly It after the changes". The blog does not specify whether if you have Destroyer and Battlecruisers to 5 and are eligible to fly all of the racial types now, whether you will be granted all of the racial Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills to 5 after the changes, or whether you will gain reimbursement on those skills to top up whichever of the racial skills you desire (which reading between the lines, you may only be granted level 2 or 3 on those respectively - yes think about it, regardless of whether you fly interdictors and command ships now). In defense of the OP, the dev blog is still open to a certain degree interpretation, regardless of what any forum warriors think they know. This needs a dev response. A table is a good idea too, as it removes ambiguity.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 537	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:46:00 - [26] - Quote I trained those skills up on 2 accounts back in May right before Inferno, how people haven't gotten around to doing them yet is beyond me This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Morrigan LeSante The Lost and Forgotten Troopers 61	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:10:00 - [27] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: I trained those skills up on 2 accounts back in May right before Inferno, how people haven't gotten around to doing them yet is beyond me Because I had better things to train than skills for hulls I don't fly.....?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10323	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:47:00 - [28] - Quote Jurias wrote: The dev blog only says something along the lines of "if you can fly it now, you will still be able to fly It after the changes". GÇªand has a GÇ£commentGÇ¥ link where the devs have posted comments. There was pretty much no ambiguity in the original statement; the question was answered back in spring when it was first brought up; it was answered again in the comment thread. Quote: This needs a dev response. Good thing that, between now and the first time the whole thing was brought up back in March, the devs have responded, ohGÇª several dozen times. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Jurias Caldari Provisions Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.11.14 13:03:00 - [29] - Quote That's all well and good, but you shouldn't have to trawl the forums or wade through tons of comments for information which should be presented clearly and concisely in the announcement. Things may also have changed since the previous statement so we expect new information to override old as well as be complete. Thanks for posting your tripe.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2749	Posted - 2012.11.14 15:24:00 - [30] - Quote Jurias wrote: That's all well and good, but you shouldn't have to trawl the forums or wade through tons of comments for information which should be presented clearly and concisely in the announcement. Things may also have changed since the previous statement so we expect new information to override old as well as be complete. Thanks for posting your tripe. Translation: I would like the same concise information repeated several times so that I can really be sure.... People are really over thinking this, it's incredibly simple. If you can fly all BC's/destoyers at level 5 before, it will be the same afterwards. You won't be given prerequisit skills you don't already have, nor will you need them. Seriously, if you plan on needing to fly all 4 races ships up through the BC level, and are willing to spend the years necessary to be able to do this competently, then take a few weeks and knock yourselves out. You've already had several months to do so. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.

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