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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Noriath on 18/04/2005 16:04:54
So what? Stop quoting half the freakin board and get over yourself.
Fact is and remains, training guns takes a lot longer then training EW, and the claim that it's unfair because half of the gun-skills work for all races is just ridiculous!
And EW skills are not exclusively for Caldari either, other races can use them now, and if they want to do it well they have to get the exact same skills.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Alithieniel Cascade
I dont feel like wasting 2 months on training Caldari BS to lvl5 and EW to lvl5.
And whats the big deal? You can no longer use a cheap alt with a scorpion?
How about getting Dominix up to its full Drone potential?
BS V, Scount Drone V, Heavy Drone V, Drones V, Drone Interfacing V... 2x rank 1, 2x rank 5, 1x rank 8.
Averaging around 5 days for lvl5 in a rank one skill, that's ~100 Days skill training ahead.
Point is if you want to excel at a particular role you have to specialize...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:54:00 -
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And lets nor forget, a Dominix will still need large turrets in order to acctually deal enough damage to kill anything, and also needs more support skills then anyone else since it has the smallest BS grid in the game. And once you have trained all of the skills you need to make a Dominix work it's still a bad ship and can't solo level 4 missions.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
And lets nor forget, a Dominix will still need large turrets in order to acctually deal enough damage to kill anything, and also needs more support skills then anyone else since it has the smallest BS grid in the game. And once you have trained all of the skills you need to make a Dominix work it's still a bad ship and can't solo level 4 missions.
It needs more support skills because you need engineering 5? Oh NOES, no other battleship in the game needs THAT.
The dominix could possibly use 500 more base grid, and I'd like another highslot (not a turret). Thats about it though.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:16:00 -
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Cap skills, sensor skills, navigation skills... There is a lot more then just engineering that you have to consider. Who doesn't have engineering 5?
Sure, every ship benefits from them, but even though you appearantly found some way to gank people in a Dominix it's not the best ship in the universe...
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
but even though you appearantly found some way to gank people in a Dominix it's not the best ship in the universe...
I thought the whole point of balance was that it was not supposed to be.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:37:00 -
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What in the blazes are you talking about?
Balance in an MMORPG means that you have the same chances to succeed no matter what your personal preference is.
People who's personal preference is drones don't get the option of spending 120 millions on a ship that is comperable to other Tier 2 battleships, so there is an imbalance.
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Admiral Yatta
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Yatta on 18/04/2005 18:59:02
Nonsense, Noriath, all Bs have specialisms despite being tier 1 or tier 2. I think saying that theres no tier two BS drone option is stupid - its like complaining theres not a destroyer that specialises in drones.
We've got Bs perfect for
-Gank
-Tank
-Drones
-Blasters
-Missiles
-EW
-Sniping
-Jack-of-all-trades.
Seems to me that there's no reason to complain about that - with the pulse nerf, and mega's possibly fitting larger blasters again, we might be pretty close to ultimate BS balance. Just sort the missiles.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:12:00 -
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No, it's not like complaining that there is no destroyer with drone bonuses, it's like complaining that the only battleship that's specialized in drones is not as good as the battleships that specialize in other stuff, like lets say, armor tanking or missiles...
Bottom line is that if you're going for a droneship you end up with a below average battleship that's only a little better then everyone else at deploying a weapon that's not too hot to begin with.
I still love drones, and droneships, but you clearly don't get the same chances to succeed in missions and PvP with them as with pretty much any other approach to combat.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
No, it's not like complaining that there is no destroyer with drone bonuses, it's like complaining that the only battleship that's specialized in drones is not as good as the battleships that specialize in other stuff, like lets say, armor tanking or missiles...
Bottom line is that if you're going for a droneship you end up with a below average battleship that's only a little better then everyone else at deploying a weapon that's not too hot to begin with.
I still love drones, and droneships, but you clearly don't get the same chances to succeed in missions and PvP with them as with pretty much any other approach to combat.
You end up with an underrated ship, not an underpowered one. While slight alterations might not hurt, the battleship is more then fine.
Perhaps you should try enhancing your skills.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:29:00 -
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Nope, seriously, people just don't get it. Missiles aren't going to be "sorted."
It's either impossible or "untenable." There's a difference but the same outcome either way. Some little icelandic CEO, or whomever manages the investors or loan officers is evidently not willing to make the kind of changes that are required for a satisfying fix.
Best to start looking for alternative means of making frigates and cruisers useful seeing that missiles will never be fixed. The more you get your hopes up the more you put yourself in line to be disappointed.
(For the record, I still like my idea of 10x speed, longer range turrets, and orbitting at 20-30km and slightly improved battleship shield regen rate all around. Oh, and seep-through hull damage from all hits.)
It's best to just give up your prefered playstyle and just go with the flow until those irritating people finally get bored of what they support.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
Nope, seriously, people just don't get it. Missiles aren't going to be "sorted."
It's either impossible or "untenable." There's a difference but the same outcome either way. Some little icelandic CEO, or whomever manages the investors or loan officers is evidently not willing to make the kind of changes that are required for a satisfying fix.
Best to start looking for alternative means of making frigates and cruisers useful seeing that missiles will never be fixed. The more you get your hopes up the more you put yourself in line to be disappointed.
Tech2 missile gear and missile spec skills will not be put in before the missile rebalance. Turrets got the nerfbat of doom (well, except the megapulse, which got the TomB fellatio of ub3rn3ss) before tech2 was implemented, and missiles will get the same fun.
I have confidence that missiles will get smacked with the nerfbat, and noone, not frigates and not ravens, will be happy with the result. Which is the way it should be.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
What in the blazes are you talking about?
Balance in an MMORPG means that you have the same chances to succeed no matter what your personal preference is.
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Hmm no wrong, balance while you might be crap at one thing you are good at another. That is balance...not all equal but equal in differnt ways...one ship rules at close range, another long and other can work in both...your choices are your choices and they make or break your chances...
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 18/04/2005 19:46:41
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I have confidence that missiles will get smacked with the nerfbat, and noone, not frigates and not ravens, will be happy with the result.
Oh, I never said 'nothing' will happen. I just meant that absolutely noone is going to like it and it probably won't do much. It's not just Ravens either. Almost all Battleships have a missile slot or two.
I stand by my previous sentiment.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:41:00 -
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Yea, anything that makes pure missile ships not overpowered will make missiles useless to everyone else. Everything that will leave missiles intact as a usefull secondary weapon for all the other ships in the game will leave missileships unbalanced.
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SghnDubh
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:06:00 -
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Like life, every problem in this game is just a money problem.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:35:00 -
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How is any of that related to money? I mean I already said that in Eve money spent is a crappy standard for balance because some approaches to combat don't even get the option to spend as much as others. 
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