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shags
Marginal Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.16 20:18:00 -
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Low end mineral prices have been steadily rising for the last couple months now to the point that producing tech1 ships of any kind is unprofitable.
What do you guys think is causing this?
Did the changes to barges a while back cause people to stop mining low end ores?
Anything on the horizon that might bring the prices down or will the price of tech 1 ships just need to go up? |

Vargan Armer
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.11.16 20:23:00 -
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Speculation over coming changes in Retribution. You're kind of late to the party. Sadly, not fashionably so. |

Qin Tawate
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.11.16 20:28:00 -
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yep,
I d say so, too. You not late. So far only the price of Tritanium and Pyerite moved up by maybe .10-.20 cent for Tritanium in Jita. The t1 cruisers might need more minerals, like 50 % more, according to Test server blueprints. But I am not sure, how much that might effect the market, because you can built a hell of a lot of cruisers for just one titan. So it might be just speculation, which never kicks off for real or it might be based on hard facts and cruiser need a lot of overall minerals supply. I doubt it ...
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
845
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Posted - 2012.11.16 20:43:00 -
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Low ends are bottlenecked. Extra demand from people building in anticipation of the cruiser changes only worsens the problem, but is not the problem in and of itself. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
246
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Posted - 2012.11.16 21:12:00 -
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Mineral prices are not why T1 ships aren't profitable. T1 ship builders (sellers) are why T1 ships are not profitable.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
342
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Posted - 2012.11.16 22:00:00 -
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Zydrine is up too. Minerals are up, it isn't just Trit. I'm pretty sure Isogen took a spike last week as well.
I don't use spread sheets. I prefer old school, just looking at the markets for half an hr a day so I can't give exact figures. Feels more like a game that way. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.11.16 22:33:00 -
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Highsec miners took their recently buffed up mining ships and parked them afk in the ice belts.
Ice is at record lows, and only moved up over a short lived interdiction.
But since they aren't using these buffed up ships to mine minerals, mineral prices are going to stay high. |

lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
14
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Posted - 2012.11.17 13:01:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Zydrine is up too. Minerals are up, it isn't just Trit. I'm pretty sure Isogen took a spike last week as well.
I don't use spread sheets. I prefer old school, just looking at the markets for half an hr a day so I can't give exact figures. Feels more like a game that way.
Zydrine went up fast when Somer's manufacturer Contiesta placed 100B worth zydrine WTB order in Jita. Few days ago someone unloaded his huge zydrine stockpile, fulfilled the WTB order and zydrine crashed immediately. At the same time, Contiesta's 100B worth WTB orders are still up for nocxium and megacyte and their prices are rising steadily. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
848
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Posted - 2012.11.17 15:44:00 -
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Nocxium has every reason to be rising on its own actually, and in fact was before Contiesta even came along.
And Zyd's crept back up to 850, I'd hardly call it "crashed" yet. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1996
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Posted - 2012.11.17 16:58:00 -
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Zyd did the best thing (like markets do) and took a breather. That's needed for it to resume with renewed strength. Without it, it'd have peaked and crashed very fast.
Nobody seems to have noticed what Mega is doing instead. That's another form of activity (range market) and has stronger effects than a simple swing. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
848
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Posted - 2012.11.17 17:04:00 -
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Most people don't rely on chicken entrails, so I'm not surprised that people "haven't noticed". This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1996
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Posted - 2012.11.17 18:06:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Most people don't rely on chicken entrails, so I'm not surprised that people "haven't noticed".
It's no problem, my ISK has to come from somebody losing it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
14
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:17:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Nocxium has every reason to be rising on its own actually, and in fact was before Contiesta even came along.
And Zyd's crept back up to 850, I'd hardly call it "crashed" yet.
Of course, there are many other factors as well. However, if one opens graphs showing last 10 days of zydrine/nocxium prices, difference (short term) is very clear. Also there are many people atm making their nocxium stockpiles, while few are interested in zydrine and that makes the difference. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
344
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:42:00 -
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lafforet wrote:Skydell wrote:Zydrine is up too. Minerals are up, it isn't just Trit. I'm pretty sure Isogen took a spike last week as well.
I don't use spread sheets. I prefer old school, just looking at the markets for half an hr a day so I can't give exact figures. Feels more like a game that way. Zydrine went up fast when Somer's manufacturer Contiesta placed 100B worth zydrine WTB order in Jita. Few days ago someone unloaded his huge zydrine stockpile, fulfilled the WTB order and zydrine crashed immediately. At the same time, Contiesta's 100B worth WTB orders are still up for nocxium and megacyte and their prices are rising steadily.
So it's either manipulation or they plan to Bomb someone back to 2003. |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
260
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:56:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Highsec miners took their recently buffed up mining ships and parked them afk in the ice belts.
Ice is at record lows, and only moved up over a short lived interdiction.
But since they aren't using these buffed up ships to mine minerals, mineral prices are going to stay high. Seriously??
When I set up my first POS I also started ice mining to supply my own fuel. At that time white glaze was worth about 80k per block. How is the current 120k per block a record low??
Sure GOONS ICE interdiction and the increase in ice miner ganks drove prices up for a while. Now that the ships have been buffed and can not be ganked for profit the prices are coming back down. But are still well above what they were before this all started.
Considering we have seen 75-80% average inflation across the board in the last 2-3 years ICE settling to around 50% might seem a little low. However since ICE mining is now with the ship changes to move tank and more ore hold ICE mining is also easier than ever to AFK.
I doubt the GOONS ever considered that there prolonged HULKAGEDDON and ICE interdiction would result in buffs to mining making AFK activity easier than ever. Well either way they made trillions of isk of manipulating the ICE markets thru their interdiction.
I wonder how much isk GOONS actually have at their disposal. If you added the funds from all their various branches together. I would think there are even only a select few GOONS that could answer that question. 100 Trillion? More? |

Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
11
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Posted - 2012.11.20 19:06:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Most people don't rely on chicken entrails, so I'm not surprised that people "haven't noticed".
With the lack of Econ DEV blogs for the past6+ months, no CCP Diagoras tweeting stats, nor a QEN all the small folks in Eve are pretty much reduced to relying on soothsaying with Turkey entrails to predict Eve's economy  On that note hoppy Thnxgiving week every1  Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. Typical NULL SEC arguement to NERF HI SEC-á-á http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPPqdbcVwM
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.11.20 22:00:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Considering we have seen 75-80% average inflation across the board in the last 2-3 years ICE settling to around 50% might seem a little low.
Might? It is low. Especially considering how much the prices of so many other things have gone up.
And who cares how much combined isk the goons have. As an alliance that throws away a lot of ships fighting wars and stuff, we feel the pinch off high tritanium and pyerite more than most. At least the low isotope prices means we can jump stuff around for cheap now.
I also like the cheap ice because it means my PI pos fuel stuff goes up in value as it becomes the next bottleneck in fuel block production. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
922
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Posted - 2012.11.20 22:13:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Highsec miners took their recently buffed up mining ships and parked them afk in the ice belts.
Ice is at record lows, and only moved up over a short lived interdiction.
But since they aren't using these buffed up ships to mine minerals, mineral prices are going to stay high. Seriously?? When I set up my first POS I also started ice mining to supply my own fuel. At that time white glaze was worth about 80k per block. How is the current 120k per block a record low?? Sure GOONS ICE interdiction and the increase in ice miner ganks drove prices up for a while. Now that the ships have been buffed and can not be ganked for profit the prices are coming back down. But are still well above what they were before this all started. Considering we have seen 75-80% average inflation across the board in the last 2-3 years ICE settling to around 50% might seem a little low. However since ICE mining is now with the ship changes to move tank and more ore hold ICE mining is also easier than ever to AFK. I doubt the GOONS ever considered that there prolonged HULKAGEDDON and ICE interdiction would result in buffs to mining making AFK activity easier than ever. Well either way they made trillions of isk of manipulating the ICE markets thru their interdiction. I wonder how much isk GOONS actually have at their disposal. If you added the funds from all their various branches together. I would think there are even only a select few GOONS that could answer that question. 100 Trillion? More?
the tinfoil contained in this post is delicious. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
670
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:23:00 -
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corestwo wrote:the tinfoil contained in this post is delicious.
you're not meant to eat the tin foil... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Musashi Date
25TH miss
2
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Posted - 2012.11.25 08:35:00 -
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I'm surprised at the Nocxium jump, I have this old list from last 1 1/2 week, and Noc is listed at 650~680 for buyers. Now its at 700~800. Pyroxeres farmers must be happy.. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2019
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Posted - 2012.11.25 10:39:00 -
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Harbingour wrote:corestwo wrote:Most people don't rely on chicken entrails, so I'm not surprised that people "haven't noticed". With the lack of Econ DEV blogs for the past6+ months, no CCP Diagoras tweeting stats, nor a QEN all the small folks in Eve are pretty much reduced to relying on soothsaying with Turkey entrails to predict Eve's economy  On that note hoppy Thnxgiving week every1 
I find it ... entertraining to see people considering themselves traders but who dismiss the very concept of reading prices. It's like shop keepers refusing to know when to buy their stock or doctors refusing to visit their patients because it also involves looking at them, at X-Rays and similar.
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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.26 04:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Harbingour wrote:corestwo wrote:Most people don't rely on chicken entrails, so I'm not surprised that people "haven't noticed". With the lack of Econ DEV blogs for the past6+ months, no CCP Diagoras tweeting stats, nor a QEN all the small folks in Eve are pretty much reduced to relying on soothsaying with Turkey entrails to predict Eve's economy  On that note hoppy Thnxgiving week every1  I find it ... entertraining to see people considering themselves traders but who dismiss the very concept of reading prices. It's like shop keepers refusing to know when to buy their stock or doctors refusing to visit their patients because it also involves looking at them, at X-Rays and similar. Markets cannot be predicted but may be ridden.
It's something to bet on an item to make a quick profit like "oh that item has reached his support price let's buy this one" and to predict how the economy will evolve.
Is there inflation ? Does stockpile exist for that mineral ? How much isk is created every month ?
I would like to see a precise answer to these questions but you cannot deduce it from graphs, like you cannot predict the economy from looking at a stock exchange. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2019
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:16:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote: It's something to bet on an item to make a quick profit like "oh that item has reached his support price let's buy this one" and to predict how the economy will evolve.
Is there inflation ? Does stockpile exist for that mineral ? How much isk is created every month ?
I would like to see a precise answer to these questions but you cannot deduce it from graphs, like you cannot predict the economy from looking at a stock exchange.
I know that, and I know CCP are intentionally hiding the data so that people cannot "predict the economy". That's intentional and good, we have far too powerful players and entities to give them official data to exploit at their advantage. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
930
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:55:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Debra Tao wrote: It's something to bet on an item to make a quick profit like "oh that item has reached his support price let's buy this one" and to predict how the economy will evolve.
Is there inflation ? Does stockpile exist for that mineral ? How much isk is created every month ?
I would like to see a precise answer to these questions but you cannot deduce it from graphs, like you cannot predict the economy from looking at a stock exchange.
I know that, and I know CCP are intentionally hiding the data so that people cannot "predict the economy". That's intentional and good, we have far too powerful players and entities to give them official data to exploit at their advantage.
Uh no. All you know is that Diagoras went quiet. The reason is that he apparently went back to school. Whether he's been replaced, and if so, why his replacement hasn't communicated the way he did, is not known.
I mean, unless you read a chart or something that told you otherwise. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2020
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:36:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Uh no. You believe CCP is intentionally hiding the data because you believe that the willingness to pore over such data gives certain players and entities (  ) an unfair advantage, even if said data is publicly available. All you know is that Diagoras went quiet. The reason is that he apparently went back to school. Whether he's been replaced, and if so, why his replacement hasn't communicated the way he did, is not known. I mean, unless you read a chart or something that told you otherwise.
Something like: "they also stopped delivering QENs and that's *possibly* not just because CCP Diagoras went back to school?" Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
930
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:17:00 -
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Oh that's easy. "We felt that the resources of Doc E and the assistance necessary to collect and put together the QENs was better spent elsewhere." In fact I could swear I heard them actually say that recently. In any case, you're still speculating. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Harbingour
EVE Corporation 690846961
16
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:31:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Oh that's easy. "We felt that the resources of Doc E and the assistance necessary to collect and put together the QENs was better spent elsewhere." In fact I could swear I heard them actually say that recently. In any case, you're still speculating.
Where is Dr E?!?!?! He reminds me of Punxsutawney Phil comming out of his hole maybe twice year then hiding away because of his being scared ofhis shadow 
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Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:35:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:the tinfoil contained in this post is delicious. you're not meant to eat the tin foil...
Now you tell me. My teeth were going crazy nom nom noming on it. |
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