Keep in mind, part of our "new toys" will be a revamp of plex mechanics to encourage fighting. In particular, moving the warp in closer to the button should help. We often won't warp into a roughly equal fleet because they have had a chance to "set up" within the plex, and jumping in on them would be suicidal..

So far:

- Station lockouts are bad
- LP as a motivation is bad

I don't agree that defensive placement is too much of a advantage, should be easier to break with new ewar and logi.

For myself, as I have said elsewhere, plex fighting has no meaningful purpose for gangs and I think this needs to change. Other than to get a fight why would you bother. Some sense of shared purpose needs to be fostered.

I am genuinely asking, why would T2 cruisers in medium plexes would be a problem ? I mean, isk should not really be a problem in FW. As for SP, most of the people complaining here shoudl be able to fly T2/T3 no prob. ...

And even if FW should have a low entry barrier (which tbh I don;t agree with because it means agreeing with linear progression), am sure with the changes to T1 cruisers, new guys can still hep with ewar and stuff. Plus a lot of ppl in HACs and such will give newer guys something to aspire to ...

Many T2 cruisers are out of favor and don't scare me that much. T2 logistics are great - but the new maulus will shut down a Guardian quite handily. Hardly anyone flies HACs anymore as well. They need to be rebalanced.

The greatest complaint you will see in the future with regards to T2 cruisers in mediums will be cloaky traps with Rapiers, Falcons, etc. And with all the new logistic ships I see that as necessary evil. If you go into a system with a WT and there is a medium open - don't go in! Upshipping as an argument I understand but it's rather moot. People will always try to bring the perfect counter. If you're known to fly an AC Thrasher and you see a condor on short scan - better get on the warp in fast or get out.

The spot I'm not on board with is T3 cruisers being allowed into mediums. They have the mobility of a cruiser, the firepower of a BC, and the tank of a BS. They won't be rebalanced until down the road and off grid boosting is still at least six months away. It's just a bad call to let them into mediums.

Rookie plexes - All T1 and faction frigates. No destroyers
Minor Plexes - All frigates and destroyers.
Medium Plexes. - All cruisers. T2 and T3 included. No BC.
Major - Everything

The medium is where the issue is. I also don't think moving the button is necessary anymore. But I do like using my Naga too....

So, you are complaining that you keep losing fights...because you are bad at picking fights and don't modify your behaviour? Then, using this apparent logic, you extrapolate this to infer that there is a massive problem with EVE and FW. Several, in fact...

There is also a lot of whining that people don't bring fights and want only ganks. Having done W-space and nullsec versus ust complained on the forums and avoided being ganked in plexes, I can tell you that this is universal throughout EVE.

A complaint that people just roll blob, well, go hunt up the Wormholes forum and see what w-space sov fights are about. Its all masses of alts, masses of blues-list batphones and you have 15 guys online, you are locked out, and 75 guys rub their sacks on your face and don't even care about the good fights, just the copious tears and the utter degradation of your corp. If its not being blobbed and skull humped, people just POS up forever, then come and blob you harder. And you are complaining about an apparent sorry state of PVP in FW?

Dudes, it is the state of PVP in EVE and if you don't like the fact you can't undock and get a thrilling fight you really ought to have FRAPSed, every time....get out of EVE and go play COD or whatever.

RTSAvalance, Mua'Dib and friends are plexing in auga with a vigilant, some cynabals and rudex in his tengu since 3-4 weeks ago, and that is honestly ruining the game..

Because I can't say it better myself. +1

The presence of OGB's is the primary factor involved when it comes to not getting the individual fight (microscale) but is merely a contributing factor when it comes to fights as a whole (macroscale).

The large plex fights from days of old is not coming back as long as the dock-block is in effect, they were driven by both sides ability to reship immediately and could go on for hours on end. With one side requiring 5-10x the time to reship upon ship loss the plex itself is effectively lost as enemy has repaired, re-/upshipped and at optimals in addition to timer having lost a big chunk.

Have seen "Use POS" as an argument .. in this age of alts, spies and thieves is there any corp/person willing to open their POS hangars to ragtag militia or park ships in bubble? Only instance where the use of POS is a viable 'solution' is when it comes to large-to-huge corps with paranoid recruitment personnel.
Have seen "use nearby high-sec" as an argument .. 5-10x the time spent as opposed to in-system .. see above.

The dock-block is a good mechanic, but it should have been implemented as part of the upgrade paths so that it contributed to the urgency in regards to killing an attacking force rather than just waiting for ones own prime time and letting loose the alt swarm when all is clear..

It is assuming a system cannot receive LP towards its upgrades if it is contested (that is how it is now, right?) .. idea is that one side or another makes a determined assault on a system and once it hits 50% contested or something the attackers can start stockpiling in system thus making the final push all the more ferocious.

If however things are as you insinuate, that LP can be dumped at any time, then oh my ******* God what the hell is wrong with CCP (and me for assuming logic behind design and not triple-checking ) .. doubly so now that bleeds are a fraction of previously ..

Not only that but if the ability to upgrade was restricted by contested status it would also mean they'd have to aggressively defend to get those awesome prodcution slots!!!! = PEW!

Taking one minor and getting docking rights might be a tad useless though, if set that low then the dock-block might as well be removed .. was thinking something like must by less than 5% contested for system to accept LP dumps and dock-block is tied to level 2-3 which should be around 50% contested with current bleed rates

in my own personal opinion, the worst thing about faction war is faction war. I like the plexes since they promote equal hardware battles to some extent but that's about it.

Any game system that introduces a strategic goal will get in the way of good fights because it introduces a stimulus to win fights. People who just want to win fights don't create good fights. LP/tiers/system control. It can all be canned imho.

there is no point to think about solution to fix FW, clearly it will not work with little tweaks, and CCP will never use enough resources to make it work.

better to forget whole FW and do something else.