Have you scanned one of the ice roids?

The Ice Fields should be guarded by NPCs. The NPCs are trying to control access to the ice in order to manipulate the market and to charge "access fees" for players to mine ice unmolested. The NPCs should use Incursion mechanics and sleeper AI.

/d+¬j+á vu

Ice should disapier like the roids do, but not respawn till all ice in the region has been mined then the respawn should be random and in new locations and perhaps new systems ?? and return slowly

just a thought I had thought I might share :)

can you see the wars fighting over the last of the ice :) that would be sweet

Ice should disapier like the roids do, but not respawn till all ice in the region has been mined then the respawn should be random and in new locations and perhaps new systems ?? and return slowly

Considering that CCP nerfed a bunch of High Sec ice fields (at least) once before, it`s more likely that they will remove all ice fields and replace them with some scannable source like COMETS... thereby allowing for both depleting ice sources and causing botters considerable fuss.

BTW, enjoy your afterlife in Doomheim... come back when you can stay awhile.

If it can keep up with demand, I'm all for the scanning option. I would be up for all ore being scanned too tbf.

Have been thinking about this recently myself tbh

My thoughts are you can't just blanket remove ore belts and make them need to be scanned as you will just push noobies out of the profession if they need to train and learn to scan in order to mine.

Instead something like the following:

1. leave the current hi-sec belts in place
2. Remove all +5% and +10% ores from the current hi-sec belts
3. Make hi-sec scannable belts that contain the +5% and +10% ores that were removed in step 2.
4. No actual additional ore would be added to systems, it's just moving the (slightly) more valuable ore out of the beaconed belts.

Systems would contain an equal number of scannable belts as standard belts but they'd despawn and respawn elsewhere at DT. Also despawn if mined out, but as with current mechanics would not respawn until next downtime.

Have been thinking about this recently myself tbh

My thoughts are you can't just blanket remove ore belts and make them need to be scanned as you will just push noobies out of the profession if they need to train and learn to scan in order to mine.

Instead something like the following:

1. leave the current hi-sec belts in place
2. Remove all +5% and +10% ores from the current hi-sec belts
3. Make hi-sec scannable belts that contain the +5% and +10% ores that were removed in step 2.
4. No actual additional ore would be added to systems, it's just moving the (slightly) more valuable ore out of the beaconed belts.

Systems would contain an equal number of scannable belts as standard belts but they'd despawn and respawn elsewhere at DT. Also despawn if mined out, but as with current mechanics would not respawn until next downtime.

How about getting rid of ice belts completely and and making it so if you need fuel you need to pull it off of an Ice planet.


TLDR
Make Ice a PI commodity.

People are realizing that the price of iceproducts is at this level because their are bots right?

If we can have all bots banned or all disappear, that would mean that the price of ice goes up as there is less supply against a similar demand.
Automatically the price to jump freighters, jump capitals and jump BO-fleets will go up as well, but that isn't the worst part.
Worst will be the price of fuelblocks going up. That means the price of running a POS will go up and the cost to produce whatever people are making in their POS's goes up. Everything gets more expensive if you ask me.

Ofcourse for all the people that are purely icemining as income it would be great, but in the long run, nothing much will be gained.

You really think people are botting ice when you don't have to do anything with it for 45 minutes? AFK != bot. I'd guess the real bots are still running the market or mining ore, which is orders of magnitude more valuable than ice.

Ice should disapier like the roids do, but not respawn till all ice in the region has been mined then the respawn should be random and in new locations and perhaps new systems ?? and return slowly

just a thought I had thought I might share :)

can you see the wars fighting over the last of the ice :) that would be sweet

can you see the wars fighting over the last of the ice :) that would be sweet

People are realizing that the price of iceproducts is at this level because their are bots right?

You really think people are botting ice when you don't have to do anything with it for 45 minutes?

AFK != bot.

I'd guess the real bots are still running the market or mining ore, which is orders of magnitude more valuable than ice.

This should come as no wonder, considering one need to spend insanely many mac hours mining for ice just to keep a L POS running for a year.

A Large POS consumes 400 units of isotopes per hour and, if I recall it right, a cube in empire yields 300 units. That means you need to mine almost 12 thousand cubes for a year. Considering one can mine like 60 cuber per hours this will take about 200 hours to mine. Spread out over a year it means an investment of 4 hours per week. Doesn't sound that much right? However, you also need 150 Heavy water and 150 liquid ozone from the ice. One of these (don't remember which one) yield only 25 units per cube which means you need to multiply the time needed with a factor of 5. So you end up with having to mine ~20 hours per week for one L POS just to keep it running, which is equal to a half time work....

Now, one can always remark'; why not use the extra 40k cubes and sell the isotopes to buy the missing fuel to reduce the mining time? That is true and many do this, however this does not mean the missing stuff will magically appears on the market; it needs to be mined as well. That said, I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figured out who might be mining the majority of that stuff...

I made a calculation (love doing calculations) for fueling a Large Caldari Tower. You always have an excess of isotopes compared to the heavy water and ozone. So what my calculation is based on is actually mining the ice and selling the excess isotopes to buy all other materials to build the fuelblocks. This includes all PI materials.

If you would only depend on units of Ice, one would need (at current prices) to mine around 2450 units of ice per month on average. When you have planets doing PI for fuel as well, the need to mine this vast amount is not as high.

just a thought I had thought I might share :)

The NPCs are trying to control access to the ice in order to manipulate the market and to charge "access fees" for players to mine ice unmolested.

The NPCs should use Incursion mechanics and sleeper AI.

The Ice Fields should be guarded by NPCs. The NPCs are trying to control access to the ice in order to manipulate the market and to charge "access fees" for players to mine ice unmolested. The NPCs should use Incursion mechanics and sleeper AI