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Helmut Rul	Posted - 2005.04.21 12:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 12:28:05 Just a little nitpick ews01, while the stealth bombers in the modern world are indeed fragile creations that has nothing to offer in a dogfight it does indeed carry the modern day equivalent of the citadel torpedo namely the hydrogen bomb and several of them at that,In addition i do not really belive that the bombers have close support from fighters, as far as i know there are no fighters that are as stealthy as the b-2 bomber and as such all a escort would accomplish would be to reveal the bombers position. Still eve online is not the real world and i do share your worry for the bomber ganksquad but ultimately the bomber gankers would use as much money as most battleship gankers and be far far more fragile. While i do agree that 100 million is an inflated price i do fear that the bombers as well as most other tech II ships will have artificially high prices until the research system is someday fixed.
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.04.21 12:29:00 - [32] Edited by: Gariuys on 21/04/2005 12:30:43 Just one tiny little comment cause this discussion bores me. Could all the people that define a ships usefullness by whether or not it can kill a battleship solo go self destruct their pod. Maybe your next clone has a functional brain. Edit: Oh and anyone that brings in some completely moronic example of what a cloaking bomber should or should not do in real life please follow the above advice. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
ews01	Posted - 2005.04.21 12:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Helmut Rul Just a little nitpick ews01, while the stealth bombers in the modern world are indeed fragile creations that has nothing to offer in a dogfight it does indeed carry the modern day equivalent of the citadel torpedo namely the hydrogen bomb and several of them at that,In addition i do not really belive that the bombers have close support from fighters, as far as i know there are no fighters that are as stealthy as the b-2 bomber and as such all a escort would accomplish would be to reveal the bombers position. F22 Raptor 4tw! Originally by: Helmut Rul Still eve online is not the real world and i do share your worry for the bomber ganksquad but ultimately the bomber gankers would use as much money as most battleship gankers and be far far more fragile. Aye m8, My only disagreement here is that they will be as fragile as a gangaggeddon sniping 150km from a gate with 8 WCS on lows. What's the argument on being a paper ship with 1 hp if nothing has time to do you that 1 hp dmg before its back to the recycling plant to be turned to quaffe cans? This will be the uber gangsquad ship. And I bet many many ppl don't like that m8.
MickeyFinn	Posted - 2005.04.21 12:36:00 - [34] Ok, here is what i am thinking. Firstly, I took receipt of one of these today and if for nothing else I am happy I have it to add to my collection, even if it IS in need of attention I didnt mind paying the extortionate amount that I did. I think the problem here is that the stealth bomber is having a bit of an identity crisis. It is certainly not a covert opps ship, as it is clssified, as the only thing that sets the cov-opps ships apart are their ability to use cov-opps cloaking devices. As it stands the SB can only use an improved cloak - the same as every other ship in the game. It also isnt a frigate, it has none of their manouverablilty, speed or agility, and since it lacks the versitlity and numerous hardpoints of a destroyer and the armour and sheilding of a cruiser, it cant be classed amongst those either. So perhaps the first mistake was to class it as a cov-opps ship - it should, imho, be a seperate ship class altogether. So what abouts its actual useability and effectiveness? Well, applying any of the above capabilities to it would immediatly make it superior in its field. ie. a cov-opps cloak will negate the cov-opps ships, cruiser-esque armour and shield would make it an uber cruiser , you get the picture. Therefore I think it needs unique attributes that give it "balance" and effectiveness. One of these we have already in its ability to use cruise missiles - and no bad thing that at all - in fact that on its own and dropping the "stealth" from its title would be better in my opinion than the situation we have now. But, since it does have that word in its name then the use of stealth/cloaking technology has to come into it somewhere. So just as the SB is unique as a class (in my model) it needs a unique cloak. Here is my suggestions: Stealth Bomber Cloaking Device 1. No warping whilst cloaked - to protect the cov-opps ships role 2. Drop the bonus to velocity whilst cloaked and replace with a flat 25% penalty whilst cloak in operation. 3. Reduce the recalibration time to 5 seconds - still gives ure target time to wet himself and run but punishses the afk's who dont look around them. 4. Reduce the "re-cloaking" timer to 5 seconds also - 30 seconds is ridiculous and really doesnt put much "stealth" into "stealth bomber". You still couldnt fire whilst cloaked but would make for an interesting game of cat and mouse ;) and within the 10 second window between decloaking, firing and re-cloaking your target has chance to fight back. Ok, that is probably full of holes but that what I rekon needs to/should of happen. I see no problems with firing cruise missiles (as opposed to citadels) they pack enuf punch with good skills, perhaps the manticore needs to be reduced to 2 launchers (or the rest upto 3) because at the moment it has a 1/3 damage advantage. It is already penalised with weak shields and armour plus its poor agility so a cloak such as the one above would go some way to "balancing" the SB. Just my 2 cents. -------------------------------------- The Artist Formely Known As Wishdokkta
Sigarni	Posted - 2005.04.21 13:11:00 - [35] HELMUT RUL Just because you was stupid enough to pay 100 mil for a frig which probably cost the builder about 6 mil to build does NOT mean it should be some uber Win EvE frigate ok. God you lot need to understand that you are paying 100 mil and the seller is laughing at you because you have more money than sense. You could have checked the stats before you paid a ridiculous amount for it. You are like the dumb people who cry that an 18 mil Crow should be able to own 2 7 mil MOA's. Price does not equal power ok
Helmut Rul	Posted - 2005.04.21 13:43:00 - [36] Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 13:49:07 Sigarni for some reason you seem to belive that i have purchased a bomber this is incorrect i do not have a bomber nor will i purchase one until they are far better and far cheaper. However to make a point that may pierce your stubborn refusal to accept that bombers are currently very very bad i submit to you this : With the current stats i would not buy a bomber for even 2 million isk except perhaps as a collectors item. They are getting killed by just about anything except newbie ships and lowend frigates, They struggle hard to kill any other tech II ship interceptors can tank the first volley of missiles and rip apart a bomber long before the second volley can be launched assault frigates can endure their attacks, virtually any cruiser will easily defeat them and against battleship they are about as effective as a rusty butterknife. To put it bluntly the bombers sacrifice speed agility armor and shield and all they get for it is the ability to launch 2 or 3 cruisemissiles ever 20 seconds or so and the ability to use a cloak that any other ship can use as well.
Miner's Bane	Posted - 2005.04.21 16:44:00 - [37] Edited by: Miner''s Bane on 21/04/2005 16:45:06 This thread has been badly derailed by ignorant people saying stupid things. It doesnt matter though, until the missile rebalance comes in, these ships will be utter trash. The only reason they were released is to give you people something shiny to look at as a distraction for CCP. Hopefully, when the missile rebalance shows up, these ships will be given enough of a boost to make them at least somewhat worthwhile. And it would be nice if the caldari bombers were on the same level as the rest (and for every complete halfwit who argues that caldari are the missile race, minmatar are the speed race and a claw isnt ******* 50% faster then a crow). ------------------------------------------------------------------
Artegg	Posted - 2005.04.21 17:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Artegg on 21/04/2005 18:41:51 Originally by: Sigarni Yes I think they should be able to launch Citadel Torps, cloak and decloak at will, warp whilst cloaked thus completely negating any use for Covert Ops ships, travel full speed whilst cloak and insta lock after decloaking. Also add a bazillion hit points and more slots please God you retards should get real. Launching Cruise missles from a Frigate not enough now ?? Frigs should win EVE I say ... w00t Have you flown one? Have you killed one? My corp m8 killed 2 in his crow at the same time last night they out right suck as it stands this post is for people to post ideas about how to make a useless ship better. If you dont have anything to add make your own post and say how good they are and see the people that have used them laugh at you
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.04.21 19:00:00 - [39] 4 words: Stealth Module, coming soon? (Could this be the solution to the Stealth bombers problem with being a flying coffin? Just a thought. If you don't know what the proposed Stealth Module is, think the opposite of a Target painter.) Kill the enemy, and break their toys.
Arleonenis	Posted - 2005.04.21 20:09:00 - [40] about citadel torps... nope... why? imagine: bomber decloaks say 3km from cruiser... survive 12 seconds... wait for recalibration: WEB and than fire citadel... one volley = dead cruiser... rise and repeat = ultimate ganking ship against everything bigger than destroyer... bomber without med slots... yep than citadels would be grate on them, becouse to use this tactics you would need at least 2 pilots: 1 covert ops ship and 1 bomber pilot, this would be really covert ops killing squad just my two cents, how this is accurate dont know i dont played eve for some time and dont intend to just visited forum to check whats going up here... but as always its going bad...

Selim	Posted - 2005.04.21 20:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Arleonenis about citadel torps... nope... why? imagine: bomber decloaks say 3km from cruiser... survive 12 seconds... wait for recalibration: WEB and than fire citadel... one volley = dead cruiser... rise and repeat = ultimate ganking ship against everything bigger than destroyer... bomber without med slots... yep than citadels would be grate on them, becouse to use this tactics you would need at least 2 pilots: 1 covert ops ship and 1 bomber pilot, this would be really covert ops killing squad just my two cents, how this is accurate dont know i dont played eve for some time and dont intend to just visited forum to check whats going up here... but as always its going bad... Not after the missile nerf, torps will blow huge chunks vs cruisers
Tensa	Posted - 2005.04.22 05:02:00 - [42] Originally by: ews01 Edited by: ews01 on 21/04/2005 11:25:54 You don't expect a tank to have a nuclear missile silo on it, do you? Yes I do. Ever played Metal Gear: Snake Eater??
Darian Solatic	Posted - 2005.04.22 06:05:00 - [43] Just give me my damn kestral with 4 cruise like the good old days... Manticore = crap compared to that. There's my 2 cents.
Disphforia	Posted - 2005.04.22 06:23:00 - [44] Sigarni must be the only one in this topic with the braincells required to post intelligent things. Do i put a nuclear bomb on a bicycle? Why put citadel launchers on a FREAKING frigate. Get real and realise you were hoping for a Gank ship and it's not. Find what it's good for and stop paying 100m for frigate, god damn.
Selim	Posted - 2005.04.22 16:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Disphforia Sigarni must be the only one in this topic with the braincells required to post intelligent things. Do i put a nuclear bomb on a bicycle? Why put citadel launchers on a FREAKING frigate. Get real and realise you were hoping for a Gank ship and it's not. Find what it's good for and stop paying 100m for frigate, god damn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_boat
Helmut 314	Posted - 2005.04.22 18:57:00 - [46] Bombers do lack in firepower. They are basically slow styrofoam cups that can cloak and eventually fire 2 cruise missiles every 20 seconds. I suggest the following : Box Launcher Capacity 6 cruise missiles ROF 3 seconds Reload time 120 seconds. That way a Bomber can quickly fire off 6 cruise missiles and do serious damage. It then has to wait 2 minutes before it can do any damage again. Thats a good balance that makes the ship useful but not overpowered in battles. Make the bombers have the special ability to fit this launcher, and put harsh penalties , like 1000 CPU used or so on it. Nothing else on the bomber need be changed this way. One box launcher per bomber. An alphastrike from a pack of bombers would be a thing to fear, but like the bombers of old they are very vulnerable. Destroyers and Interceptors would have a clear role, making sure that the enemy bombers dont come too close to your own fleet.... ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
mk ultra	Posted - 2005.04.23 03:55:00 - [47] Edited by: mk ultra on 23/04/2005 03:55:35 bah i just bought one for 60 mil and now im reading this thread ........ i got raped in the a$$ and didnt enjoy it Thought they would be able to use cov ops cloaking as they r in cov ops section but they are total crap . Any other ship with a cloaking device can do a better job for cheaper ... like a caracal but anyway . Imo they should be able to use cov ops cloaking but only for recalibration time even though i would like to be able to warp while being cloaked but heh . They need better recalibration time and maybe a slight increase in firepower . My 2 cents ill be selling a hound cheap on market in yulai ... any takers ? :P ------------------------ <Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken. <honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P
blazefast	Posted - 2005.04.23 16:40:00 - [48] Instead of citadel torps.. perhaps regular torps? Here's what they need IMO... Damage: 2 torp launchers with 12-15 sec ROF .. that way your dps isn't overpowered Speed: slightly faster base speed PG/CPU: maybe a little more cpu, some more PG as well for a MWD or whatever else Cloak: new cloak allowing all that the covert ops does except warp while cloaked This would make them a useful ship in combat and still vulnerable to attack like a bomber should be.
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2005.04.23 18:55:00 - [49] Edited by: BIRDofPREY on 23/04/2005 18:56:04 Originally by: Sigarni Yes I think they should be able to launch Citadel Torps, cloak and decloak at will, warp whilst cloaked thus completely negating any use for Covert Ops ships, travel full speed whilst cloak and insta lock after decloaking. Also add a bazillion hit points and more slots please God you retards should get real. Launching Cruise missles from a Frigate not enough now ?? Frigs should win EVE I say ... w00t Used to be that you could launch torps with a frigate.. lots of sucide kessies running around. But that was nerfed. The big difference between this frigate and a standard noob ship is THE PRICE TAG!!!!. No one is going to use this as a sucide bomber with an 80,000,000 price tag. ('tard) Now that being said... a Covert ops ship goes for about 11,000,000 and a stealth is about 80,000,000. Do you thing this is going to replace the covert ops anytime soon? Has the Wolf replaced the Rifter? didn't think so..... [Edit : lots of personal attacks removed] Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2005.04.23 18:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Darian Solatic Just give me my damn kestral with 4 cruise like the good old days... Manticore = crap compared to that. There's my 2 cents. signed!!! Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage

BIRDofPREY	Posted - 2005.04.23 19:01:00 - [51] Originally by: ews01 Originally by: Selim It is a BOMBER, it needs to be good at killing battleships because its going to suck at killing everything else. We have enough ships good at killing frigs already. Bombers being strong and awesome against battleships would encourage combined arms and teamwork. Yes I know what a Bomber is. Though if by teamwork you mean "4 steroid pumped kessies at a gate killing the bejesus out of everything" then yes. You are right. Bombers are still bloody frigs. Don't forget that. they can't be strong AND awesome against a BS. RL bombers (Check stealth bombers) need escort in case a canary flying by feels offensive and attack em. Their only defense is being stealthy/low sig on radar. They are real paper ships. For the sake of this being a game, if they do that, they become strong and awesome agains anything which is pretty silly really. They'll be able to take down HACs, Cruisers, BSs, BCs, name it really. You don't expect to conquer the world in a frig, do you? What Airforce are you thinking of... Stealth DEMANDS no escort - why don't you just put a whoopie lite on it and tell eveyone where the strike is? Your 650mm Artillery Cannon I perfectly strikes Serpentis Guard, wrecking for 340.0 damage
Selim	Posted - 2005.04.23 19:53:00 - [52] Originally by: BIRDofPREY Edited by: BIRDofPREY on 23/04/2005 18:56:04 Used to be that you could launch torps with a frigate.. lots of sucide kessies running around. But that was nerfed. The big difference between this frigate and a standard noob ship is THE PRICE TAG!!!!. No one is going to use this as a sucide bomber with an 80,000,000 price tag. ('tard) [Edit : lots of personal attacks removed] The difference is also that cruise frigates fired faster, flew faster and were alot easier to fly. Also had more hitpoints.
Grut	Posted - 2005.04.23 22:08:00 - [53] Why ccp released these ships before the missile changes i dont know Mostly harmless
Lord Damien	Posted - 2005.04.23 22:10:00 - [54] ...
susan ivonava	Posted - 2005.04.23 22:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Arleonenis about citadel torps... nope... why? imagine: bomber decloaks say 3km from cruiser... survive 12 seconds... wait for recalibration: WEB and than fire citadel... one volley = dead cruiser... rise and repeat = ultimate ganking ship against everything bigger than destroyer... bomber without med slots... yep than citadels would be grate on them, becouse to use this tactics you would need at least 2 pilots: 1 covert ops ship and 1 bomber pilot, this would be really covert ops killing squad just my two cents, how this is accurate dont know i dont played eve for some time and dont intend to just visited forum to check whats going up here... but as always its going bad... cruiser fires off 1 Med smart bomb twice, dead bomber, dead torp, game over for bomber,whats your point???
Phades	Posted - 2005.04.24 06:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Grut Why ccp released these ships before the missile changes i dont know To give people a chance to research the BPOs before the missile changes go live.


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