Introduce a fluctuating sec but cap the min/max of each system. Only 0.4/0.5 should really swap between high and low as these are usually the key systems you want to flip on way or another.

The rest of 0.6 -> 1.0 would simply see a fluctuation of CONCORD response time and 0.3 -> 0.1 would see a fluctuation in sec loss/gate gun DPS.

Any ideas on how people would go about raising a system's sec status?

I think even with the best possible way to do that, you're invariably going to have to implement some kind of automatic balance to it. Whenever a system loses sec another gains it, or something like that. There's simply no way it would turn out balanced at all if it were left to the players, just by the very nature of MMO communities. There still needs to be some kind of external control over things.

You are right that it won't be balanced, especially given this MMO community, but then again, so what? At least the sec status landscape would represent the reality of the player base and its actions.

You are right that it won't be balanced, especially given this MMO community, but then again, so what? At least the sec status landscape would represent the reality of the player base and its actions.

You mean...

Goons/TEST.

Not really. This community in general is dog eat dog. Except for the "we should be allowed to afk mine in peace without getting blown up and make isk" crowd. But then they don't matter.

The difference between 0.1 and 0.5 neglible

Not really. This community in general is dog eat dog. Except for the "we should be allowed to afk mine in peace without getting blown up and make isk" crowd. But then they don't matter.

What about this approach:

Concord is only present in 0.8, 0.9, 1.0. They are not present in 0.7, 0.6, 0.5 (Hisec evenly divided in Hisec with CONCORD and Hisec without CONCORD).

In Hisec 1.0 - 0.5 these actions raise the security status of the system:
- Mining
- Ratting
- Missioning
- Plexing

In Hisec 1.0 - 0.5 these actions lower the security status of the system:
- Ship kills (PvE & PvP)
- Pod kills

In Hisec 0.7 - 0.5 CONCORD still comes to help you, but it takes > 1min to arrive.
This way you still get "some" protection in 0.7 - 0.5 but since it's dynamic the security is not always guaranteed.
Also if the system goes above 0.7 you can lower the secstatus only with suicide-ganking. So you can flip every hisec system (except tradehubs, or other important systems).
In regards to Losec it shouldn't go below 0.5 since the "core" of the EVE galaxy is Hisec surrounded with Losec. Losec itself is surrounded with Nullsec. This way it wouldn't create holes in the uniform systemstatus distribution we have right now.

Thoughts?

Introduce a fluctuating sec but cap the min/max of each system. Only 0.4/0.5 should really swap between high and low as these are usually the key systems you want to flip on way or another.

The rest of 0.6 -> 1.0 would simply see a fluctuation of CONCORD response time and 0.3 -> 0.1 would see a fluctuation in sec loss/gate gun DPS.

too much work. it's easier to remove high-sec completely i guess.....

just few questions to you:
- what is the difference between low- and high-sec?
- did you see any kills in low-sec or 0.0-sec which took more than 1 minute (to CONCORD arrive)?

I remember reading somewhere that sec status is determined by the local governments on the planets in that system. That is, how much CONCORD presence they want.

Its not clear how the actions of us pod pilots could or should effect that.

I think we can all agree that Eve's content is supposed to be dynamic and preferably player generated. This makes the world feel alive and meaningful. Currently one of the big determinants in how the game is played is the security rating of solar systems, but this feature is entirely static, which is contrary to the dynamism/user-influenced mantra. The decisions that CCP made when designating systems as high or low-sec are driving the player experience, whereas I believe it should be the other way around.

Let me be clear. I'm not advocating the removal of the security status rating. It's a good feature, but I think that the collective actions of people in solar systems should determine the security status of said systems. This goes without saying, but it would only be possible to change a system's sec status in empire space (leave null out of this).

I think that actions like suicide ganking, can flipping and other illegal activities should, over time, lower the security status of a system, eventually driving it below 0.5. The problem that I'm having right now is coming up with good ideas for actions that would do the opposite, namely to increase the security status of systems. One way would be to make it passive, so that if no illegal activity takes place in a given low-sec system for a certain amount of time, its rating would automatically go up, possibly surpassing 0.5, at which point Concord would move in and the system would become high-sec. Another possibility is to raise the sec-status of a system when known outlaws (people with negative rating) are killed.

Anyway, this thread is for people to contribute their own ideas for how to make sure this feature is balanced, so we don't get all of empire shrinking to a few small islands of high-sec, or the opposite where we get no low-sec left. Alternatively, if you think the idea is total ****, let me know as well.