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Posted - 2012.11.18 13:56:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Arduemont wrote:Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for. Solution: haul to system before uedama, niara etc, split it into multiple runs, and combine back into one run after that, or use an escort for the one jump. vOv
I really hope the Devs are reading this.
You clearly don't appreciate how fucken stupid that sounds. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:05:00 -
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UAxSunShine wrote:Arduemont wrote:UAxSunShine wrote:When will people learn not to carry anything more than the value of the ship they are transporting in it? It's basic eve stuff I learnt it within a month of playing. Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for. Really? Because I am 100% sure that any freighter carrying a certain amount of of loot will be scanned going out of Jita and anything above a certain level will probably get ganked if they pass through certain systems. If you are below that level you shouldn't have a problem with suicide gankers. And on the subject of making money through the freight trade, how did these people make the isk to get a freighter in the first place? There are 1000's of different ways to make isk and freight is probably at the bottom of that for lucrative isk making machines. If you insist on doing this boring, boring trade, pick your contracts and only take ones that don't risk your freighter dying. 1.5billion isk losses must cut into your profit margin quite a bit.
Jita is a different bag of bolts.
They don't gank there for a reason. More Sentry that hit a lot harder and instant response from concord. EVE has always been in gross favor of offense over defense. I was looking at one of the kills and 6 guys took down a Providence. They even scrambled it so as to disrupt the warp. The thing with a freighter is, you can take 90 seconds to get to warp out but if you lose your wapr status you drop to near 0 speed almost right away. It's also what makes bumping so good. Bump and it isn't that it breaks the alignment, it's that it kills your speed climb back to stand still.
Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:
Jita is a different bag of bolts.
They don't gank there for a reason. More Sentry that hit a lot harder and instant response from concord. EVE has always been in gross favor of offense over defense. I was looking at one of the kills and 6 guys took down a Providence. They even scrambled it so as to disrupt the warp. The thing with a freighter is, you can take 90 seconds to get to warp out but if you lose your wapr status you drop to near 0 speed almost right away. It's also what makes bumping so good. Bump and it isn't that it breaks the alignment, it's that it kills your speed climb back to stand still.
Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.
Please link the text that states bumping is against the rules.
Don't politic me.
You are sploiting. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ghazu wrote:
Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.
oh 2-3 b only? you can easily Madoff like 2-3 t.
Nah, if I wanted to Madoff I'd have ran already, I am holding hundreds of billions for third parties and am not going to be just a copycat of many others who ran with the money.
In EvE you stand out (if that's your thing) much more if you are honest than if you just do like everybody else.[/quote]
In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ocih wrote:Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple. There's no exploit being utilized.
Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:37:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ocih wrote:Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition. Explain to us how it's an exploit, then, and how you would like it to be fixed.
I explained how it's an exploited use of the mechanic.
Ships lose velocity when they are jammed or bumped at a different rate than they gain it. Knowing that you can hold a ship as long as you need to in order to kill it.
You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium, you know anyone not in your NAP train needs to run freighters through Niarja and Eudama. You know that even if the random neutral is caught up in it, none of that matters to you.
You control the game. Because of systems made years ago using an engine that wasn't made to run the EVE it sits on now, you control the game. You manipulate markets, you manipulate T2, you manipulate traffic lanes. CCP are powerless to stop it. They hope for a miracle from the player base but in the end, you control the game.
I don't have a tin foil hat on. I know where EVE was a long time ago. I watched Oursulaert die. Genesis lose its trade hub. I saw BoB get gutted like a fish. I know that POS bashing won Fatal Ascension the rights to Providence and the pipes to the South. I'm pretty sure Fatal Ascension took down U'K. I know the Goonswarm we have now has a grudge with EVE. I know you don't give a flying **** about the game. |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?
Why, you want to buy him off?
Will it be 10 billion this time around too? |
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:47:00 -
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You wanted the spot light you got it.
The greatest thing about an EULA is, it pretty much says CCP can make it up as they go. I hate to hate anyone but I know a rat when I see it. |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:28:00 -
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Preceptor Stigmartyr wrote:
I was at that fight.
2 Guardians, 4X Solace large x 2. I know there was at least one other Logi on scene with the Fen. I was just there to be a nuisance to Goons.
No armor repair registered on the Fen. Not, 'not enough' registered, none registered.
Your game is broke CCP.
Broke, Broke, Broke. |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:48:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Ocih wrote:Preceptor Stigmartyr wrote: I was at that fight. 2 Guardians, 4X Solace large x 2. I know there was at least one other Logi on scene with the Fen. I was just there to be a nuisance to Goons. No armor repair registered on the Fen. Not, 'not enough' registered, none registered. Your game is broke CCP. Broke, Broke, Broke. You want some tissues? Cry, Cry, Cry.
No, I filed a bug report.
It isn't crying when you point out the game isn't functioning, shitforbrains. |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ioci wrote:[quote=Powers Sa]
Sorry CCP, I lost all faith tonight. The blob just has too much projection. We can't stand up to it. I surrender. Did you just say that 12 ships should not be able to kill one? Just after you did the exact same thing to someone else?
You have me guilty on one affair.
Fighting a fight I had no business fighting.
I can't convince you of this. I'm not Brick. I checked their history, they are former Atlas. They have Kill Mails on me.
I said I was neutral Logi, I was.
As for the 12 ships taking down the Fen. No, they should not have been able to do what they did in the time they did it in. I know you guys lost ISK on that, It seems it was a grudge kill for something else that happened. That's not my thing. The point in High Sec is to so you guys will keep that stuff out of High Sec.
You might not agree with me, I'm fine with that. It's just that every time I try and do anything in this game, I run in to the same brick wall. Blob. |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:33:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ioci wrote:[quote=Powers Sa]
Sorry CCP, I lost all faith tonight. The blob just has too much projection. We can't stand up to it. I surrender. Did you just say that 12 ships should not be able to kill one? Just after you did the exact same thing to someone else? You have me guilty on one affair. Fighting a fight I had no business fighting. I can't convince you of this. I'm not Brick. I checked their history, they are former Atlas. They have Kill Mails on me. I said I was neutral Logi, I was. As for the 12 ships taking down the Fen. No, they should not have been able to do what they did in the time they did it in. I know you guys lost ISK on that, It seems it was a grudge kill for something else that happened. That's not my thing. The point in High Sec is to so you guys will keep that stuff out of High Sec. You might not agree with me, I'm fine with that. It's just that every time I try and do anything in this game, I run in to the same brick wall. Blob. Post about it
I'm sure there are 50,000 people who think the same way every time you guys start yet another 'We killed a freighter" thread.
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:39:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:christ make up your mind, is it really a problem or just some goon trying get attention?
Both |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:51:00 -
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Preceptor Stigmartyr wrote:Ocih wrote:I know you guys lost ISK on that, It seems it was a grudge kill for something else that happened. Like I said before, its just Ministry Business. Think of it like a write-off. When a competing corporation moves into your market, sometimes you spend the resources to reaffirm your dominance. Ocih wrote:
I'm sure there are 50,000 people who think the same way every time you guys start yet another 'We killed a freighter" thread.
To be fair, Goons didn't start this thread if you've read the OP. But it does deliver. 
My bad. Assuming it was one of your alts. If you say it wasn't, it wasn't.
All I know is fighting back in this game is pointless. Blob up or unsub. Concord DPS and 36,000 reps a minute and I was like flyshit on a bumper.
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Posted - 2012.11.19 10:33:00 -
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FDIC Agent wrote:My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.
- Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
- Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
- Escort the freighter with scouts.
- Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
- Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.
In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well. So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass!  I QUIT!
Focus fire, dps and you need to wait until it's fired before you can do anything or you get the concord.
By then it's too late.
I'm thinking I might buy a bunch of crapdari throw away frigates and triple web them until my sub runs out. |
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Posted - 2012.11.19 10:56:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Ocih wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.
- Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
- Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
- Escort the freighter with scouts.
- Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
- Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.
In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well. So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass! I QUIT! Focus fire, dps and you need to wait until it's fired before you can do anything or you get the concord. By then it's too late. I'm thinking I might buy a bunch of crapdari throw away frigates and triple web them until my sub runs out. Whoa but you didn't even get ganked are we that meta?
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Am I making you puke yet?
I love it hard 
Am I making you puke yet?
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