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William Voxx
The Angry Celtics
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Posted - 2012.11.18 09:20:00 -
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So i joined a new corp, made up of mostly inexperienced players like myself, were having a pretty good chill time together. Then this Russian guy moves in and declares war on us. A single guy declares war on our corp and we can do nothing to stop him he's just to strong, gotta tier 3 strategic cruiser, most of us have tier 1 BC's at best. So i move out of the HQ solar system take three jumps away and I'm happily mining away and he comes in and ganks me. Alright its part of the game fair kill.
So i move further away, 20 jumps away, again im happily mining away and he ganks me again. There is no way in hell he just happened across me. And im getting extremely frustrated because the fact that a much stronger player can just roll over newer players with impunity is extremely annoying.
So my questions are:
1: How did he find me?
2: How can i prevent this from happening, i have 3 warp stabs and he can still prevent me from warping, i know i should keep an eye on local chat, any other suggestions?
3: I can't seem to do anything without him showing up to kill me, and i'm hemorrhaging ISK so should i just leave the corp? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2952
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Posted - 2012.11.18 09:31:00 -
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1: Locator agent/service. There is no way for you to hide in normal space.
2: Kill him with your friends. Let me be clear on this, don't fight him in a good fight, gank his ass with him having no ability to fight back. E-war is especially good for this. ECM, neuts and heavy dampening will kill his ability to fight no matter what he is flying and remote reps allow you to tank everything he can throw at you. Work as a team, not as a group of solo pilots.
3: If you truly can't handle a single pilot no matter what you try, join a proper player corp. |
Tao Dolcino
Twilight Labs
Unsung Voices
54
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Posted - 2012.11.18 09:58:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:2: Kill him with your friends. Let me be clear on this, don't fight him in a good fight, gank his ass with him having no ability to fight back. E-war is especially good for this. ECM, neuts and heavy dampening will kill his ability to fight no matter what he is flying and remote reps allow you to tank everything he can throw at you. Work as a team, not as a group of solo pilots.
+1
This coward is attacking noobs, it should give you all enough hate to unite together with your corpies and fight back.
If they don't want, then you're in the wrong corp. But please try before, try to lead them to the victory. If this guy is really alone then you can really win. Then if your corpies refuse it was not the right place for you. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
The Paganism Alliance
117
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Posted - 2012.11.18 10:21:00 -
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OP, you are in a tough spot, mainly because you are still a freshman. I second the call to fight back. If you fail it's good experience, if you win you get sweet explosive revenge. Eve is a sandbox, but you can't just do whatever you want. You'll need to fight for it! Good luck hunting this guys down  he sounds like the type of douchebag that decs inexperienced, small corps for ganking fun. I'm sure there are some people around who will take this guy out for ISK, or just plainly because of white knightery. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
230
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Posted - 2012.11.18 10:39:00 -
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Per above, he used a locator agent to find you. They're like normal agents but they have an extra option where you enter a player's name and a few minutes later it'll tell you in which system and station (if docked) that player is at.
You can avoid trouble on several levels.
1) be aware:
- have him added to your friend list so you know when he's online
- detach your local chat window from the others, make it really tall and have it set to compact members list, that way you'll have the best chance of noticing he's in your system
- avoid crowded systems where you might not see him because of the massive local list
- never fly anywhere without a neutral scout alt or fly in nano/MWD frigates
- never be afk while in space, never assume it's safe
2) stop being a target
- learn how to avoid trouble by learning simple game mechanics in regards to session timers, undocking tricks, bookmarks and all that
- learn about the ships they fly so you know what they can and can't do
- at corporation level, put in the effort to defend yourself and be prepared for an attack. Newbies who have been given some basic "training" are very capable of fending off and even killing fierce high SP PVPers, all you need is the "aha moment" and be in a corp with enough active players who also had that "aha moment".
In short, put in the effort to pay attention, learn some game mechanics, team up and get some help from an experienced player. Long term you probably want to be in a corp that has knowledgeable leadership and has some sort of quality control when it comes to recruitment, partially to avoid spies but also to have more active&invested (team)players. Most of the times a corp like that avoid wardecs in the first place and would they happen anyway they'd be better prepared for them.
Amat victoria curam. |
Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.18 10:47:00 -
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Or... just create few alternative corporations, and move to them a soon as he declares war for one of them. Also can just move to NPC corporation untill he gets bored.
If anything - try to find srtonger corporation that could help you. |
Philboyd Benoit
24
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Posted - 2012.11.18 12:10:00 -
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Hire merc's if you can afford it? Although being newbie might mean you can't afford it... |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
529
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Posted - 2012.11.18 12:38:00 -
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Kiwis23 wrote:Or... just create few alternative corporations, and move to them a soon as he declares war for one of them. Also can just move to NPC corporation untill he gets bored.
If anything - try to find srtonger corporation that could help you.
Believe you can't join another corp for a week or so if you leave your old one during a war or something.
It's to prevent exactly what you are suggesting, corp hopping to prevent wardecs.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
529
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Posted - 2012.11.18 12:42:00 -
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William Voxx wrote:So i joined a new corp, made up of mostly inexperienced players like myself, were having a pretty good chill time together. Then this Russian guy moves in and declares war on us. A single guy declares war on our corp and we can do nothing to stop him he's just to strong, gotta tier 3 strategic cruiser, most of us have tier 1 BC's at best. So i move out of the HQ solar system take three jumps away and I'm happily mining away and he comes in and ganks me. Alright its part of the game fair kill.
So i move further away, 20 jumps away, again im happily mining away and he ganks me again. There is no way in hell he just happened across me. And im getting extremely frustrated because the fact that a much stronger player can just roll over newer players with impunity is extremely annoying.
So my questions are:
1: How did he find me?
2: How can i prevent this from happening, i have 3 warp stabs and he can still prevent me from warping, i know i should keep an eye on local chat, any other suggestions?
3: I can't seem to do anything without him showing up to kill me, and i'm hemorrhaging ISK so should i just leave the corp?
1.) As said locator agents, the only way to run away from locator agents is go inside a WH.
2.) 3 warp stabs gives you 4 warp points, 2 scrams are enough for that (that is with basic plain T1 scrams without any ship or boosters).
Keep local open,
Add him to your watchlist
Team up in groups
3.) You can leave the corp, or start doing something while docked (I learned trading and production by wardecs).
Also maybe it's a nice time to shop for a corporation that suits you better, maybe one with more players in them and more experienced players that can fight back.
In general most griefer corps (but not all) focus on those who are easy kills. Being in one of those corps means you get more wardecs in general.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Hannah Femmlepet
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.11.18 12:54:00 -
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Surprised that no one has mentioned this yet but, he might also have an alt (spy) in the corporation. This way he can check where all undocked corp members are through world map (My Information -> My corp members now in space).
Stay paranoid! |
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Jesuis Cache-Cache
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:40:00 -
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I try to play like I drive.
That everyone else is a damn fool except me.
This topic is similar in one I had about tracking. No matter if you are looking or being looked at. You become better at one by mastering the other.
Now, about the "Watch List". I have looked for and found nothing really explaining that function. Does it just alert you when the character is on-line?
"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson-á |
Hannah Femmlepet
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:43:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:Now, about the "Watch List". I have looked for and found nothing really explaining that function. Does it just alert you when the character is on-line?
It notifies you when someone on your watch list logs on or off and you can also see if the character is online (or not) through your contact list. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
530
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:44:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:I try to play like I drive.
That everyone else is a damn fool except me.
This topic is similar in one I had about tracking. No matter if you are looking or being looked at. You become better at one by mastering the other.
Now, about the "Watch List". I have looked for and found nothing really explaining that function. Does it just alert you when the character is on-line?
Add to watchlist has 2 functions
In people&places window you can tick a box such that People&Places will only show those that:
* Are on your watchlist
* Are currently online.
Other then that, people that log in or log out and are on your watch list will pop up on your screen (lower right corner). They will pop up with their avatar + name in a colored box (Red for logged off - Green for logged on).
When I was in null-sec and you saw shitload of enemy titan pilots log on suddenly, you knew they were about to bridge something (likely on YOUR head).
Same with campers, adding them to your watch list meant you could check if they logged off in system or jumped a gate when they disappear from local.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
320
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:59:00 -
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Ahhh! Brilliant!
I have three vic...um, I mean characters of interest, I am adding right now.
I did notice that in the "Contact Management" window, it had two boxes that you could check. It gives a hint of a third selection only being covered by the text window. You can't manipulate the CM window to see what else is there. 
EDIT : Q on the local...
Can this be taken a step further to reflect them only in a local tab? It is hard to follow in high populous like Jita, when the local is constantly updating and flashing non stop.
"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson-á |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2012.11.18 16:03:00 -
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Kiwis23 wrote:Or... just create few alternative corporations, and move to them a soon as he declares war for one of them. Also can just move to NPC corporation untill he gets bored.
If anything - try to find srtonger corporation that could help you.
You need to be carefull of this as I believe that it is seen as being an exploit. |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
320
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Posted - 2012.11.18 16:12:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote:Kiwis23 wrote:Or... just create few alternative corporations, and move to them a soon as he declares war for one of them. Also can just move to NPC corporation untill he gets bored.
If anything - try to find srtonger corporation that could help you. You need to be carefull of this as I believe that it is seen as being an exploit.
This just seems more like being...evasive, to me.
"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson-á |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
48
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Posted - 2012.11.18 17:16:00 -
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Burn his corp with dec shield.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437&find=unread
On the other hand, if you're a miner and getting bumped rather than ganked you'll have to start doing stuff yourself so using the war as a training course in cheap frigate warfare isn't a bad idea. After you're finished letting him teach ya some stuff THEN burn his corp for maximum gain out of it. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
530
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Posted - 2012.11.18 17:20:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:Ahhh! Brilliant! I have three vic...um, I mean characters of interest, I am adding right now. I did notice that in the "Contact Management" window, it had two boxes that you could check. It gives a hint of a third selection only being covered by the text window. You can't manipulate the CM window to see what else is there. EDIT : Q on the local... Can this be taken a step further to reflect them only in a local tab? It is hard to follow in high populous like Jita, when the local is constantly updating and flashing non stop.
First to cover:
No, you can't change anything about local so it only shows your contacts.
Local shows everybody or recent speakers (or nothing in W-space unless spoken).
The contact management question I don't really get.
But what I make of it, the contact options are:
1.) Standings (-10, -5, 0, 5, 10)
2.) Tick box for add contact to watchlist
3.) Send Notification to < character name > + text box
number 3 will sent a notification about which standing you gave someone + the text box text.
If you then open Peoples&Places - People tab:
On left hand just above the menus with all standings different there is tick box that says 'online only' if that is ticked only online people will show in your People&Places.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
320
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Posted - 2012.11.18 17:36:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:The contact management question I don't really get.
But what I make of it, the contact options are:
1.) Standings (-10, -5, 0, 5, 10)
2.) Tick box for add contact to watchlist
3.) Send Notification to < character name > + text box.
After zooming in on my CM window, it seems that only one of all the contacts has this...phenomena.
In ref to number 3, there are 4 dots under the first word "Send". Two under the (S) and two under the (d).
I have no idea what it is. It gives the illusion that the text box is covering up a third check box option. I'm not going to worry about then. Thank you for the reply. As always they are duly noted.
I just need verification on the local setting. I keep it minimized all the time, anyway. I just thought by customizing a tab, I could actually fine use of it.
"I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the time he killed himself."
- Johnny Carson-á |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
268
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Posted - 2012.11.18 17:41:00 -
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1 man corps dont care about dec shield 9 times out of 10. Easy to make a new 1 man corp..
Agree tho with above advice, add him to watch list and just be a bit on your toes. If you like to mine AFK you deserve everything you get, if not then you will see him pop up on watch list and know to take evasive action.
It is possible for new players to team up in t1 bc and kill a t3 cruiser.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online.
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William Voxx
Oscuriath Nova Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:27:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice guys!!! |
Bam Stroker
InterSun Freelance
Moon Warriors
68
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:11:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15222470
You had two stabs, not three. Two will defeat most solo tacklers but isn't enough to get away from a faction scrambler. If you'd had a third stab in that final low slot you'd probably have been able to get away. Some tank in your rig slots would also be a good idea to increase your chances of surviving his blasters long enough to align and warp out.
I can't find more than that one kill, though. Are you exaggerating or was it your alt he was popping on the other occasions?
Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2). |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
48
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:11:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:1 man corps dont care about dec shield 9 times out of 10. Easy to make a new 1 man corp..
Easy to make another one man corp with no more war dec against the guys you paid to kill? I'm fairly certain they care about that. Even if it's no big deal to the aggressor the defender sheds a war dec and leaves the dude with a giant sore blue sack...mission accomplished.
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Jan Deltord
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:26:00 -
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Bam Stroker wrote:
Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).
If he's part of -A-, your other option is to find people who hate -A- and see if you can help them trap him.
It isnt a short list of people who hate -A- by the way. |
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Knives
Nexus Fleet
4
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:39:00 -
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Looks to me like you were mining in low sec (always a bad idea) and got hit. This has nothing to do with a war dec and its unlikely that -A- would bother war deccing your noob corp.
Once they've been kicked back to high sec they might though... |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
361
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:36:00 -
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Add him to contacts so you know when he logs in.
Run locator agents so you know where he is.
Stay together and fly in pvp ships,especially ewar.
If he really is one guy in a t3 then you should have no problems camping him into station with 4 or 5 guys in bcs/ewar cruisers. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
537
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Posted - 2012.11.20 13:12:00 -
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Bam Stroker wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15222470
You had two stabs, not three. Two will defeat most solo tacklers but isn't enough to get away from a faction scrambler. If you'd had a third stab in that final low slot you'd probably have been able to get away. Some tank in your rig slots would also be a good idea to increase your chances of surviving his blasters long enough to align and warp out.
I can't find more than that one kill, though. Are you exaggerating or was it your alt he was popping on the other occasions?
Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).
Confirming...
You were in low-sec.
This has NOTHING to do with a war-dec or something, just being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, in the wrong ship.
Low-sec doesn't have CONCORD, only gate/station guns, if you venture out of the reach of those, be prepared to fight others.
Also, not very likely that -A- would wardec your corporation, as a wardec will hurt their logistical abilities to ship stuff in and out of high-sec more then it would hurt you guys.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
543
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Posted - 2012.11.20 13:12:00 -
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Bam Stroker wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15222470
You had two stabs, not three. Two will defeat most solo tacklers but isn't enough to get away from a faction scrambler. If you'd had a third stab in that final low slot you'd probably have been able to get away. Some tank in your rig slots would also be a good idea to increase your chances of surviving his blasters long enough to align and warp out.
I can't find more than that one kill, though. Are you exaggerating or was it your alt he was popping on the other occasions?
Also you said this guy declared war on you, but he's not a solo pirate or even a small corp - he's in a 300+ man corp that's part of -A-. Was a formal wardec actually declared or do you just mean he's "at war" with you in a figurative sense because he keeps chasing you? Either way all you need to do to be safe from this guy is go to hisec since his security rating is terrible (-9.2).
Confirming...
You were in low-sec.
This has NOTHING to do with a war-dec or something, just being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, in the wrong ship.
Low-sec doesn't have CONCORD, only gate/station guns, if you venture out of the reach of those, be prepared to fight others.
Also, not very likely that -A- would wardec your corporation, as a wardec will hurt their logistical abilities to ship stuff in and out of high-sec more then it would hurt you guys.
EDIT:
Looked up your corp's war history in game, you were never at war with the guy who killed you.
He killed you cause you were mining in low-sec which means you made yourself an easy prey target for those who don't care about their security status.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace
180
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Posted - 2012.11.20 14:25:00 -
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Get all your corpies to get in dps\remote rep\ecm ships and get them into a system, at a belt and then have them log out.
Get one member of the corp to sit in that belt in a mining ship that's tanked as much as you can, has a scram and has neuts in the high slots (with 1 miner).
wait
When scumbag McEasykills finds you and agresses you have all your buddies log in, at the same time lock him and scram him, drop ECM drones on him and prey they work long enough for your buddies to turn up. Neut the hell out of him if he's in range and prey.
When your buddies get in, everyone target the guy, launch all the drones and pound him until explosions.
Chances are he'll have some tardofit office mods on his ship so you stand a chance of scooping something juicy.
Also, voice coms, for cheap cheap voice coms just use steam.
That sounds like a half decent plan to me, although I'm terrible at eve and should mostly be ignored.
Oh and when you're doing this, if anyone fits a warp core stab, kick them from corp.
I should probably shamelessly plug my corp but egh |
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
8
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Posted - 2012.11.20 14:36:00 -
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If he is definitely picking on you guys then you should team up and kill him. If he always flies the same ship then it's easy, and a few tier 1 BC's can do it easy. First you'll need a hardened bait ship, say a Ferox or Maller fitted with mining lasers (to look the part), a good tank set up to tank the damage type that he uses (thermal and kinetic judging from the kill mail), and some tackle to hold him down (scrambler and webifier, and a MWD so you can stay near him). Then have your buddies standing by in the next system, ready to jump in and save you. They can fit tackle also (in case you die), a lot of DPS, neuts, and racial ECM. That way you can quite easily stop him running away, stop him shooting at you, and kill him. Take him down hard with overwhelming odds, and show no mercy. Even if you or a couple of your mates die, as long as he goes down, his loss will be wayyy more than yours. Oh and since there is no official war dec, remember that if your mates shoot him without being shot at themselves, they will lose sec status too. And if you pod him too, you will lose a lot of sec. |
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