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CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 332	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:02:00 - [1] - Quote Hi! We will be holding a mass test on Buckingham on Thursday, November 22nd, at 19:00 UTC (= EVE time). We are aware that this collides with Thanksgivings in the US, but we hope that our players from Europe can fill the ranks. What exactly is being tested? Performance of the Retribution expansion New explosions, ship models, ... New brackets, new damage notifications Payout of bounties Crimewatch How to connect to Buckingham for this test: Read the Instructions at http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham and read general instructions about mass tests at http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mass_testing. Try to setup your Buckingham client as early as possible to avoid problems in the last minute. Join the in-game channels "MassTesting" and "MassQuestions" Test steps: to be decided What else should I know? We will be moving players to the test system - join the channel massmoveme for this Please bring a good mix of ships! Skill points will be awarded for this mass test Please run logserver during the mass test, if possible. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Writing bug reports \| Mass tests

Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 342	Posted - 2012.11.19 19:28:00 - [2] - Quote What system is it so we can move ships to it ahead of time Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 333	Posted - 2012.11.19 20:12:00 - [3] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: What system is it so we can move ships to it ahead of time Not decided yet - it depends on the exact feature list, which will be tested. Feel free to prepare ships in 6-CZ49, you should be able to use the moveme channels then to get them to the correct position. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Writing bug reports \| Mass tests

Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1158	Posted - 2012.11.20 00:40:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Lyron-Baktos wrote: What system is it so we can move ships to it ahead of time Not decided yet - it depends on the exact feature list, which will be tested. Feel free to prepare ships in 6-CZ49, you should be able to use the moveme channels then to get them to the correct position. I do not think you get the point of preparing ships. Plural: Ships. The point is to be able to quickly get another when your first blows up. You do not want your stash of prepared ships to be 20 jumps away. Sure moveme will get return you fast, but you still got to fly the pod to your stash. Ideally, your clone station is the same as the seeded station which are both in the system where any PvP test takes place, which is also where a special moveme sends you. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 342	Posted - 2012.11.20 03:11:00 - [5] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: CCP Habakuk wrote: Lyron-Baktos wrote: What system is it so we can move ships to it ahead of time Not decided yet - it depends on the exact feature list, which will be tested. Feel free to prepare ships in 6-CZ49, you should be able to use the moveme channels then to get them to the correct position. I do not think you get the point of preparing ships. Plural: Ships. The point is to be able to quickly get another when your first blows up. You do not want your stash of prepared ships to be 20 jumps away. Sure moveme will get return you fast, but you still got to fly the pod to your stash. Ideally, your clone station is the same as the seeded station which are both in the system where any PvP test takes place, which is also where a special moveme sends you. lol, I was thinking the same thing. Since when does "moveme" move your entire hangar as well Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934
Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.20 10:51:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Please bring a good mix of ships! Assuming we can bring capitals and will have Cynos available or are we keeping this strictly sub-cap ?

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 333	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:22:00 - [7] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: CCP Habakuk wrote: Lyron-Baktos wrote: What system is it so we can move ships to it ahead of time Not decided yet - it depends on the exact feature list, which will be tested. Feel free to prepare ships in 6-CZ49, you should be able to use the moveme channels then to get them to the correct position. I do not think you get the point of preparing ships. Plural: Ships. The point is to be able to quickly get another when your first blows up. You do not want your stash of prepared ships to be 20 jumps away. Sure moveme will get return you fast, but you still got to fly the pod to your stash. Ideally, your clone station is the same as the seeded station which are both in the system where any PvP test takes place, which is also where a special moveme sends you. lol, I was thinking the same thing. Since when does "moveme" move your entire hangar as well Normally both "moveme" and "massmoveme" are online for some time, which can be used to move several ships - but it is clear that it would be better to fit them directly in the correct station. Quote: Assuming we can bring capitals and will have Cynos available or are we keeping this strictly sub-cap ? Will be decided as soon as the systems are decided. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Writing bug reports \| Mass tests

Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 342	Posted - 2012.11.20 16:11:00 - [8] - Quote is this TQ skillpoints or test server skillpoints? Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934
Lucas Raholan Agenda Industries 10	Posted - 2012.11.20 19:33:00 - [9] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: is this TQ skillpoints or test server skillpoints? Test server points....you never get given skill points on TQ unless they remove skills and then reimburse you the amount you had trained on them. I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 335	Posted - 2012.11.21 14:00:00 - [10] - Quote The test steps have been added to the instructions and we are starting in 6-CZ49. Feel free to bring capital ships, but I would like to see also a good mix of other ships. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Writing bug reports \| Mass tests


General Stargazer Moira. Villore Accords 7	Posted - 2012.11.21 15:08:00 - [11] - Quote See you there again :D
Everseeker Northgate 11	Posted - 2012.11.21 18:42:00 - [12] - Quote OK, I normally pitch in here and quietly grumble about the fact that USA is pretty much ALWAYS excluded from your testing mix. And that this might NOT be exactly an optimal set of tests, when one considers the number of US zone players, and the fact that most of them connect thru an entirely different of routers than EU does. So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday (I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but In the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n
Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:12:00 - [13] - Quote Matthew97 wrote: Panhead4411 wrote: CCP Habakuk wrote: Yeah, unfortunately Thanksgivings is colliding with this mass test. I'm sorry that we cannot move the test to a better date for US players, but we hope that enough other players (Europe, ...) will show up this time. The mass test is also starting at 19:00, which should also make it a bit easier for European players. Whats funny is CCP is like, 'yeah it sucks that this falls on a traditional family holiday, and US won't be there'...and ignores the fact that the everyday occurrence of WORK gets in the way of most US players who would like to participate in MT's...but would prefer to not take a vacation day (or use up valuable sick-days) to do so. As said many times before, mass tests aren't done around you, they are done around CCP's schedule so they can be present to set it up and actually test stuff in a semi-controlled circumstance. If it was setup around the players hardly any mass-tests would happen because all the US players will cry they can't due to the TZ difference and if it was setup around the US players all the EU players will cry that they can't. So the best way to do it is look at when CCP is available and work around their schedule. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173598&find=unread

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1033	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:19:00 - [14] - Quote Everseeker wrote: So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday. I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but in the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n We need to have Friday to look at the results, read logs, process bug reports, etc. Then Friday and Monday to fix the last-minute issues that are reported and on Tuesday 27 Nov we start the release-porting process and begin building release candidates. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:23:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Everseeker wrote: So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday. I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but in the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n We need to have Friday to look at the results, read logs, process bug reports, etc. Then Friday and Monday to fix the last-minute issues that are reported and on Tuesday 27 Nov we start the release-porting process and begin building release candidates. Could you also bug someone to have a look at the reasons we can't bug report from Buckingham if our TQ account is inactive? My account lapsed over on TQ for a few days (including the last mass test date) and I couldn't report anything as http://bugs.eveonline.com and the In game bug report tool refuse to let you login with an expired account. Also the "save" option on bug reports seems to overwrite itself so if you save one, then save another, the first is lost :/

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1033	Posted - 2012.11.22 11:04:00 - [16] - Quote Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Everseeker wrote: So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday. I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but in the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n We need to have Friday to look at the results, read logs, process bug reports, etc. Then Friday and Monday to fix the last-minute issues that are reported and on Tuesday 27 Nov we start the release-porting process and begin building release candidates. Could you also bug someone to have a look at the reasons we can't bug report from Buckingham if our TQ account is inactive? My account lapsed over on TQ for a few days (including the last mass test date) and I couldn't report anything as http://bugs.eveonline.com and the In game bug report tool refuse to let you login with an expired account. Also the "save" option on bug reports seems to overwrite itself so if you save one, then save another, the first is lost :/ You need to have an active subscription. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

MainDrain 7th Deepari Defence Armada The Veyr Collective 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 11:38:00 - [17] - Quote Never been a part of a mass test before so just a few quick questions You say a good mix of ships - if i turned up with a couple of BS or BC fitted in the local station would that be suitable, is there scope to test the new destroyers in this action you mention fleet X and Y - do we form these up ourselves or do you guys just split us evenly Setting up Buckingham - i already have a recent version of Buckingham from a few days ago. Will there be a reasonable patch before we start, if so do you have an estimated size (assuming my character has been reactivated for buckingham that is) Log server - does this live in our eve install folder, and where/how do we pass the info from this on to you Cheers, realise these are probably stupid questions, but want to make sure im contributing not hindering/slowing the process

CCP Habakuk C C P C C P Alliance 339	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:29:00 - [18] - Quote MainDrain wrote: Never been a part of a mass test before so just a few quick questions You say a good mix of ships - if i turned up with a couple of BS or BC fitted in the local station would that be suitable, is there scope to test the new destroyers in this action Yeah, feel free to show up with these ships. Fit a few spare ships, if you plan to show up with destroyers. ;) Quote: you mention fleet X and Y - do we form these up ourselves or do you guys just split us evenly We will form fleet - just follow the instructions in the MOTD of the MassTesting channel before the test ( http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mass_testing also covers the normal procedures) Quote: Setting up Buckingham - i already have a recent version of Buckingham from a few days ago. Will there be a reasonable patch before we start, if so do you have an estimated size (assuming my character has been reactivated for buckingham that is) The patch size should be comparably small, but I don't know which version you have. We will very likely also deploy a new version later today to fix some bugs. Quote: Log server - does this live in our eve install folder, and where/how do we pass the info from this on to you Yes, it lives in the eve install folder (see http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Logserver for more info). Please send the zipped logs with a bug report to us, but only if you encountered bugs during the test. CCP Habakuk \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Gridlock Writing bug reports \| Mass tests

Salpun Paramount Commerce 426	Posted - 2012.11.22 12:40:00 - [19] - Quote Why is Bucky is still locked down
Kate Mosh Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1	Posted - 2012.11.22 17:08:00 - [20] - Quote Everseeker wrote: OK, I normally pitch in here and quietly grumble about the fact that USA is pretty much ALWAYS excluded from your testing mix. And that this might NOT be exactly an optimal test precondition, when one considers the number of US zone players, and the fact that most of them connect thru an entirely different of routers than EU does. (Not saying it kills the tests, or in any way diminishes their value. Just saying a wider variety of data points is better, IMHO) So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday. I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but in the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n I'm sure the entire Eve community is reeling because the test wasn't based around your schedule. Vote for me for next CSM election and I promise to represent you and only you in every meeting. Though I currently hold no weight with CCP, I'm going to go ahead and apologize to you on their behalf and ask that they notify you in advance of the next mass test and make sure it works with your schedule. CCP also seems to have no idea of the importance of the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade or this test would have been scheduled at a different time of day as well. I LOVE A PARADE! p.s. More people in the US have Thursday off than they do Friday, seeing as how Thursday is the actual holiday. Also, Thanksgiving DINNER doesn't usually take place at 11:00 AM.

AdZc Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix 9	Posted - 2012.11.22 17:57:00 - [21] - Quote Everseeker wrote: OK, I normally pitch in here and quietly grumble about the fact that USA is pretty much ALWAYS excluded from your testing mix. And that this might NOT be exactly an optimal test precondition, when one considers the number of US zone players, and the fact that most of them connect thru an entirely different of routers than EU does. (Not saying it kills the tests, or in any way diminishes their value. Just saying a wider variety of data points is better, IMHO) So, ummm... +5 for scheduling the test when US has the day off... -5 for scheduling it on Thursday. I know, it's tradition to run on Thursday, but in the US, Thursday is Thanksgiving/Turkey Day Friday is All off work, recovering from Thursday, not much to do... So, that being the case, might a move to Friday be.... a GOOD thing? Just say'n Daaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww. Please note any EU based games dev, you must ensure you keep to US timezones for any testing.
Sokai Yakangal Mr. Kite's Flying Circus 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 18:09:00 - [22] - Quote Hello it's the first time i take part in a test event. and i have some question: - is it a problem if when i start the game my character aren't updated? i got my old skills, old ships and my new 3th character are missing - do what we loose in the test will be loose in real-eve server ? thx
Panhead4411 Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge 253	Posted - 2012.11.22 18:35:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Habakuk wrote: Hi! We will be holding a mass test on Buckingham on Thursday, November 22nd, at 19:00 UTC (= EVE time). We are aware that this collides with Thanksgivings in the US, but we hope that our players from Europe can fill the ranks. Wait, hoping EU players fill the missing ranks of the usually non-existent US testers? I'm confused. I guess it's CCP, it doesn't have to make since if they believe hard enough in their heads... Here's to hoping targeting isn't borked again! Sokai, you will be able to fly what you could in Eve as of the end of October... And the ships you lose and items you buy on the Test Server to NOT transfer to TQ (Live server) as most things only cost 100.00 ISK. http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Sokai Yakangal Mr. Kite's Flying Circus 0	Posted - 2012.11.22 20:55:00 - [24] - Quote Panhead4411 wrote: CCP Habakuk wrote: Hi! We will be holding a mass test on Buckingham on Thursday, November 22nd, at 19:00 UTC (= EVE time). We are aware that this collides with Thanksgivings in the US, but we hope that our players from Europe can fill the ranks. Wait, hoping EU players fill the missing ranks of the usually non-existent US testers? I'm confused. I guess it's CCP, it doesn't have to make since if they believe hard enough in their heads... Here's to hoping targeting isn't borked again! Sokai, you will be able to fly what you could in Eve as of the end of October... And the ships you lose and items you buy on the Test Server to NOT transfer to TQ (Live server) as most things only cost 100.00 ISK. thx ;) it was laggy but funny !
Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.23 09:30:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: [You need to have an active subscription. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying so here's the simpler version WHY do I need an active subscription to report stuff on the test server?

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1034	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:10:00 - [26] - Quote Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: [You need to have an active subscription. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying so here's the simpler version WHY do I need an active subscription to report stuff on the test server? Because our bug reporting system can receive bug reports from client from multiple test servers and Tranquility but only uses one, Tranquility, for authentication. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:14:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: [You need to have an active subscription. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying so here's the simpler version WHY do I need an active subscription to report stuff on the test server? Because our bug reporting system can receive bug reports from client from multiple test servers and Tranquility but only uses one, Tranquility, for authentication. And there is no way around this? It seems pretty silly that I could find a bug report on Bucky but be unable to report it just because Im no longer an active subscriber at the time.

CCP Explorer C C P C C P Alliance 1034	Posted - 2012.11.23 10:54:00 - [28] - Quote Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: [You need to have an active subscription. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying so here's the simpler version WHY do I need an active subscription to report stuff on the test server? Because our bug reporting system can receive bug reports from client from multiple test servers and Tranquility but only uses one, Tranquility, for authentication. And there is no way around this? It seems pretty silly that I could find a bug report on Bucky but be unable to report it just because Im no longer an active subscriber at the time. The easiest work-around is for you to renew the subscription Thanks for participating on Buckingham, what did you encounter that you wanted to report? Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson \| Software Director \| EVE Online, CCP Games \| Follow on: Twitter / Google+

Matthew97 Pro Synergy ARK. 71	Posted - 2012.11.23 11:36:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Explorer wrote: Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: Matthew97 wrote: CCP Explorer wrote: [You need to have an active subscription. Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying so here's the simpler version WHY do I need an active subscription to report stuff on the test server? Because our bug reporting system can receive bug reports from client from multiple test servers and Tranquility but only uses one, Tranquility, for authentication. And there is no way around this? It seems pretty silly that I could find a bug report on Bucky but be unable to report it just because Im no longer an active subscriber at the time. The easiest work-around is for you to renew the subscription Thanks for participating on Buckingham, what did you encounter that you wanted to report? In reply to the bug - look at my old bug report ID 144745 that was filtered (and at one point marked as "Not Reproducible". Exact same error happened when I undocked in a Chimera.


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