Except for the whole, you know, not being able to kill in high sec anyway? Even if you get the kill rights, that just prevents your sec status from being hit if you engage in low sec. That doesn't mean you can magically pop anyone you want in high sec without Concord. You'll still get the Dokken if you shoot someone in highsec without when you aren't at war or they aren't flashy red.

Except for the whole, you know, not being able to kill in high sec anyway? Even if you get the kill rights, that just prevents your sec status from being hit if you engage in low sec. That doesn't mean you can magically pop anyone you want in high sec without Concord. You'll still get the Dokken if you shoot someone in highsec without when you aren't at war or they aren't flashy red.

Legality Flag: This flag exists to penalize those who commit criminal/suspicious actions in Empire space (high and low sec). A character with a Legal flag is always a legal target for offense from all other players

If hisec people could be organized they would already be. What can happen is merc market finally going live but again, merc corps already exist so it will only be a boost to existing thing.

Also kill rights don't matter outside hisec so good luck with "police force" executing their "rights" anywhere else.

When you think about it, this doesn't just open up the profession of a "police force" but also being a "professional victim".

Using these mechanics: "If the target manages to escape and the Suspect flag timer (15 minutes) lapses, the kill right is still available to be purchased (activated) later on."

I'll get kill rights on myself with an alt, sell the kill rights. Then i'll fly around in empire with 5 warp core stabs in the low slots to bait people to buy the kill rights. Escape due to WCS', wait 15 minutes, repeat. It's not going to be very profitable if the kill rights are 1 mil a piece, but still :D

From the dev blog on bounties:

"The second way is in how the kill right is used. This is changing from previous functionality. If you have a kill right against someone, you can activate that kill right to make your target a suspect (i.e. give him a Suspect Flag, as explained in the crimewatch blog). This allows anyone in the vicinity of the suspect to engage him legally."

And here:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63443/1/logo2_flags2consequences.png

Suspect flag = "Can be freely attacked by other players"

I have been considering a scenario.
I am not sure how it will all play out, but here goes:

1. Assume you acquire the killrights for a substantial amount of the suicide gankers in Uedama.
This is pretty much a group from goons and some crew called Initiative Mercenaries, or some derivative of that name.
2. Assume you magically find one of their safespots where they mass just before moving in on some freighter they have bumped 200+ km from the gate.
3. Assume you have a sizeable crew of people you trust implicitly.
4. Assume you are in an Arazu or some other cloaky tackler at said safespot.
5. You decloak, as well as all your other friends, (maybe in 110K EHP, 500 DPS Covops Proteus), just as you activate the killrights making these asshats Suspects and flashy.
6. Assume you get lucky and able to get a tackle before one or all of the asshats warp out.

Then, and only then, can you kill one or two of these guys and then killrights are valuable.

But frankly, there are so many holes and game mechanic issues in those assumptions, that I can't see it happening.
Finding pods in space, (because these guys are not dumb enough to hang out in their Taolos or Tornados in space), is essentially impossible if they are warping from safe spot to safe spot.
Also, the lag between decloaking an Arazu and locking is so long the criminals will easily warp out.
And if the gankers choose to stay and fight, rest assured those boats you are targeting are not set for ganking, but for PvP, and their OOC logis are inbound. It won't matter if the logi's go flashy, because the gankers won't engage unless they are pretty sure can win the fight.

What is far more likely is the sociopaths will make a mockery of this new Crimewatch, and with the bounty system, we will simply see a lot more kills in high sec, with the sociopaths just gloating in local chat.

Nice thinking, but way to much. Those guys are mostly allready at -10.0 and free to shoot anyway.

I think this patch will be great first... but after a while everybody realizes that he will get spanked in highsec if they do any lowsec pvp so in the end = less pvp.

I think you re-enforced my point.

If you guys are already flashy and available as targets in high sec, and are already killing without any repercussions, then the new Crimewatch Suspect and killrights add nothing more, and you will continue to run without any repercussions, and this whole Crimewatch feature is complete garbage.

God I hope so. Most noble E-Samurai types are absolute rubbish at fitting ships.

After reading through this thread, I now see that despite multiple dev blogs, dev threads, and massive GD threadnaughts about kill rights, over three quarters of people still have no clue how the system is going to work.

It will be a terrible system. It is going to rid empire of a good amount of pvp within a few months (war changes already did most of that work). If you are not aware of this, then you are either illiterate, or ignorant. Or a bear who is happy that he will finally be able to bear in peace. Well, you actually won't, because griefing will never go away, and now it will be fueled by vengeance.

Bounties = good
Kill rights = bad
Crimewatch = bad

HAHA I told you this over a month ago. Come the roll out of retribution, only some 10% of the players are going to have a clue what is happening, and even fewer will be able to take advantage of it.

Just wait til after DEC 4th and players are writting threads asking what are those weird new icons on ships?

Or How do I buy a kill right?

And I was just flying along minding my own business and suddenly this guy turns red right in front of me. And like everybody around was shooting at him and how and why did this happen? I have no clue...
Does this mean he can shoot at me? What is going on? How come concord did nothing?

Oh we are going to see so many questions it will be obvious how little everybody understands retribution.

I have been considering a scenario.
I am not sure how it will all play out, but here goes:

1. Assume you acquire the killrights for a substantial amount of the suicide gankers in Uedama.
This is pretty much a group from goons and some crew called Initiative Mercenaries, or some derivative of that name.
2. Assume you magically find one of their safespots where they mass just before moving in on some freighter they have bumped 200+ km from the gate.
3. Assume you have a sizeable crew of people you trust implicitly.
4. Assume you are in an Arazu or some other cloaky tackler at said safespot.
5. You decloak, as well as all your other friends, (maybe in 110K EHP, 500 DPS Covops Proteus), just as you activate the killrights making these asshats Suspects and flashy.
6. Assume you get lucky and able to get a tackle before one or all of the asshats warp out.

Then, and only then, can you kill one or two of these guys and then killrights are valuable.

But frankly, there are so many holes and game mechanic issues in those assumptions, that I can't see it happening.
Finding pods in space, (because these guys are not dumb enough to hang out in their Taolos or Tornados in space), is essentially impossible if they are warping from safe spot to safe spot.
Also, the lag between decloaking an Arazu and locking is so long the criminals will easily warp out.
And if the gankers choose to stay and fight, rest assured those boats you are targeting are not set for ganking, but for PvP, and their OOC logis are inbound. It won't matter if the logi's go flashy, because the gankers won't engage unless they are pretty sure can win the fight.

What is far more likely is the sociopaths will make a mockery of this new Crimewatch, and with the bounty system, we will simply see a lot more kills in high sec, with the sociopaths just gloating in local chat.

Do you know that your scenario can not happen like you describe it with retribution.

It is impossible to acquire kill rights and stock pile them.

If a player A sells his kill right that he has on player B then player B's icon changes over his ship. When you see this player B flying around with this different looking icon it is to clue you in that he has kill rights for sale on him.

What you do is right click on him and buy the kill right which activates it for 15 minutes right now. As soon as you make the purchase. He turns red right on the spot to everybody around him. Any player can legally shoot him that sees him red without getting concorded. Once you open fire he can return fire. Again without concord action.

If he avoids getting killed for 15 minutes then the red status goes away. The kill right becomes available to be bought again on player B. If you continue to attack him after he stops being red you will get concorded. If he keeps firing at you after the red status goes away he will get concorded. The open free attack zone only lasts 15 minutes on a timer.

Again if player B does not die then the kill right for sale still exsists. It is not cleared. And can be repurchased for another 15 minute timer. There might be a cool down before this resets. Not sure about that.

If player B does get killed and if player B has a bounty then up to 20% of the value of the ship he was flying in when he was killed will get paid out to the final blow killer. Say player B had a 100 million bounty and was flying a ship worth 20 million.
Say player C got the final blow. Then player C will get 4 million of the bounty (20% of 20 million) and the new bounty on player B will be 96 million.

Also if player B does get killed then the kill right gets cleared and his icon reverts to normal. Indicating no kill rights for sale available on player B.

How many of you have any clue this is going to happen? Just about nobody is ready for this.

If you are correct, then Crimewatch is even more screwed than I thought.

I realize I can collect my own kill rights anytime someone shoots at me, but if I can't stockpile kill rights, it is all over baby.
The most idiotic part is that assuming I was able to tackle someone who I had my own/bought a kill right, his ganker buddies sitting right beside him can shoot him and hope for the killing shot and collect the bounty, if there is any.

As I stated before, this new system will do nothing to slow down the suicide ganking in places like Uedama.
It will just get worse.

As I stated before, this new system will do nothing to slow down the suicide ganking in places like Uedama.
It will just get worse.

If you are correct, then Crimewatch is even more screwed than I thought.

I realize I can collect my own kill rights anytime someone shoots at me, but if I can't stockpile kill rights, it is all over baby.
The most idiotic part is that assuming I was able to tackle someone who I had my own/bought a kill right, his ganker buddies sitting right beside him can shoot him and hope for the killing shot and collect the bounty, if there is any.

As I stated before, this new system will do nothing to slow down the suicide ganking in places like Uedama.
It will just get worse.