crimewatch

I think you're overestimating the effect new bounties will have. Bounties will be exactly as relevant after the patch as before.

What is this change? Details please.

What is this change? Details please.

I hope you are correct, while I fear you are not.

Don't forget heavy missiles nerfed, most other missiles buffed.

And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers.

And nobody will miss them.

And nobody will miss them.

Cause CCP doesn't care about their RL isk.

Why don't you read the forum section where it has been discussed for the last 2 months, or maybe the dev blogs instead of cluttering up GD?

If we're talking RL here, I'm sure Dr. Whats-his-name at CCP has already factored in corporate losses on a much higher scale from the released of DUST over the first 12-18 months than from those few EveO whiners that actually quit rather that failquit over something like a minor mechanic change.

Except this isn't a minor mechanic change. It's basically giving griefers a free pass to not be Concorded for as long as they have isk.

That's not minor.

That's not minor.

Yo, bounty doesn't equal kill rights. Learn2read otherwise you can have trouble finding that unsub button you love so much.

Yo, bounty doesn't equal kill rights. Learn2read otherwise you can have trouble finding that unsub button you love so much.

3) Selling kill rights

And nobody will miss them.

Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up.

And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :)

Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up.

And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :)

If, the new bounty system "messes up" the ability of casual gamers to play EVE mostly free from girefing by PVPers, and the carebears begin to mass unsub as a result, there WILL be changes to the new bounty system.

We'll have to agree to disagree. This is minor in the larger scale of things. It will most likely get changed within 6 months as soon a CCP sees how much it'll be abused, and absolutely nothing of consequence will come from the change. How many times have the failquitter calls gone out in the last year? I personally doubt whether any numbers of any real consequence left the game permanently at those times. Tactics and play styles changed, and they will again.

The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game.

Ironic, huh?


Edit: on a quick note, let's not confuse a BOUNTY with KILL RIGHTS. They aren't the same thing.

How are they not the same thing in this situation? From what I see, Griefer A puts bounty on Bear B. Griefer B, in the same corp as Griefer A, buys kill rights to Bear B and then proceeds to kill them again and again.

Is this right?

The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game.

Ironic, huh?

I don't think so. If I remember correctly, kill rights only work for one kill. Unless Bear B is actually PvPer B who has a lot of people owning his killrights, buying them over and over won't be an option.

Hold on. So if Bear B didn't pod anyone or anything, he can't get killed EVEN if Griefer A puts a bounty on him?

But is Bear B is actually PVP'er B, and he podded Griefer A in the past, Griefer A can buy kill rights, pop him ONCE, and then he can't pop him again?

Bounties are completely separate from killrights/GCC/everything crimewatch. Bounties are just a side-system to reward those who kill someone -- be it a legal or illegal kill.

Wait really?

Hold on. So if Bear B didn't pod anyone or anything, he can't get killed EVEN if Griefer A puts a bounty on him?

But is Bear B is actually PVP'er B, and he podded Griefer A in the past, Griefer A can buy kill rights, pop him ONCE, and then he can't pop him again?

Pretty much yes.

A lot of people bleating on about bounties and saleable kill rights seem to be forgetting that if the player has done nothing that generates a kill right theres nothing for people to sell or buy. Using your example if Bear B has never killed another player or done anything else that could generate a kill right for someone to sell the only way he can be attacked is if the other two are willing to suicide gank him, which is no different from how it is right now.

How are they not the same thing in this situation? From what I see, Griefer A puts bounty on Bear B. Griefer B, in the same corp as Griefer A, buys kill rights to Bear B and then proceeds to kill them again and again.

Is this right?

If that's the case and carebears are safe, then meh, I'm fine with it. As long as the pubbies aren't persecuted by CCP. This could actually be REALLY good for them.

Just because no one has kill rights on you does not make you "safe". If there is a 40 million ISK bounty on you, and you are out mining in a 200 million ISK hulk, than a pack of 20, 1 million ISK destroyers can profitably suicide gank you. They lose 20 million ISK to CONCORD and collect 40 million ISK ( 20% of the 200 million iSK loss) from the bounty payout.

(Aside: I do not have any idea if it would really take 20 destroyers to take out a hulk... I was going with a number I assumed to be "way more than enough to do the job".)

Yes, you have no idea but you wrote it anyway. Just as other people who have no idea about most of things they create threads about spreading panic and threats of "mass unsub". Also, hulk will die because it is fun friday night corp party, 40mil of bounty is irrelevant.

Griefer C may or may not have time to actually POD Bear B before Concord responds (probably not). So Griefer D kills Bear B's pod in order to get at the bounty.

In any case, a lot of attention is being paid to Bear B and his whereabouts, making carebear life rather miserable for him.

At which time, bear B unsub's the account, and when asked why, says it is to clear the bounty off his toon. CCP then makes changes to the new bounty system to stop the unsub's.

New bounty system. Place a bounty on anyone. Get 20% of the lost value when you blow up a ship or pod of someone that has a bounty on them. Go inactive for 5 months to remove the bounty from your toon, returning the ISK to the toon that put the bounty on you. Since you have to lose 5x the value of the bounty in ships to remove the bounty, this will be an excellent extortion tool.... pay me X isk, or I will put a X isk bounty on you.... Also a great way of breaking up rival corporations. Someone is recruiting too heavily? Shut them down by putting a massive bounty on their corp. No new player is going to want to join a corp that has a massive bounty on it. (I know, I know... works as designed... Except most of the shenanigans the bounty system is intended to let you get "retribution" for, is done with throw away toons.)



Changes to frigs and cruisers to give each a dedicated role... repair, probing, electronic warfare(web, scram, jam, etc). New dedicated mining frigate ORE ship. New destroyer for each race. (eventually there will be a skill split so that there will be separate destroyer and BC skills for each rice, like other ships... but this is not happening until "early 2013". When it does happen, you will get the racial destroyer skill to the level of your current destroyer skill, for any race you have frig 4+ and the BC skill of each equal to your current BC level for each race that you have cruiser 3+. )


Rats will switch targets now. Not a big deal if you solo L4s high sec, but could be a big deal for escalations like mazes.


UI changes for how locked targets are displayed.


Changes to inventory window to make up for the disaster that was the shared inventory window.



Okay, I'm sure I've missed stuff. So, what am I missing?

Asteroid comes down from the sky and smacks into eve. Everyone in this thread dies.

Rats will switch targets now. Not a big deal if you solo L4s high sec, but could be a big deal for escalations like mazes.

I think the most dangerous and probably amusing part is going to be the first couple of weeks, as people who don't understand the change suicide gank people with high bounty values but low value ships, and then wonder why they only got 40,000 ISK back in exchange for their battlecruiser (or whatever)

There's still going to be a lot of uninformed individuals about when this goes live.
My predictions:

Day 1. "I just put a 200mil bounty on some dude and I'm not allowed to attack him, WTF CCP!!!1"

Day 2. "I just killed a cruiser with a 200mil bounty on it, and I only got a 3mil payment, but it's supposed to be 20%, WTF CCP???!"

While we are at it, there was a thread spreading information (was it true?) that act of "selling" killrights is going to be not some kind of transfer of killrights from on individual to another, but some sort of ability to magically turn a person into a suspect at any moment (making them attackable by everyone). Were those just a rumors? I maybe fail @ searching, but don't really see anything like that told by reliable source.

Those were not mere rumors, here is your reliable source.

I haven't read it anywhere, but will the bounty placer be known to be the one that placed the bounty on the bountyee'?


(yes I did that on person, no its not a joke question)

I haven't read it anywhere, but will the bounty placer be known to be the one that placed the bounty on the bountyee'?


(yes I did that on person, no its not a joke question)