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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:23:00 -
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New bounty system. Place a bounty on anyone. Get 20% of the lost value when you blow up a ship or pod of someone that has a bounty on them. Go inactive for 5 months to remove the bounty from your toon, returning the ISK to the toon that put the bounty on you. Since you have to lose 5x the value of the bounty in ships to remove the bounty, this will be an excellent extortion tool.... pay me X isk, or I will put a X isk bounty on you.... Also a great way of breaking up rival corporations. Someone is recruiting too heavily? Shut them down by putting a massive bounty on their corp. No new player is going to want to join a corp that has a massive bounty on it. (I know, I know... works as designed... Except most of the shenanigans the bounty system is intended to let you get "retribution" for, is done with throw away toons.)
Changes to frigs and cruisers to give each a dedicated role... repair, probing, electronic warfare(web, scram, jam, etc). New dedicated mining frigate ORE ship. New destroyer for each race. (eventually there will be a skill split so that there will be separate destroyer and BC skills for each rice, like other ships... but this is not happening until "early 2013". When it does happen, you will get the racial destroyer skill to the level of your current destroyer skill, for any race you have frig 4+ and the BC skill of each equal to your current BC level for each race that you have cruiser 3+. )
Rats will switch targets now. Not a big deal if you solo L4s high sec, but could be a big deal for escalations like mazes.
UI changes for how locked targets are displayed.
Changes to inventory window to make up for the disaster that was the shared inventory window.
Okay, I'm sure I've missed stuff. So, what am I missing?
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
361
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:26:00 -
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crimewatch |
Nex apparatu5
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:30:00 -
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I think you're overestimating the effect new bounties will have. Bounties will be exactly as relevant after the patch as before. |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel
Apocalypse Now.
128
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:36:00 -
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Inventory updates. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:37:00 -
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What is this change? Details please.
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:37:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I think you're overestimating the effect new bounties will have. Bounties will be exactly as relevant after the patch as before.
I hope you are correct, while I fear you are not. |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:40:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:What is this change? Details please.
Why don't you read the forum section where it has been discussed for the last 2 months, or maybe the dev blogs instead of cluttering up GD? |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:43:00 -
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And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers.  |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2763
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:43:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:What is this change? Details please.
I think he is referring to how criminal flagging works, including the "suspect" status where anyone can shoot you but not Concord. Sellable kill rights also figures into that.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2763
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:45:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:I think you're overestimating the effect new bounties will have. Bounties will be exactly as relevant after the patch as before. I hope you are correct, while I fear you are not.
I don't. The whole point is for them to be more relevant for those operating on both sides of the law.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2763
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Posted - 2012.11.20 16:49:00 -
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Don't forget heavy missiles nerfed, most other missiles buffed.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:09:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Don't forget heavy missiles nerfed, most other missiles buffed.
I've been resisting setting up a HAM Tengu, because I love my 112k Heavy range...  But since I've never done it before, I'll have to give it a whirl!! |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
166
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:18:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers.
And nobody will miss them.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:19:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers. And nobody will miss them.
Cause CCP doesn't care about their RL isk.  |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:20:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers. And nobody will miss them.
This. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:22:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers. And nobody will miss them. Cause CCP doesn't care about their RL isk.
If we're talking RL here, I'm sure Dr. Whats-his-name at CCP has already factored in corporate losses on a much higher scale from the released of DUST over the first 12-18 months than from those few EveO whiners that actually quit rather than failquit over something like a minor mechanic change.
edit: speeling |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:23:00 -
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Doddy wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:What is this change? Details please. Why don't you read the forum section where it has been discussed for the last 2 months, or maybe the dev blogs instead of cluttering up GD?
Sorry. Just recently returned to game after a year away. Trying to catch up.
I read the dev blog twice, and here is what I came up with.
1) if you steal, anyone can shoot you, not just the corp you stole from.
2) Logi pilots will no longer be able to just jump through the gate and back when they get targeted in PVP...
3) Selling kill rights
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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:24:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers. And nobody will miss them. Cause CCP doesn't care about their RL isk. If we're talking RL here, I'm sure Dr. Whats-his-name at CCP has already factored in corporate losses on a much higher scale from the released of DUST over the first 12-18 months than from those few EveO whiners that actually quit rather that failquit over something like a minor mechanic change.
Except this isn't a minor mechanic change. It's basically giving griefers a free pass to not be Concorded for as long as they have isk.
That's not minor. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
166
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:28:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Except this isn't a minor mechanic change. It's basically giving griefers a free pass to not be Concorded for as long as they have isk.
That's not minor.
Yo, bounty doesn't equal kill rights. Learn2read otherwise you can have trouble finding that unsub button you love so much.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:29:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
That's not minor.
We'll have to agree to disagree. This is minor in the larger scale of things. It will most likely get changed within 6 months as soon a CCP sees how much it'll be abused, and absolutely nothing of consequence will come from the change. How many times have the failquitter calls gone out in the last year? I personally doubt whether any numbers of any real consequence left the game permanently at those times. Tactics and play styles changed, and they will again. |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:30:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:Except this isn't a minor mechanic change. It's basically giving griefers a free pass to not be Concorded for as long as they have isk.
That's not minor. Yo, bounty doesn't equal kill rights. Learn2read otherwise you can have trouble finding that unsub button you love so much.
Read? Are you mad? Much easier to write complaints.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:30:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:Except this isn't a minor mechanic change. It's basically giving griefers a free pass to not be Concorded for as long as they have isk.
That's not minor. Yo, bounty doesn't equal kill rights. Learn2read otherwise you can have trouble finding that unsub button you love so much.
See
LHA Tarawa wrote:
3) Selling kill rights
Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up.
And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :) |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:32:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:And if those bounty changes are right, mass unsubs will follow from casual gamers. And nobody will miss them.
CCP has gone to great lengths to make a game that can be enjoyed by both PVPers and carebears.
They have created a sandbox with different areas, that allow different players to enjoy playing different playing styles.
I believe that CCP saw the PVPers bringing war to carebears as a major problem, and came up with changes to the bounty system as a fix. A PVPer messes with a carebear, the carebear can slap a bounty on the PVPer as a means fo coutner griefing. Unfortunately, I don't think it will actually be used that way. I think it will be used by griefers to cause more grief to carebears.
I don't see any posts from carebears chomping at the bit to put bounties on the bumpers and gankers. I see lots of posts from PVPers hoping it will be a way for them to cause more grief to carebears.
Here is the bottom line:
If, the new bounty system "messes up" the ability of casual gamers to play EVE mostly free from girefing by PVPers, and the carebears begin to mass unsub as a result, there WILL be changes to the new bounty system. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
166
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:34:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:
3) Selling kill rights
Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up. And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :)
Well, how is it griefing if you buy somebody's kill rights? Kill rights mean somebody got killed in the first place, so going after killer is griefing now?
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:35:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:
3) Selling kill rights
Selling kill rights, buying kill rights. In the end, it's kill rights, it prevents CONCORD from showing up. And I already have the unsub button ready to go if this is the case :)
You only get kill rights to sell, when they attack you, and you are not a legal target.
If you never illegally attack someone, then there will never be kill rights on you for someone to sell to someone else. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:39:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:If, the new bounty system "messes up" the ability of casual gamers to play EVE mostly free from girefing by PVPers, and the carebears begin to mass unsub as a result, there WILL be changes to the new bounty system.
The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game.
Ironic, huh?
Edit: on a quick note, let's not confuse a BOUNTY with KILL RIGHTS. They aren't the same thing. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:42:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:
That's not minor.
We'll have to agree to disagree. This is minor in the larger scale of things. It will most likely get changed within 6 months as soon a CCP sees how much it'll be abused, and absolutely nothing of consequence will come from the change. How many times have the failquitter calls gone out in the last year? I personally doubt whether any numbers of any real consequence left the game permanently at those times. Tactics and play styles changed, and they will again.
I quit for a year and a half after CCP's pay-to-win plans were leaked by CSM.
4 accounts x $15 x 18 = a tad over $1000 they lost from just me. I hear the numbers were like 25K lost subscriptions over that one.... quarter to half a million dollars a year. Seems CCP took notice of that one.
I hear similar numbers were dropping after the perm-a-hulkageddon and war on high sec began... thus the changes to mining barges to keep the carebears in game.
CCP has shown they do, in fact, care about how many subscriptions they are selling per month.
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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
3
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:43:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:If, the new bounty system "messes up" the ability of casual gamers to play EVE mostly free from girefing by PVPers, and the carebears begin to mass unsub as a result, there WILL be changes to the new bounty system. The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game. Ironic, huh? Edit: on a quick note, let's not confuse a BOUNTY with KILL RIGHTS. They aren't the same thing.
How are they not the same thing in this situation? From what I see, Griefer A puts bounty on Bear B. Griefer B, in the same corp as Griefer A, buys kill rights to Bear B and then proceeds to kill them again and again.
Is this right? |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:47:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:How are they not the same thing in this situation? From what I see, Griefer A puts bounty on Bear B. Griefer B, in the same corp as Griefer A, buys kill rights to Bear B and then proceeds to kill them again and again.
Is this right?
I don't think so. If I remember correctly, kill rights only work for one kill. Unless Bear B is actually PvPer B who has a lot of people owning his killrights, buying them over and over won't be an option.
ISD LackOfFaith
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.11.20 17:48:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:If, the new bounty system "messes up" the ability of casual gamers to play EVE mostly free from girefing by PVPers, and the carebears begin to mass unsub as a result, there WILL be changes to the new bounty system. The only "mass" protest I see happening, if anything, is that people will waste time (which they paid for, one way or another) to sit in-game doing NOTHING but shoot at non-destructible objects in game. Ironic, huh?
Some people play the game to blow up other players ships. Some people play the game to harvest resources, build stuff, and sell it to people that got their ships blown up.
Why can not both player types co-exist in the same game? Why do those that enjoy blowing up other people's ship insist on making every ship a legal target? There are MORE than enough of you PVPers to have plenty of fun blowing each other up. There is no need to turn every carebear into a PVPer.
NOR, more importantly, is it possible to convert a carebear into a PVPer. You can't make them play the game, so you can't make them play the game the way you want them to play it. Anytime you think "It would be easier for me to kill carebears if CCP changes...." just change it to "The carebears will quit playing and CCP will lose revenue if....".
You can't make us play a game where we would be little more than easy targets for griefers to use to grow their epeen by padding their KB stats.
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