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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 07:28:00 -
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continued from This statement
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Quote: Now in week 5 our losses have reduced and we are inflicting more material damage than we are suffering and it is apparent the Golden Fleet has been ordered not to fight our pilots 1v1 through fear at our duelling prowess.
Gaven starts laughing
Do you do no research on your opponents at all before picking a fight? I mean really... do you do absolutely no research at all? Duelling prowess... Gaven laughs the reason you arent engaged 1v1 isnt some matter of dueling prowess, its a matter of discipline. You have none... hence you have a load of duelests who cant work together worth anything. You have a worthless intellegence division obviously if you believe that the CVA does not duel you for fear of you. I believe that the anti-duelling rule has been on the books for PIE... oh since before your little war in the north. So to claim it is based on your 'prowess' is a tad on the ludicrious side. I suggest you fire your intellegence officer as our stance on such matters has been long standing.
Your losses have gone down... because we dont care about you. You arent a true threat, you will never be a real threat. You dont have it in you. You had high losses when we devoted our energies directly at you due to a lull in pirateing in upper providence and Concord getting in the way of our defending the empire against the minmatar... now we are dealing with those actual threats to the livelyhood of the Empire, and ignoreing those who only threaten its defenders.
We cannot break for God is on our side. Give up your fools crusade before Amarr's attention falls once again upon you.
Smiles
I call it as it is. It isnt my job to rid you of your own delusions.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.24 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri We cannot break for God is on our side. Give up your fools crusade before Amarr's attention falls once again upon you.
No, God is on our side. In fact God doesn't like you for being so up yourself, and claiming to be doing his work. We don't claim to be doing God's work, but we know he likes us better anyway. --------------------------------------------------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 07:39:00 -
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Besides,
God doesnt like ugly people, so we rebuke you! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.24 08:15:00 -
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Two points.
Firstly, your stated aim in this war is to secure the release of the so-called Mamet 500 into your grubby little hands. You are no closer to acheiving this, and so cannot claim to be winning this war.
Secondly, it is a long-standing and highly publicised policy of PIE to not engage in one-on-one duels. Therefore our pilots refusing to engage yours in duels should in no way be taken as an indication of fear.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Two points.
Firstly, your stated aim in this war is to secure the release of the so-called Mamet 500 into your grubby little hands. You are no closer to acheiving this, and so cannot claim to be winning this war.
Secondly, it is a long-standing and highly publicised policy of PIE to not engage in one-on-one duels. Therefore our pilots refusing to engage yours in duels should in no way be taken as an indication of fear.
Sorry, we keep gettin'a idea'at... just maybe.. CVA's got some decency or pride or honor or any'of'ose things.
We'll just keep waitin' till'ya got your ships in'ere lonesome and try'an hurt'ya a bit before ya build your 50+ golden blobs'o'destruction, an'en we'll just keep dispersin' whenever'ya get your cheapfleets together, only to repeat'a process until'ya guys finally snap'an give'in'a'our demands...
Thing'is... you'aven't much even tried'a DISCUSS this, see? You stubborn punts are so concerned about lookin' like you're winnin'.. I'm sorry if'n ya'll're so stupid as'a get'a idea that we'aven't realized'at we CAN'T GET'A Mamet's token anymore, and might suddenly turn tail'an run home when you finally get it through'our "thick skulls".
Negotiate, have'a talk with Jade... we can make'ya'all red in'na end, or you can surrender to'a more.. uhhh... quiet and peaceful deal, see?
This is not gon'na stop, not at'is rate.. I recommend either thinkin' like a' intelligent being, or'else pray harder. Maybe ya'need more slaves, maybe ya'need'a rule some more low-sec space... It looks like God's not real' happy with you right now, I'd work on'at. ----------
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.24 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Secondly, it is a long-standing and highly publicised policy of PIE to not engage in one-on-one duels. Therefore our pilots refusing to engage yours in duels should in no way be taken as an indication of fear.
They did at the begining of the war. Shall I report the names of the guilty parties for summary judgement?
And God says that whatever we say is right. --------------------------------------------------
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 08:56:00 -
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It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
CVA pilots please refrain from responding and let our lasers continue to do the talking...
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
CVA pilots please refrain from responding and let our lasers continue to do the talking...
See? What'd I say? Ya'avoid talkin' 'bout it and just wanna keep fightin' till'ere's nothin' left'a fight 'bout 'cept just for fightin'! ----------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
CVA pilots please refrain from responding and let our lasers continue to do the talking...
Rubs his eyes while chuckleing softly
You see, we post factual data that is coming in from our reports. And they say that they are slaughtering us at the gates of Amarr with "crippling" losses.
Look, Hardin. I wasn't expecting you to try and twist this to say that this is spin. To not accept the facts of what is happening is signs of a deluded mind.
Is it spin to admit to the fact that we were getting our rumps wacked by the proverbial riding crop of his holyniess? Of course not. We are being honest with you because we are a professional and responsible movement.
You are just not accepting the facts. But go ahead..run away to the easier fight with the UK. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tragar on 24/04/2005 09:38:31 CVA avoid talking and you guys avoid fighting...
I left the mighty PIE inc due to not being able to get a fight without seeing my opponent run.
One night in Hibi I came across a lone SF Dominix, so I engaged in my geddon and in jumps a megathron and a raven to save this badly burning Potato of d00m. To cut a long story short, the Dominix warped the Raven warped and the Mega mwd'd to the gate and jumped... If thats now cowardice I dont know what is.
All SF seem to do is sit in a safespot in amarr and wait untill the cva count in local has dropped then they go and find some lone targets.
Completely pointless.
EDIT (AND AT LEAST THE U'K SHOW EVEN NUMBERS AND FIGHT)
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
Hail! Hardin
Spin is their middle name.
Respectfully,
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Originally by: Hardin It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
To Death with Hardin!
Love and Goodness is their middle name.
Submissively,
Suddenly looks up from tampering with sound and picture works 9000
Halseth! How have you been! I formally invite Oberon Inc. to a BBQ on some farm planet somewheres -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:51:00 -
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Mmmph... It works like'is...
We fight in 'even numbers', when'ose numbers stop bein' even... we run. We got plenty'a slur stories'a throw'at each other, but let's look at the facts, yeah?
CVA says'at they're winnin', and probably believe it... We say we're winnin', and we do believ'at.
Now, there's'a few ways'at this might be...
- One of us is lyin'...
- We're'a actually both winnin' from different basis's'a analysis
- Neither of us are winnin', but we'all foolishly 'elieve'at we'are, though our present resources can actual' support us indefinitely, and we'll just be fightin' a really long time with no solution...
A'course, you guys really'on't wanna think bout'is, do you? You just wanna ignore all'ya problems into oblivion... we have an objective... AN'IF YOU'D PUNTS'D JUST LISTEN FOR'ONCE, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY SEE'AT!
*regains her composure, calming down*
We're'in'a deadlock... it's gonna take a... uh... "third party" to make a change. Go'on'an tell every'on at you're winnin', we'll just keep doin'a same... We really think we are, but.. do'ya really think you are?
How many people'ave left CVA cause'a us? How many people are thinkin' bout it? How many people are too 'fraid'a you bein' unacceptin' of it to say'at they wanna leave? ----------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tragar Edited by: Tragar on 24/04/2005 09:38:31 CVA avoid talking and you guys avoid fighting...
I left the mighty PIE inc due to not being able to get a fight without seeing my opponent run.
One night in Hibi I came across a lone SF Dominix, so I engaged in my geddon and in jumps a megathron and a raven to save this badly burning Potato of d00m. To cut a long story short, the Dominix warped the Raven warped and the Mega mwd'd to the gate and jumped... If thats now cowardice I dont know what is.
All SF seem to do is sit in a safespot in amarr and wait untill the cva count in local has dropped then they go and find some lone targets.
Completely pointless.
EDIT (AND AT LEAST THE U'K SHOW EVEN NUMBERS AND FIGHT)
Yes, you see..that is what is called gurillia warfare and fighting on our terms and not yours. It obviously worked becuase you quit becuase of it.
The UK show in even numbers and it is the reason why CVA has alway dominated them. If UK adopted our tactics you would quickly find the Golden Fleet in ruins. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 24/04/2005 11:23:37
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Hardin It is sad that due to their crippling losses in space SF have to resort to spin...
Whatever.
CVA pilots please refrain from responding and let our lasers continue to do the talking...
You are just not accepting the facts. But go ahead..run away to the easier fight with the UK.
You want me to be honest? Because I will be...
SF are not fit to even comment on the Ushra'Khan's fighting ability. We lose more ships to Ushra'Khan in a week than we have lost to your mob since the war started.
We do not run to Ushra'Khan for an easier fight - we run to Ushra'Khan because they WILL fight...
As opposed to your lot who, as someone else has pointed out, dock at the first sign of even numbers and spend their time hunting our newer pilots...
Here is some information you should consider Lysol...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
How many people'ave left CVA cause'a us? How many people are thinkin' bout it? How many people are too 'fraid'a you bein' unacceptin' of it to say'at they wanna leave?
Your objective - whichever one that was - is no nearer being achieved now than when you started this war
You were supposed to liberate the Mamet 500 - has that been done? NO
You are supposed to be tackling our 'territorialism' in Providence - has that been done? NO
(in fact I hardly remember seeing a single SF pilot in the area)
Now after you took a severe beating from us in the first couple of weeks your tactics have devolved to about 5 of your PvPers hanging around in Amarr looking for ganks on our newer members... - well bravo to you...
As for people leaving CVA people leave and join all the time. Infact the last weeks have seen a massive leap in people applying to JOIN
One person - and one person only - has left because you hunted him. One person - and one person only - left because he was frustrated by the fact that your people never stay to fight.
This PR attack is so lame it is laughably funny
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Aphoxema G
How many people'ave left CVA cause'a us? How many people are thinkin' bout it? How many people are too 'fraid'a you bein' unacceptin' of it to say'at they wanna leave?
Your objective - whichever one that was - is no nearer being achieved now than when you started this war
You were supposed to liberate the Mamet 500 - has that been done? NO
You are supposed to be tackling our 'territorialism' in Providence - has that been done? NO
(in fact I hardly remember seeing a single SF pilot in the area)
Now after you took a severe beating from us in the first couple of weeks your tactics have devolved to about 5 of your PvPers hanging around in Amarr looking for ganks on our newer members... - well bravo to you...
As for people leaving CVA people leave and join all the time. Infact the last weeks have seen a massive leap in people applying to JOIN
One person - and one person only - has left because you hunted him. One person - and one person only - left because he was frustrated by the fact that your people never stay to fight.
This PR attack is so lame it is laughably funny
... Damnit, Now I see why'ey put you in charge...
Again, though, you still aren't listenin' to'us...
ÀIt's not about'a slaves, necassarily. ÀWe'on't need'a be IN Providence'a try'an make'a difference'ere. ÀYou win'on'na part 'bout people leavin'... but, You guys wouldn't complain so much if'n it wasn't a problem. ----------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:27:00 -
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Flickers on folding his hands
Hardin,
Are you alright? You seem to be upset? Angered? I say this due to the material you displayed. Which I do admit can be very damaging at first glance.
Now I am disappointed you had to go the route of displaying a kill list in an attempt to boast your superiority. Just as every other pirate faction does.
Calmly smiles
As you can see on your kill stats you posted that my associate retailiated with our own bounties for the day. You people hardly walked away with no looses, in fact ISK wise. Pauses for a moment That is how you savage pirates measure your success or failure yes? Continues Seems to be greater than that of ours.
Sits back and looks on to Hardin
You see, our measure of success is not baised off those kills. We are a very patient people, and persistant. Your attempt to smear Star Fraction with ship looses is mearly nothing more than a bad ploy to gain favor.
What troubles me more Hardin, is you didnt post your losses for the day either. Who is spinning who now.
Smiles -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Meehan on 24/04/2005 10:56:52
Cute. The teethless pup that is SF is barking so loud I can hear it here in Amarr all the way from your deepspace hiding points in Yulai and Nonni.
Which reminds me, are Glamour Bunnies still part of your excuse for a knitting circle? How about the Throne Worlds Church of Sin and Absolution? For if I'm not mistaken they were when you entered this war of sinister aggression, correct? Another question for you; have CVA operations in Providence been stepped up or down lately? Have the "Mamet 500" in CVA possession decreased in number? Have CVA membership risen since you initiated this war? And does Miss Aphoxema just pretend to have the memory of a goldfish or is it really so? Since she's evidently already forgotten that you are the agressors of this war. Agressors usually have to accomplish some single feat before they can claim victory. Else I could just declare victory over the Sarpati family since they've not yet managed to kill me where I am sitting in the middle of the Imperial Navy a thousand solarsystems away from them.
Pardon me, Admiral Hardin.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:59:00 -
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Ugh. Does Jade see your trite postings here?
"We ran till you gave up. WE WIN!"
Congrats to CVA on apparently concluding this campaign.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:03:00 -
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/me grabs head in despair...
*sigh*
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 24/04/2005 11:12:10 Edited by: theRaptor on 24/04/2005 11:07:04
Originally by: Meehan Which reminds me, are Glamour Bunnies still part of your excuse for a knitting circle?
No, because we had some differences of opinion regarding pre-emptive wars. And they left before the war had hardly started.
Originally by: Meehan How about the Throne Worlds Church of Sin and Absolution?
Said corp was recently removed due to falling below the requisite number of pilots to maintain its position in our alliance.
You now have nearly twice our numbers, yet you can't defend your Empire like you said you would. We never claimed we would destroy you all or get the Mamet 500 back through force of arms. We said that you would face consequences if you didn't hand them over. And while ever they remain in your position we are likely to apply pressure to you.
So go ahead and claim to be protecting the Empire. We know you can't even protect your own pilots. --------------------------------------------------
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol Flickers on folding his hands
Hardin,
Are you alright? You seem to be upset? Angered?
Smiles
Angered... Yes angered.
Not because of Star Fraction successes - they are few and far between.
What I am angered by is the allegation that we 'run' to 'easier' fights.
Firstly the CVA does not run. We move with DIGNITY
Secondly, if we left you it was to go and persue someone we consider a greater threat to Amarr than your motley band.
Despite my dislike of Ushra'Khan they are substantially more effective than Star Fraction and to claim that we are 'running' to fight them is not just an insult to us, it is an insult to their warriors also...
Oh well believe in your 'victory' if you wish.
Your words count for little in space and we have seen precious little to worry us there.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:17:00 -
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Pulgor sits back in the chair of his Siegal class transport.
My my, do you ever get tired of running around in circles?
You're both fighting different battles and that's what makes this confict so very interesting to study.
On one hand, the CVA is playing this one strictly by the numbers. A good plan for any professional operation.
On the other hand we have SF, battling something far more abstract, perserverence. This is a battle that I can only think of three analogies for: The Minmatar, the Ni-Kunni, and the Eular.
The Minmatar managed to strike a minor victory by perservearing through the hard times, and eventually they managed their rebellion. Us Ammatar's can be said to have won as well, probably moreso then the Minmat's. Ammatar is a protectorate rather then a province.
The Ni-Kunni lost their battle of perserverence. They became assimilated by ideals of the opposing force. Washing away any instance of their own culture and history. Finding Ni-Kunni history is like trying to find a bar of gold.
The Eular are in the process of losing, they do not have the perserverence to outlast that of their holders.
The question is if SF has the perserverence to outlast an alliance made up of people who have experiance in this sole area. Ship losses mean nothing in their vision of this battle. SF is playing against the best of the best and it should be interesting to see if their perserverence can prevail. Are they as strong as the Minmatar's or Ammatar's? Only time will tell I suppose, however it is an interesting conflict to observe for this reason.
One thing to keep in mind though: It is easy to win a battle on your own terms, but to win on someone elses is quite another. Right now both sides are winning. Whose ideals will win out in the end is the real battle here. -----------------------------------
Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
So go ahead and claim to be protecting the Empire. We know you can't even protect your own pilots.
Errm... we do a damn sight better job at it than Star Fraction do based on recent evidence
You also fail to take into account that we also are fighting a three front war - pretty damn successfuly I might add.
As soon as KIA declared on you you all hibernated. As it stands we rarely see more than ten SF pilots on a regular basis. Where are the others? Hiding I presume!
Considering how often we kill the military 'cream' of Star Fraction I would hate to see what your losses would be if we actually had the time and resources to actually hunt you all down...
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 24/04/2005 11:34:47 Ugly post....ingore this one. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin As soon as KIA declared on you you all hibernated. As it stands we rarely see more than ten SF pilots on a regular basis. Where are the others? Hiding I presume!
Considering how often we kill the military 'cream' of Star Fraction I would hate to see what your losses would be if we actually had the time and resources to actually hunt you all down...
HEY! I take'at personal... I'm not hidin', I'm just not always.. like.. ready'a...
Okay, okay, Fine. I hide... a bit... alot...
ALRIGHT! I only fight'en I'm like.. really excited and think'at I could get away real easy with losin' a few ships... or just one. Like... only one...
I'M NOT'A COWARD! QUIT MAKIN' FUN'A ME!!! ----------
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:35:00 -
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If we are so stagnated why do you keep losing your ships to us Caldari?
You initiated this war to
A) Free the Mamet 500 B) End 'our' territorialism in Providence C) Steal my personal supply of Gallente dancing wenches
So far you have achieved absolutely zilch. You have killed some of our ships. We have killed LOTS of your ships.
What have you achieved. Nothing. Actually that is wrong. You have actually sharpened up some of our lax newer members who were not as careful as they should have been... Thanks for that
We are Amarrian. We have patience and tenacity Caldari. We think long term. Let's see if you have patience too...
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:49:00 -
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'K, it's out'ta'the bag...
We'on't really wan'na get anythin' -real- done, we just wanna'ave some'on'a play with...
Because, really, We like sacrificin' lives for our sick, li'l games... it makes it real' fun for'us.... ----------
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 24/04/2005 11:51:01
Originally by: Hardin If we are so stagnated why do you keep losing your ships to us Caldari?
You initiated this war to
A) Free the Mamet 500 B) End 'our' territorialism in Providence C) Steal my personal supply of Gallente dancing wenches
So far you have achieved absolutely zilch. You have killed some of our ships. We have killed LOTS of your ships.
What have you achieved. Nothing. Actually that is wrong. You have actually sharpened up some of our lax newer members who were not as careful as they should have been... Thanks for that
We are Amarrian. We have patience and tenacity Caldari. We think long term. Let's see if you have patience too...
Sighs
Again...we are being slaughtered at the gates of Amarr Twirls his finger in the air
Smiles
Is sad that you continue to delude yourself from the facts of what is happening to you. But tit for tat. At least I can take the comfort that we are not trying to spin this up.
Have we lost ships, of course. But those are material assests and nothing more. Not of concequence. Have we lost anything else. Pouts his lower lip and shakes his head Im afraid not.
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