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Posted - 2012.11.21 10:19:00 -
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Hello everyone,
Lately there have been a lot of posts on the forum pertaining to the proposed splitting of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills into racial variants as discussed in this dev blog from CCP Ytterbium.
In an effort to clear up some confusion about this and keep numerous duplicate threads from being posted about it, here is some generic information about it:
- If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. You will be automatically given the new racial BC and Destroyer skills at your current BC/Destroyer skill level if you also have the corresponding racial Cruiser/Frigate skill to 3.
- There is no current release date for this change. The change will not be made until next year. It is not a part of the Retribution patch occurring on December 4th. Even so, we recommend you begin skill training for the skills now if you want to 100% ensure that you will get all of the skills when this change goes live.
- Just to reiterate, this change is not a part of the Retribution patch on December 4th. Just making sure everyone heard that.
- If you wish to discuss this proposed change, please do so on the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. You can find that forum here.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 13:16:00 -
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I've fixed the title of the thread and clarified that you need racial frig to 4, not 3.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:20:00 -
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Actually, Racial Frig to IV is a prerequisite for getting Racial Cruiser, so it is (more or less) irrelevant to the changes. I've reverted that change.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:19:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.
No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't. Devs have already clarified this.
He is correct, though. If, at the time of the change, you have ONLY Amarr Cruiser III and Battlecruiser V, you will get Amarr Battlecruiser V. You will not get any of the other racial BC skills unless you also have the racial Cruiser skills to III as well.
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:58:00 -
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Hello boyz,
We currently working hard to get that skill plan cleared up and final so we can tell you in advance what's going to happen.
This change is mainly done for:
- Consistency: we would like all ship training to be consistent and logical with each other, which isn't the case at the moment. We have racial tech1 spaceship command skills (Amarr Cruiser, Amarr Frigate, Amarr Battleship), plus some generic skills (Destroyers, Battlecruisers) which mess things up. Thus training for Amarr Command Ships require a weird mix of Amarr Cruiser plus Battlecruisers 5 instead of simply going for Amarr Battlecruiser 5.
- Easier to specialize: the point of splitting the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills in four is to make it faster for new players to specialize in tech2 ships. New players are often recommended to specialize to compete with veterans and we would like to promote this. The side-effect is that it will take more time to generalize in more than one race, but we consider it to be acceptable and something more suited for longer-term players with more skill points to work with.
- Cut nested requirements: there are some tech2 ship skills that require others to be achieved. This is the case for Heavy Assault Ships for instance, which require Assault Ships to be flown. Ideally, we would prefer if pilots that specialize in a certain ship class don't have to train another class they don't care about. Example: if I am a pilot interested in supporting my fleet with Warfare Links, why do I either have to train for Logistics or Heavy Assault Ships to either unlock Field or Fleet Command Ships? The difficulty however is to replace those skills with others that make sense for the tweaked ships themselves (we don't want them to be too easy to train however).
- Clear ship and module specialization confusion: in some cases, you are not only required to train a set of skills for the tech2 ship you wish to unlock, but also have to train another set of highly specialized skills for the module that goes into the ship itself. There is nothing anywhere telling you about that and that is a double training time sink (ex: Interdictors and the interdiction sphere launcher). Which is why we would like to couple this point with the one above and rework some of the tech2 ship specialization skills to make more sense in general.
No matter what, please remember that you will still be able to fly unlocked ships even after the change. More info to be delivered as soon as possible through a Dev Blog.
Hope that helps a bit. |
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