It actually doesn't ,it just pretty much says "EVE is interconnected" and we all need people who are not exactly like us. We (well, most of us) know that already lol.

What that post ends up doing is making a whole bunch of assumptions about...other people assumptions, and in doing so kind defeats it's own purpose.

What source would that be, and why would that affect the point?

By the looks of it, GÇ£your reasoning for the removal of the other sucks. Don't perpetuate the nonsense, but rather provide a proper argument for good change instead.GÇ¥

Cant remember, who said it:

Mittani would be a pseudo-educated douchebag. [edit: it is malcanis] ok, so Mittani not even would say this. So we can dismiss the attribut "pseudo-educated". Still the text is just trival generalisation. It costs the writer nothing. Admitting - say - HBC/CFC leadership runs a campagne vs AAA to demonize them and to manipulate their own little grunts like - say - Goebbels, that would cost something.

+1 Alex, Mittani, Gianturco


Lin would say /bow fot this interesting piece of thought and humility.

Good read, except for the section "(4) Remember that other people are rational."

I've made way to much wealth off the fact that most people are not rational. Being rational is something you have to train your mind for, and most people simply don't. People buy overpriced goods or more than they need, fall for very simplistic scams, and in general react more with their gut (pride, jealousy, hate and love).

Economists wish people were rational, because if they followed simple logic and utilitarianism their calculations on the movement of markets would actually have some predictive value. But people aren't robots, and assuming they are will get you in trouble more often then not.

Dude! You're not supposed to blow the lid off the propaganda machine, gaw! Oh well, they'll forget pretty quick. :)

I disagree with point 4

People are not rational by default. They have to be taught about utility and how to maximize it, to plan and strategize. There are plenty of people who have learned these things, and if you hang around them all the time, you may think that everyone is like that. When those people screw up, it is just a miscalculation or some bad input.

But many people (I would argue, most) never really learned to plan their actions in such ways.

If you're a new player reading themittani.com (or evenews24) for the first time because you're interested in what goes on in eve, ******* forget it. You're better off reading hardcore fetish inspired pornography, or hanging out on 4chan. At least trash like this has some modicum of entertainment value, whereas the eve "news sites" have become some kind of fetid sinkhole for all the worst kinds of recycled academic ************ imaginable.

I think he's referring to the status of the two sites as being propaganda dispensaries, rather than practically useful for the people who aren't controlling the message.

The Mittani?

I thought it was The Ego.

Care to put the article here so we are not forced to visit that trash website?

Oh please OP, you can't compare EA's DICE with CCP, CCP actually you know...cares about their audience about 10 times more.
EA DICE "promised" to deliver a game that's better than BF2/2142 w/mods but what we got was a generic "cod-ified" fps with a low skill ceiling.
-3d spotting
-very small maps for run n gun(or rather spray and pray)
-overpowered lockon weapons that lets solo engineers win vs tanks 1v1( i was in top 3% for tanks)
-no commander
-small squads
-no VOIP(seriously...)
-suppression that makes your bullets go everywhere BUT the target
-metro map(oh god the horrible corridor) that was "the most played"
- full kit/vehicle/everything unlocks with $$$$

So as you can see....CCP are so much better than DICE and you are just overreacting. It's not as if the upcoming expansion lets you buy an additional highslot with $ for a DD or something.

The difference is that BF3 was targeted at the "new*coughcodcough" audience and old players were lied to with a straight face. It's not like CCP promised to make a game as you imagined it to be and then released a poor version of it.

Eve isn't getting dumbed down as much as BF3, it's just getting more appealing to new players by looking less confusing. Core mechanics are still the same as when I started in 2007(well, mostly :P).


What upcoming changes are you actually worried about ?
Tyvm for providing the link, Im glad that mordor is still alive and well.

Highsec is all about PvP GÇö if it weren't, it simply wouldn't be allowed. CCP has gone to extreme length to allow for combat in highsec

Yeah, i have honestly no idea how it happened unless i just took so long to write all this that by the time i submitted the post the thread got moved and put me in another one XD.

You failed to explicitly accuse Mittens and Goonswarm of literally killing and eating babies in real life, therefore you're A STOOGE AND PUPPET

It was a good read, im surprised :P.

Good read, Malcanis. Thanks for sharing it.

Mara Rinn is of the school of "literally everything about TM.com serves no purpose other than to advance the cause of the CFC with no exception". Trouble is, your article didn't strongly lean towards any one side of any imagined conflict. This leaves her at a loss of words to fit your article into that narrative, so she's asking you to give her one instead (she asked me what "agenda" the article was pushing on Twitter as well).

I never said it made sense ;)

That's how it goes, though. It was published on a site named after Mittens, therefore it must be purely to advance the CFC or its narrative in some way or another. Any attempt to explain otherwise just makes you "one of them".

I refuse to visit a website named after a guy who encouraged the player base to harass a guy into killing himself in real life. Forgive me if I have morals. For those who are unaware, here is what I am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMAw&playnext=1&list=PL8D0C03D958222921&feature=results_video

Change the name of the website to something else, preferably unbias and I will visit it. Of course I am sure most of you will laugh at me not visiting, but there are tons of people who do not venture to a website named after a cyber bully. Deal with it.

Pet peeve time.

Why should they rename the site to GÇ£unbiasGÇ¥. It doesn't make much sense and isn't even a proper verb.

The throuble with any society, be it real or virtual, is that members all too easily succumb to existentialist bad faith . An interesting read Malcanis, but I very much doubt it will change any of the entrenched viewpoints held within the game.

That involves an EVE-O and GD thing that has been in the works from the beginning. It's less a matter of what works in the end, the method remains the same. Derail to fail. Troll it, flame it, inject a more popular side topic. It's a derailing tactic and it sends threads off to the bottom.

The original link has a point to make. Motive. That's the tldr version. What motivates us to do anything in EVE?

Well written article. Could not have written better words on the topic myself.


So, once we have dispelled the Big Lie, where do we go from here?

I have cleaned the off-topic posts in this thread. Please keep discussion related to the article that was posted.

Run for CSM please, OP, thank you.

The big lie is coined by ****** in mein kampf which he quoted at that trial to assert that the jew lie and...


Seriously, when are goons going to stop with their **** Germany love affair? Like spitting in the face of all WW2 vets that saved your country to afford you middle class suburban life to play EVE.

Which reminds me, mein kampf was propaganda to create their fascism, hey wait a minute, that is what goons and their leader mittens is afterall

You'd think but all I ever heard was jew this n word that and hatred against russians on goons mumble. Your propaganda is always based on WW2 Germany stuff not to mention your article bringing up the "big lie" which was used against jews by ***** is just one of many things you take from them.

There are so many quotes and good examples of what you wanted to say without quoting goering, but you guys pick that, which in reality does not fit with your argument when you know that the assertion of the big lie was a big lie by ******

Anyway, go back to your space game journalism, I await more drivel soon.

The article doesn't even describe the Big Lie, it describes the Fundamental Attribution Error and the Ultimate Attribution Error.