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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3130
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:15:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Hey CSM / CCP (really just the same thing), go for it. Implement everything that this crew asked for, precisely as they asked for it, as soon as you can. Nerf the crap out of high sec. Obliterate high sec.
I would really enjoy watching the fallout. I look forward to reading in the papers about CCP layoffs as the sub rate plummets. I live in highsec, and even I am in favor of nerfing highsec PvE (and simultaneously buffing low/null) in order to bring risk/reward to something resembling sanity. That should tell you something! 
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Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.22 20:55:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I live in highsec, and even I am in favor of nerfing highsec PvE (and simultaneously buffing low/null) in order to bring risk/reward to something resembling sanity. That should tell you something! 
Spoken by a guy who bumps miners while pleading for their ISK and proclaiming himself king of whatever HS system he is bumping ships in.
Oh... and while trying to control the miner's urine. 
"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2012.11.22 21:01:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Oh... and while trying to control the miner's urine.  It is a common misconception that the New Order attempts to control when a miner can or cannot go to the bathroom. This is not remotely true. At any time, a miner (or any other player) may dock up and go to the toilet for as long as he or she wishes. The New Order does not have any issue with this.
Where the New Order is actually showing (unsurprising) benevolence, however, is in allowing some miners to go AFK to the toilet without docking up or even stopping their mining lasers! This is not 'control', this is an indulgence that few miners deserve.
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Miss Silv
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.22 23:04:00 -
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Quote:When viewed this way, one can broadly segment the community into four groups, each of which is attracted by different mixes of new features/content (Shiny) and improvement of existing features/content (Iteration). Potentials -- people who have never or only briefly subscribed. (90% Shiny, 10% Iteration) Newbies -- players with less than a year in the game. (70% Shiny, 30% Iteration) Veterans -- players with more than a year in the game. (10% Shiny, 90% Iteration) Bittervets -- unsubscribed veterans. (50% Shiny, 50% Iteration)
How do you come up with these figures?
Given the already existing depth and complexity of the game I'd say it'd be at least a year before it feels stagnant because of lack of content, so why would potentials and newbies care much for brand new content?
The fundamental issue is the gameplay itself, which (as a newbie) I've found enjoyable up until recently, but the new AI changes has taken that away and thus I can't see myself continuing - and it has nothing to do with the content, hell, I barely even got started. Couldn't care less about income either, but watching bars and clicking away every 5 seconds is why I tend to shy away from mmos - Eve gave a chance to not resort to that, but alas. |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
228
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Posted - 2012.11.22 23:38:00 -
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Useless meta-game to distract players from fact there wasn't actual content expansions since 2010 (except for PI mini-game, CQ mini-game, 10 ships during 3 years, FW mini-game) and none on the horizon except for Dust mini-game. |

YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
435
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Posted - 2012.11.23 00:54:00 -
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Not much in that CSM document that I even remotely agree with
Making Null Sec more lucrative? It already has Moon mining monopolies, deadspaces, the best PI, and the higest bounties. What is the CSM talking about?
Making POSs more Modular? I think the CSM needs to look up the word modular. "Modular" is what the current POS system is already. It needs to be more aesthetic and user friendly.
Making Mining more cooperative? The best ores in null sec and WH absolutely demand cooperative/social gameplay in order to function succesfully (protection, hauling, etc)
Not sure what the CSM is representing besides themselves here. |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I live in highsec, and even I am in favor of nerfing highsec PvE (and simultaneously buffing low/null) in order to bring risk/reward to something resembling sanity. That should tell you something! 
It tells me those ideas are batshit crazy.
How am I doing? |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:55:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Not sure what the CSM is representing besides themselves here.
Maybe, but I doubt it's malicious. I'm sure they honestly think these are the best ideas for the game as they know it.
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
413
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Posted - 2012.11.23 02:18:00 -
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You should have edited out the BS; that wouldn't have left much, but at least I'd be more interested in reading it. 
...The content of your strategy isn't bad, and so far as I've read to this point, it's a good place to start. Would have preferred if you'd just kept it concise and detailed though, without all the extraneous, unrelated, and completely unfounded crap stuffed in. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
894
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:22:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Seleene wrote:- The primary coauthors of this document were Alekseyev Karrde, Hans Jagerblitzen, Trebor Daehdoow, and Two Step. It was unanimously endorsed by all active members of the CSM.
Just out of interest, which members of CSM 7 would you define as inactive? Or is this knowledge publicly available somewhere? I must admit I too am wondering what CSM members put their name on this ill thought dreg?
Ill thought you say, how so? The greater supply of minerals of hi-sec type to Null the less they are then worth to those mining in Hi-sec.
Also I did not even hear mention of fixing the ridiculously broken corporate management system we have now.
Also if you want higher player retention why don't you use your efforts on the player numbers as to where they are 60% Hi-Sec, 20% Null, 15% lo-sec and 5% WH's. Yes I know that people say, "But or Null sec mains have alts in Hi-sec." But unless someone can prove that it is more than a few percent it really is not relevant.
We hear from Null sec players that Hi-sec has had 2 expansions dedicated to it but in reality what did it really get, can anyone name these wonderful new additions for Hi-sec?
So to boil it down stop acting like a Null Sec lobby group and More like representatives of ALL players. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So to boil it down stop acting like a Null Sec lobby group and More like representatives of ALL players.
Why not ask Kelduum or Issler (the 2 highsec representatives) why they signed off on it going out as it did without any highsec content? Issler at the very least has been active - aren't you curious to find out why your highsec candidates have apparently failed highsec? Wouldn't you rather be proactive about this rather than just going the easy "ITS ALL A NULL CONSPIRACY" route which accomplishes nothing? |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
894
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:59:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:So to boil it down stop acting like a Null Sec lobby group and More like representatives of ALL players. Why not ask Kelduum or Issler (the 2 highsec representatives) why they signed off on it going out as it did without any highsec content? Issler at the very least has been active - aren't you curious to find out why your highsec candidates have apparently failed highsec? Wouldn't you rather be proactive about this rather than just going the easy "ITS ALL A NULL CONSPIRACY" route which accomplishes nothing? Did they sign off on it all that was said was that the current ACTIVE CSM members did, besides the authors who knows what that means.
As I have said to you before I personally would like to see Null fixed but not at the expense of Hi-sec and after the POS's and the corporate management system was fixed. Which is exactly what giving Hi-sec minerals to Null will do.
Nor am I a CSM member, it is my interests I represent, not the player bases as a whole, just as it is in your best interests to represent your own, which you do frequently. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Did they sign off on it all that was said was that the current ACTIVE CSM members did, besides the authors who knows what that means.
As I have said to you before I personally would like to see Null fixed but not at the expense of Hi-sec and after the POS's and the corporate management system was fixed. Which is exactly what giving Hi-sec minerals to Null will do.
Nor am I a CSM member, it is my interests I represent, not the player bases as a whole, just as it is in your best interests to represent your own, which you do frequently.
Well, even if they aren't active, it'd probably be a good idea to find out one way or the other, wouldn't it? Get their answer and draw your own conclusions, I guess. Issler in particular is pretty active on the forums at least, shouldn't be a chore to get a hold of her and ask her what the deal is.
I'm not even going to bother talking specifics of the proposal with you (mostly b/c we did already in the Jita Park forums), just offering suggestions for you (or anyone else) that isn't satisfied with what you see. This CSM isn't dominated by nullsec at all, quite the contrary actually; the only co-authors you could call nullsec residents are Alekseyev and Trebor (at least I think, anyway, I CBA to find out where merc corps live), and neither of them are sov null participants*. They clearly thought that sov null issues are pretty important to fix - hell, you could probably even ask them why they had a hand in prioritizing issues that didn't necessarily directly pertain to their style of gameplay. Either way, something has to be better than grumbling about nullsec dominance that just isn't there.
* fun fact: Only 3 current CSM members are in alliances that actually hold sov - Greene Lee (AAA), Dovinian (TEST) and Darius III (Brick Squad). Only one of those are top 3. Nullsec lobbying group, indeed! |

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
93
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:40:00 -
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"Woooo! Shinies!"
Linking system sov to activity, and allowing the systems to support that activity for more than single-digit players at the same time is probably the most significant change that 0.0 needs.
Pretty much none of the other changes are going to have a widespread effect as long as most of 0.0 space sits unused.
Oh, and what happened to those formal alliance agreement mechanics that Dominion was supposed to bring? Game mechanic supported renting/standing/etc.? |

Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
705
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:43:00 -
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The 'highsec problem' isnt caused by low or high being too lucritive, or not enough.
The problem is players are trained from the moment they join the game that NPC's are there to save them. They view 0.0/low as 'where the assholes are' and they completely avoid it, because, they say to themselves, "i'm not an *******, im a nice person". CONCORD is there to save them all, and when it fails, its because CCP hasnt fixed them yet.
Making 0.0 or highsec richer or poorer wont change any of this. The problem needs to be approached at a social/cultural level. If we could train highsec bears that they need player combat support to protect their mining ships, they would be exposed to this reality early on, and not simply wonder why CONCORD didnt show up in time.
I'm not entirely sure how to accomplish this in a way that would be 'best for everyone', but i have a few suggestions. 1) Significantly increase concord's response time, making them get there much much later. Like 2 or 3 minutes later. 2) Add CONCORD ships that spawn immediatly that do nothing but lock down the situation, perhaps pointing any criminal ships in the area 3) Buff exhumers with a massive tank, on par with battleships perhaps.
What this would do is eliminate 'suicide ganking' with catalysts yes, however it would increase the oppertunity for 'real' pirating with 'real' ships. It would also give the bears a chance to defend themselves via remote repairs, falcons, etc.
Again, i havent exactly thought this suggestion out much, but this is the angle in which this problem needs to be approached. Not simply buffing CONCORD some more and making pirates killable by anyone any time.
OR
1) REMOVE CONCORD. 2) Allow all players to shoot anyone with bad security 3) NPC police to spawn to support after x ammount of time if criminals have not left the area.
This would give pirates the ability to commit crimes without CONCORD to punish them, but it would also make room for white knight players to engage them. At first, this will probably be rough for the bears i admit, however once the white knights organize themselves, i think we would see a very dynamic justice system, carried out by the players alone. NPC's could always be thrown in if the system detects an imbalance, but not CONCORD NPC's. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
94
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:56:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:... Maybe 0.0 alliances should start actually doing something about that perception then? 0.0 holds the key to "fixing" hi-sec but they wont bother, it's much easier to claim that the others need to have their mechanics changed instead, because ::effort::
Hi-sec wont change, it's a needed and working game mechanic and player enforced "Anti-PK" systems don't work. It didn't save Felluca from Trammel, it didn't save Shadowbane from disintegrating; and no game dsigner worth their salt should ever rely on it to save anything in an online game.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
894
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:03:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: * fun fact: Only 3 current CSM members are in alliances that actually hold sov - Greene Lee (AAA), Dovinian (TEST) and Darius III (Brick Squad). Only one of those members are top 7. Nullsec lobbying group, indeed!
Yes because what is the CSMs biggest problem after all the years of NUll sec dominance and control?
Credibility, so what do they produce, yet another document that can be added to all the rest made by the last few CSMs about Null sec. Honestly they should be bundled up and sold as fuel for fireplaces.
Yes Null sec needs fixing badly but without a proper thought out road map, that does not just hurt Hi-sec to improve Null, all we will get is another set of useless resource wasting fixes that got Null into the crap hole it is in today.
A lot of people talk of Wis being a waste of resources that should be spent on FiS, How is fixing Null especially sov Null (Now primarily owned by one alliance) not a waste of resources that should be spent on making Hi-sec better. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1985
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:07:00 -
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People need to start seeing this game as a whole thing instead of putting on tunnel vision glasses and only giving a **** about one piece of the pie. This game, more than others, has a ripple effect. You toss a stone in one part and the other parts of the game are affected.
In all honesty every part of this game should get enough attention where everyone is at least a bit interested in every aspect, even if they decide to focus on one part at the time. You never know when you will become bored of wading in one part of the pool and want to go swim to another part of it. Won't be much fun if the part you swim to has a piece of ***** posing as a Baby Ruth candy bar in it.
I hope one of you out there gets my reverse reference... 
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes because what is the CSMs biggest problem after all the years of NUll sec dominance and control?
CSM 6 is the only CSM you can objectively say was dominated by nullsec, and that was largely backlash to CSM 5's highsec-heavy makeup actually being listened to by CCP. Then again, CSM 1-4 were the definition of useless so it's not terribly relevant.
Either way, you keep ignoring my point (Frying Doom ignoring a point to go off about whatever? You don't say!). You feel that this document doesn't adequately reflect the direction the game needs to go, that it's too nullsec heavy. Yet, it was authored by many people who have no stake in nullsec at all, so why won't you try talking to them about why they believe this? Hell, you pretty publicly stumped for Issler during the election, you'd think you'd at least care about her opinion. What gives? Are you afraid to PM them or something?
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
894
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:20:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yes because what is the CSMs biggest problem after all the years of NUll sec dominance and control? CSM 6 is the only CSM you can objectively say was dominated by nullsec, and that was largely backlash to CSM 5's highsec-heavy makeup actually being listened to by CCP. Then again, CSM 1-4 were the definition of useless so it's not terribly relevant. Either way, you keep ignoring my point (Frying Doom ignoring a point to go off about whatever? You don't say!). You feel that this document doesn't adequately reflect the direction the game needs to go, that it's too nullsec heavy. Yet, it was authored by many people who have no stake in nullsec at all, so why won't you try talking to them about why they believe this? Hell, you pretty publicly stumped for Issler during the election, you'd think you'd at least care about her opinion. What gives? Are you afraid to PM them or something? So as the Document is co-authored by Alekseyev Karrde, Hans Jagerblitzen, Trebor Daehdoow, and Two Step and it was unanimously endorsed by all active members of the CSM.
I know where Two step is from where are the others from?
As to Pming the members would it not have been easier if they had said these members agreed with this rather than the vague active statement? or if you believe so strongly that the Hi-sec candidates agreed to this why don't you go get quotes off them. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:24:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I know where Two step is from where are the others from?
As to Pming the members would it not have been easier if they had said these members agreed with this rather than the vague active statement? or if you believe so strongly that the Hi-sec candidates agreed to this why don't you go get quotes off them.
Alekseyev and Trebor are in merc corps (Noir and DNS). They probably operate in null (couldn't tell you for sure, though being mercs I'd imagine part of that answer is "where the money is"), but neither hold sov. Hans is a FW guy (Minmatar). Kind of embarassing that I have to tell you that when you've already decided that CSM 7 is dominated by null.
And you're right, it would be way better if the CSM members would explain themselves more often. They don't though, and you do actually have to prod them to get answers. Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation if you actually want answers. Of course, if you just want to keep pissing and moaning about invisible biases, go right ahead, and you'll be ignored by anyone with critical thinking skills as usual. Up to you, really :) |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
894
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:30:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I know where Two step is from where are the others from?
As to Pming the members would it not have been easier if they had said these members agreed with this rather than the vague active statement? or if you believe so strongly that the Hi-sec candidates agreed to this why don't you go get quotes off them. Alekseyev and Trebor are in merc corps (Noir and DNS). They probably operate in null (couldn't tell you for sure, though being mercs I'd imagine part of that answer is "where the money is"), but neither hold sov. Hans is a FW guy (Minmatar). Kind of embarassing that I have to tell you that when you've already decided that CSM 7 is dominated by null. And you're right, it would be way better if the CSM members would explain themselves more often. They don't though, and you do actually have to prod them to get answers. Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation if you actually want answers. Of course, if you just want to keep pissing and moaning about invisible biases, go right ahead, and you'll be ignored by anyone with critical thinking skills as usual. Up to you, really :) How is a bias invisible is they produce a document that is 2/3 fix Null? As I said yes Null needs fixing but properly and with only 20% of the population their and they are talking 2 full development cycles, it seems to quote Hans "Do you think its responsible for CCP to spend an entire year working on something that affects a small portion of the population, when they could be fixing an area of space that affects multiple times that many players and subcriptions and potential subscriptions?"
Irresponsible and more likely to cause complaints and unsubs in the areas containing the majority of players. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
614

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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:35:00 -
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Removed a non-constructive post. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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March rabbit
Aliastra
266
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:50:00 -
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Harbingour wrote:I think one point he made is very necessary right now: how can we boost NULL without nerfing every1 else off  it's quite simple. And CCP should do NOTHING about it 
Solution: players in 0.0 stop killing anyone and take territory of another alliances.  Result: - Risk = 0, Reward is unchanged (even growing). - Industry fixed - no need to manufacture lots of ships - SOV fixed - no need to grind structures - Risk/Reward for 0.0 == 0, so 0.0 become LOT MORE interesting and rewarding than any other areas of Eve Universe.
Simple? - check Implementable? - not sure, because of players (you know, amateur, smart people as anyone knows)
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
522
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:55:00 -
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All I'm getting from this thread is that High Sec needs someone who will be active and representing them in the next CSM.
James 315 for CSM. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1986
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:00:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:All I'm getting from this thread is that High Sec needs someone who will be active and representing them in the next CSM.
James 315 for CSM. No.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
897
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:17:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:All I'm getting from this thread is that High Sec needs someone who will be active and representing them in the next CSM.
James 315 for CSM. Ummm no
What we actually need are people that primarily concern them selves with pushing for fixes in things that effect everyone.
For example fixing
- Corporation Management
- Pos's
- Continue to help and support all ship rebalancing
- Inflation
- Improvements to the skill trees
- Weapon balancing
- Mining ships and barge improvements/alterations
- Trade and market improvements
- Ui improvements
- New specialist ships
And the list goes on.
Then give ideas on the ways CCP can help gain new players as well as player retention. Using the governing stats of player area occupation as a guide.
The CSM is a representative body of the whole of EvE, so their efforts really should come down to where the numbers of people play are and therefore if 20% of the population live in an area, it is reasonable to spend 20% of the remaining resources left (after using the majority on things that effect everyone) on the 20% of the population, even if 20% is just the slow building of a real roadmap of what to do. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5228
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:21:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:All I'm getting from this thread is that High Sec needs someone who will be active and representing them in the next CSM.
James 315 for CSM.
Why? To ensure that 0.0 gets abandoned for another 3 years? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
236
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:39:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Removed a non-constructive post.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2213902#post2213902
Or GTFO is something CCP consider to be the solution to their trouble.
If so, have blue tags use the forums by adding more endorsements to GTFO R.I.P. Vile Rat |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10723
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:43:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Well, I tend to just talk about whatever is a problem in the game, regardless of what sector of ~space~ it's in.  Also, this picture is relavent. The low sec and null sec pictures need swapping tbh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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