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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:09:00 -
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Running thru the latest galnet news whilst he awaited his latest ship to be re-fitted, he came across something which brought his full attention
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Last night a riot is rumoured to have occurred in a slave holding facility somewhere within the Taru system. It's believed the facility where the alleged riot occured is owned by Korramasha Mawhi, a small time slave trader with no record of illegal activities. Solid evidence has been hard to come by, but four ships in Korramasha's possession, including two Zealots and two Sacrileges were seen being piloted by four Matari personel heading towards Minmatar space.
These ships were intercepted and destroyed by two Amarr pilots believed to be employed by Mawhi. When asked why Concord didn't intervene, the Amarr Navy said that it was a purely civil matter which put it under the Navys duristiction, and not Concords. They declined to comment on any further details of the incident.
He raised the comm channel to some scouts FU2 currently had in Amarrian space and ordered them to the Taru system to investigate futher.
A slave uprising? How had they managed to get themsleves free, let along pilot amarrian ships that far. Something was indeed going on here. He patched thru to HQ and informed them of the scout redeployment.
They might just be able to be of help, he could only hope that more of his people would not lose their lives before that could happen.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:19:00 -
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If you read that post a little closer, you'll see the uprising slaves are dead. They got blown up. Taking a dirt nap. Pushing up daisies. Sleeping with the fedo.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Running thru the latest galnet news whilst he awaited his latest ship to be re-fitted, he came across something which brought his full attention
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Last night a riot is rumoured to have occurred in a slave holding facility somewhere within the Taru system. It's believed the facility where the alleged riot occured is owned by Korramasha Mawhi, a small time slave trader with no record of illegal activities. Solid evidence has been hard to come by, but four ships in Korramasha's possession, including two Zealots and two Sacrileges were seen being piloted by four Matari personel heading towards Minmatar space.
These ships were intercepted and destroyed by two Amarr pilots believed to be employed by Mawhi. When asked why Concord didn't intervene, the Amarr Navy said that it was a purely civil matter which put it under the Navys duristiction, and not Concords. They declined to comment on any further details of the incident.
He raised the comm channel to some scouts FU2 currently had in Amarrian space and ordered them to the Taru system to investigate futher.
A slave uprising? How had they managed to get themsleves free, let along pilot amarrian ships that far. Something was indeed going on here. He patched thru to HQ and informed them of the scout redeployment.
They might just be able to be of help, he could only hope that more of his people would not lose their lives before that could happen.
Yes, Khaldorn, the Revolution has begun... In particular, San Matar is ripe for rebellion. The Abolition Party has grown strong there and the People's forces are ready to march against the corrupt government in Tanoo. The Red Army shall be victorous against these corrupt oppressors. And Ushra'Khan should make every effort to aid them from the air when that time comes.
Fighting has also begun again on the Ndorian moon in the Uplingur system. The slaves are rebelling there as well...
The Reform is sweeping through every dark part of our world with a cleansing fire.
The new wave is coming whether people would have it or not. The question is... will they be on it? Or under it?
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 25/04/2005 14:23:53
Indeed, rebellion, uprising. Attacks on Amarr. Working with terrorists against the orders of the Empire.
We know what you stand for Shira.
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Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:28:00 -
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So much for the whole staying faithful on the empire thing. Not enough support, so you have to turn to terrorism. So sad, so very sad...
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Dei Gloria
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 25/04/2005 14:31:38
Still faithful to God, country, and Emperor. They shall not be touched in the coming conflagration.
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:34:00 -
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Shira, it looks like we need to talk Amarrian.
All I care about is my peoples freedom. If we have a chance to bring them home, then bring them home we will.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Shira, it looks like we need to talk Amarrian.
All I care about is my peoples freedom. If we have a chance to bring them home, then bring them home we will.
sry, but most of them consider the slave pens their home ;|
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:37:00 -
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If you read the newes item again, you will notice that the alledged riot was only a rumour.
Nothing to see here citizens, move along...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Shira, it looks like we need to talk Amarrian.
All I care about is my peoples freedom. If we have a chance to bring them home, then bring them home we will.
sry, but most of them consider the slave pens their home ;|
And with the luxurious accomodation described by the SPCS guidelines, who can blame them?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Shira, it looks like we need to talk Amarrian.
All I care about is my peoples freedom. If we have a chance to bring them home, then bring them home we will.
sry, but most of them consider the slave pens their home ;|
Admittedly, this is true. That is why once the enemy has been vanquished and the Emperor free from those with the daggers to his throat, we shall allow the freed slaves to choose their fate. If they wish to stay and build the new Amarr Empire, then they may do so... if they wish to return home and spread the Reform, then they may do that as well.
Do not think the Reform stops at our borders... look at my banner... there is the cog... the symbol of industry and the common labourer, with the galaxy inside it... it is a universal movement. All men are equal and all men shall be free.
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Admittedly, this is true. That is why once the enemy has been vanquished and the Emperor free from those with the daggers to his throat, we shall allow the freed slaves to choose their fate. If they wish to stay and build the new Amarr Empire, then they may do so... if they wish to return home and spread the Reform, then they may do that as well.
Almost there, pet, almost there..
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Do not think the Reform stops at our borders... look at my banner... there is the cog... the symbol of industry and the common labourer, with the galaxy inside it... it is a universal movement. All men are equal and all men shall be free.
Speaking of your banner, it's absolutely bloated. Mind resizing it?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Speaking of your banner, it's absolutely bloated. Mind resizing it?
Can't right now... will do it when I get in "station" if you catch my drift...
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Admittedly, this is true. That is why once the enemy has been vanquished and the Emperor free from those with the daggers to his throat, we shall allow the freed slaves to choose their fate. If they wish to stay and build the new Amarr Empire, then they may do so... if they wish to return home and spread the Reform, then they may do that as well.
You speak much Amarrian. We shall see where this talk leads. But, we will not allow our people to remain slaves of the Amarrian Empire, whether it be under its current guise or under this new guise.
Who decides who comes home? Who shows them the beauties of Matar, the families left behind. Who will show them who they really are Amarrian? and not what the Empire told them they are.
We are Minmatar, we are family...
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:52:00 -
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Khaldorn, the destiny of your people is to be slaves. It is better to work for God that live a lifetime of your "freedom", as you call it.
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Dei Gloria
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
You speak much Amarrian. We shall see where this talk leads. But, we will not allow our people to remain slaves of the Amarrian Empire, whether it be under its current guise or under this new guise.
Who decides who comes home? Who shows them the beauties of Matar, the families left behind. Who will show them who they really are Amarrian? and not what the Empire told them they are.
We are Minmatar, we are family...
You cannot claim to want their freedom and then say that they must come home. It's an individual choice... one that every freedman will have to make. As I said, if they choose to stay, they can. If they want to leave, they'll be perfectly free to do that too.
Originally by: Kostantin Mort
Khaldorn, the destiny of your people is to be slaves. It is better to work for God that live a lifetime of your "freedom", as you call it.
Again... the typical corruption of the faith... the original intent of slavery was to bring people into the faith... if the Amarrians had said centuries ago that the destiny of the Ni-Kunni was to be slaves, then you wouldn't be in the position you are now. So the fact that you turn around and deny others that same route just goes to show the lies of the money changers.
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:02:00 -
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It is obvious that you have forgotten everything I have ever said on the subject of slavery. I have spoken in one of my sermons about the need for slavery to bring people in the faith. I'm sure you can find it in the archives of Galnet somewhere.
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Dei Gloria
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort
It is obvious that you have forgotten everything I have ever said on the subject of slavery. I have spoken in one of my sermons about the need for slavery to bring people in the faith. I'm sure you can find it in the archives of Galnet somewhere.
*shrugs* So then you're just contradicting yourself now by saying it's the Minmatars' destiny to be slaves... Fine. You're even more of a hypocrit then.
Do you want to stop talking now?
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
All I care about is my peoples freedom. If we have a chance to bring them home, then bring them home we will.
Sorry, cant have any of that.
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:08:00 -
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I don't really see how I was contradicting myself, but then again, contradicting is something you are rather good at yourself, too.
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Dei Gloria
"God is my shield and protector!" |
Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kostantin Mort
I don't really see how I was contradicting myself, but then again, contradicting is something you are rather good at yourself, too.
Well, we all have to be good at something. Though I don't really see how I've contradicted myself.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:17:00 -
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Perhaps the fact that you claim to be loyal to the Emperor... yet go directly against his wishes as stated when he won the championship?
Though I am hard pressed to see how Konstantin has contradicted himself, every one of his posts have said the same thing stated a different way...
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Perhaps the fact that you claim to be loyal to the Emperor... yet go directly against his wishes as stated when he won the championship?
Though I am hard pressed to see how Konstantin has contradicted himself, every one of his posts have said the same thing stated a different way...
He has contradicted himself by saying on the one had that slavery is a means to bring people into the faith and then simultaneously say that it's the Minmatars destiny to be slaves... He does not say to be brought into the faith by slavery... but that slavery is the path they are chosen to follow. Bad word choice? Perhaps... but it's telling. Especially when I've heard similar comments from those (Ni-Kunni especially) who seem to enjoy both the view that slaves are subhumans who will never be able to be enlightened and that the institution is in place to enlighten them.
As to your first comment about my contradictions, I look at the fact that he was facing a quasi-insurrection from the despotic House of Sarum at the time... need I refer you to what happened at his inauguration? His actions before becoming Emperor as well as his progressive stance since then suggest that he's being held back by conservative forces... and even one of your own pilots have acknowledged that emancipating slaves would not be in His best interest if he wishes to stay alive...
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.04.25 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tar Kovsky on 25/04/2005 16:53:55
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Though I am hard pressed to see how Konstantin has contradicted himself, every one of his posts have said the same thing stated a different way...
For most people, the word "destiny" implies an ultimate fate. When Konstantin says that "the destiny of your people is to be slaves" he may *mean* that "slavery is one step on the road to enlightenment for your people" -- but it's certainly not what he *said*.
Either way, it's pap of course.
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.25 16:56:00 -
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I must agree with a Minmatar for once. The argument is moot, though. I have always sponsored slavery as a means to God. That is why I have been a sponsor of both the Ni-Kunni, Amattar and even the small proportion of free Eular that can be found in our glorious Empire.
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Dei Gloria
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 17:01:00 -
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Fair enough... if he mispoke or I misunderstood, then I retract my claims that he was contradicting himself.
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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050405
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Posted - 2005.04.26 14:12:00 -
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In this time era Minmatar settle, in the next they strike.
The word slave has just begun to die.
Keep poolish thoose juwlery of yours.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.04.26 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: 050405
In this time era Minmatar settle, in the next they strike.
The word slave has just begun to die.
Keep poolish thoose juwlery of yours.
You know, Enlightenment includes the teaching of communication skills.
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Zorglub Kosmos
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Posted - 2005.04.26 14:58:00 -
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Bah, they were ripe to die, if they cannot agree to Amarr supremacy and deny to be slaves, they are worth nothing but a waste of space.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.26 20:02:00 -
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Quote:
"He has contradicted himself by saying on the one had that slavery is a means to bring people into the faith and then simultaneously say that it's the Minmatars destiny to be slaves... He does not say to be brought into the faith by slavery... but that slavery is the path they are chosen to follow. Bad word choice? Perhaps... but it's telling. Especially when I've heard similar comments from those (Ni-Kunni especially) who seem to enjoy both the view that slaves are subhumans who will never be able to be enlightened and that the institution is in place to enlighten them."
God decides your destiny. Thus destiny, fate and faith are the same.
Archbishop
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