So let's assume CCP give you a freighter with 500k m3 and 5 million HP, and you still get ganked, then what? "CCP, disallow aggression in hisec, it is unacceptable that we can't haul x billion isk worth in safety!"?

I though this would come up.

we've lost freighter with 300m worth of stuff.. how low you want us to go?

I already said that not everyone can afford a scout. we should not have to get a scout. Freighter were made to be able to transport a whole lot of stuff. if anyone can gank them easely, what's the use?

Because they are a 7 Billion ISK addition (plus cargo) to a killboard. That alone is worth shooting, if your killboard stats are looking a bit dodgy for the month.

Jump freighters have more EHP, but hold less cargohold. Why can't they be the solution?

[quote=Red Frog Rufen]



I lol'd. It takes 5 guys working together, according to you, to gank a freighter, and yet it's ridiculous to expect you to work with even one other person as an escort for defense? As far as I'm concerned, if you can defend yourself properly with 4 escort pilots per freighter, then the manpower is about correctly balanced with 5 people required to gank you.

And I'm fairly confident that with 4 scouts/logi ships following you around, you'd see a dramatic decrease in freighter losses.....

300k m3 freighter, 5 million ehp. You'd still whine if you got ganked.

you've put in good suggestions that I didn't quote.

but for your last part, a gank happens usually in less then 12 seconds. no logi can rep enough in 12 seconds to make a difference. that could work for low-sec transport tho!

where do you see me whine about getting ganked?

Did you even read the topic?

ganking is part of this game. I don't care about it.

I just want more freighters options.

Let's see what you have in the shape of choice today:
You have freighters: lots of room, a fair bit of EHP.
You have JFs, more than twice the EHP and a third the cargospace.
You have orcas, which can be setup to contain slightly more EHP than a freighter for significantly less cargospace.

Apparently this isn't enough, because you're complaining about how ganking freighters is on the rise, and as proof you showed a killmail with what is estimated as more than 500m isk loss for the gankers even though everything in the freighter dropped, and you're dismissing the JF even though it is better than a regular freighter in countering those kills because ... it's not "designed that way". vOv

I'm getting really tired of pointing this out to you people. It should be pretty obvious.

A good small freighter will not have greater training requirements than a large freighter, and it will be substantially cheaper and more agile. Neither Orca nor Jump Freighter even come close to this.

A good tough freighter can cost more and have a longer training time than a standard large freighter, but it needs a similar cargo space. The Jump Freighter doesn't match up there, and the Orca is a far cry from it.

Let's see what you have in the shape of choice today:
You have freighters: lots of room, a fair bit of EHP.
You have JFs, more than twice the EHP and a third the cargospace.
You have orcas, which can be setup to contain slightly more EHP than a freighter for significantly less cargospace.

Apparently this isn't enough, because you're complaining about how ganking freighters is on the rise, and as proof you showed a killmail with what is estimated as more than 500m isk loss for the gankers even though everything in the freighter dropped, and you're dismissing the JF even though it is better than a regular freighter in countering those kills because ... it's not "designed that way". vOv

I dont think CCP should add ships with no fitting options, its anti-game. And imagine how many they would have to add to fulfil every niche and pilot requirements. The proper way to do it is fewer ships but with greater customiziability, and a mini freighter with fits is not such a bad idea. However i think making the current freighters fittable instead would be a much better solution, because if a fittable freighter is added it will end up obsoleting the current one, and if not people will require the current ones be fittable as anyway

However CCP tends to choose the path of least resistance, and if they ever do something about the hauling situation it will most likely be a mini freighter. It will probably be a welcome change, but it will just make the current freighter look even worse. Might as well get it right from the beginning and make the current ones fittable

Check the freighter fits thread

This.

You already have choices, use them.

T3 BCs have very small tanks, and don't have drones (Talos excepted).

Having said that, I would love to see a new freighter.

GǪor it shows the junk you had in your hold, among which was a double-wrap that they wanted to bet on.

For each of the factions a sub-cap freighter/military transport that allows refits in space, a healthy maintenance bay, and cargo room for enough sandwiches and ammo to keep a small fleet operating all weekend would be a good role to fill.

It's not a suggestion without merit.