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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 19:59:00 -
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Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex.
There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro ..
Ok ccp explain this one please..
Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me.
anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer.. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2987
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:01:00 -
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It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10725
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:07:00 -
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It's a black day for sure. 
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
173
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:11:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places.
Paid for in two different ways as well |

Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:16:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places. Paid for in two different ways as well
you got to be joking me.
Please tell me the difference of 10 plex vs 5 GTC? And why we would be gratefull that ccp makes an offer which is more expensive than buying from an external website., ? |

Angeal MacNova
LankTech Adult Entertainment Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:30:00 -
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Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? |

Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:37:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game?
Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. |

Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:39:00 -
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Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2987
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:41:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex..
So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. |

Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:42:00 -
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Zoctrine wrote:Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals...
well i think its only bad for europian players as you pay the currency from where you are from. So my best guess is that ppl from the US see a 150 dollar deal for 10 plex.. I
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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:43:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way.
which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC |

Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
3595
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:46:00 -
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It's called an exchange rate mechanism, as it's a black friday offer I presume that the original price is in US$, historically Europe has always gotten screwed on the conversion from $ to Gé¼ and -ú, most companies seem to assume $1 = 1 of whatever currency is worth more than the $, you also have to take into account the rate of VAT which varies across Europe, CCP probably cover their bases by including the VAT at a fixed rate (probably the highest) so that administration costs are minimised.
Do the obvious thing, buy 5 PLEX @ the lower price via the GTC mechanism in place. Personally I find that a sub is way cheaper than buying either PLEX or GTC, you're getting charged extra for the convenience of being able to change real cash for imaginary cash.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
301
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:47:00 -
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CCP don't sell GTC. I think that's what these people are trying to say and keep their rough and tough edge.
The people who buy GTC get them in bulk and get better deals as a result. They then pass that on to you. If you can buy GTC cheaper, do that. Plex is aimed at Americans and Canadians with more money than brains. Like me. |

Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein and Ocih you are both right, thats why i am warning the euro players..
in the early days there was no plex and only GTC . you could extend your game time with creditcard or an other 3th party. ( in dollars )
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
45
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:12:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars I still don't see, why it's a problem. Just go on the internet and get yourself a GTC instead of 2 plexes from CCP.
Yes. You'll have to cope with exchange rates. So what? Think about it as being part of learning to adapt in this highly competitive hypercapitalistic game that EVE is.
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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:16:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Garia666 wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars I still don't see, why it's a problem. Just go on the internet and get yourself a GTC instead of 2 plexes from CCP. Yes. You'll have to cope with exchange rates. So what? Think about it as being part of learning to adapt in this highly competitive hypercapitalistic game that EVE is.
The problem is that ccp is making people believe that this is an great sale.. And if ppl dont know better they might buy it. With this post i hope that ppl who need to pay euro`s for plex. Read my post and buy GTC..
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TheNewestTwin
Capital Dynamics SQUEE.
9
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:18:00 -
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How can you buy a plex from CCP for dollars and live in europe? When I visit the Plex site on the Eveonline site I only get prices in euros...
Sorry if this is really obvious, I just don't seem to find this anywhere :S |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1918
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:19:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:
The problem is that ccp is making people believe that this is an great sale.. And if ppl dont know better they might buy it. With this post i hope that ppl who need to pay euro`s for plex. Read my post and buy GTC..
Nothing wrong with that.
An informed consumer keeps corporations honest.
Mr Epeen 
-á\O/ |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
45
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:20:00 -
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Zoctrine wrote:Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme.
At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility. |

Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:21:00 -
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TheNewestTwin wrote:How can you buy a plex from CCP for dollars and live in europe? When I visit the Plex site on the Eveonline site I only get prices in euros...
Sorry if this is really obvious, I just don't seem to find this anywhere :S
You cant buy plex in dollars sadly.. you will need to buy GTC from an reseller .
https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx
i use shatter crystal as its instant .. ( they do a 1st time buys check )
Then when you get GTC in your email you can covert them from out of your account managment page.
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Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
89
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:22:00 -
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What's the minimum wage in your country? What's the minimum wage in the US? That could help you answer your question. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
343
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:33:00 -
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all BF deals are a joke tbh Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3659
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:44:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex..
No, as a GTC isn't a PLEX
Then you convert the GTC and you get 2 PLEX but then you don't have the GTC  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
441
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:59:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Zoctrine wrote:Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme. At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility. It doesn't depend on exchange rates, it's taxes.
The European prices include a VAT which the USD prices do not - European countries generally off-set this with an import tax (which equals their domestic VAT) to make sure that their local businesses are not at an disadvantage compared to foreign imports.
As online purchases of digital goods are not tracked/declared for tax purposes in any automatic way, European EVE players would have to list the GTCs they buy at an US store in their tax declaration (and then pay the import tax) - something they generally do not do.
tl;dr OP is advertising tax fraud - which is unsurprisingly more profitable than paying taxes. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
761
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:07:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Zoctrine wrote:Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme. At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility. It doesn't depend on exchange rates, it's taxes. The European prices include a VAT which the USD prices do not - European countries generally off-set this with an import tax (which equals their domestic VAT) to make sure that their local businesses are not at an disadvantage compared to foreign imports. As online purchases of digital goods are not tracked/declared for tax purposes in any automatic way, European EVE players would have to list the GTCs they buy at an US store in their tax declaration (and then pay the import tax) - something they generally do not do. tl;dr OP is advertising tax fraud - which is unsurprisingly more profitable than paying taxes.
He will do well in Eve then. This is not a signature. |

YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:26:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex.
There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro ..
Ok ccp explain this one please..
Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me.
anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer..
You are from Europe, that says it all......
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:28:00 -
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It is because of Greece and Spain. Kick them out of the EU and you will be paying the same price.
Oddly CCP does not have sympathy for bankrupt countries. |

Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
17
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:33:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "nerf the European economy" thread?
10/10 good sir. On a side note, if there is a catastrophic Greek exit from the euro, what impact will this have on CCP Plex prices. Presumably hyper-inflation of the Greek currency means we could be looking at prices well north of 5-600 million Drachmas in Jita.
TL;DR WHEN IS CCP GOING TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES OF PLEX IN GREECE?!?!?!?!? Also, nerf minerbumping. |

Seven Noctis
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:35:00 -
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Seriously? Different prices in different regions for the same product, big surprise... There is nothing unusual about this, in fact, it is to be expected for a multitude of reasons.
Quote:It is because of Greece and Spain. Kick them out of the EU and you will be paying the same price. Unlikely. In fact, I might expect the opposite. Seven's Starting Player Enhanced Experience Deal - SPEED |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1146
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:18:00 -
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Garia666 wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Garia666 wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars
I'm with you, it's pretty simple. the black friday "sale" is still more expansive than buying 2 plex with a GTC.
people really struggling with this? both cost cash, both give you plex, both can then be traded in game. simple. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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