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Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex. There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro .. Ok ccp explain this one please.. Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me. anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer..
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2987	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10725	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:07:00 - [3] - Quote It's a black day for sure. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 173	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places. Paid for in two different ways as well
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:16:00 - [5] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: It's almost as if you were comparing two different products from two different places. Paid for in two different ways as well you got to be joking me. Please tell me the difference of 10 plex vs 5 GTC? And why we would be gratefull that ccp makes an offer which is more expensive than buying from an external website., ?
Angeal MacNova LankTech Adult Entertainment Alliance 40	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:30:00 - [6] - Quote Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game?
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:37:00 - [7] - Quote Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex..
Zoctrine Perkone Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals...
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2987	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:41:00 - [9] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way.
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:42:00 - [10] - Quote Zoctrine wrote: Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... well i think its only bad for europian players as you pay the currency from where you are from. So my best guess is that ppl from the US see a 150 dollar deal for 10 plex.. I
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC
Jonah Gravenstein Holistic Materials Research Council 3595	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:46:00 - [12] - Quote It's called an exchange rate mechanism, as it's a black friday offer I presume that the original price is in US$, historically Europe has always gotten screwed on the conversion from $ to Gé¼ and -ú, most companies seem to assume $1 = 1 of whatever currency is worth more than the $, you also have to take into account the rate of VAT which varies across Europe, CCP probably cover their bases by including the VAT at a fixed rate (probably the highest) so that administration costs are minimised. Do the obvious thing, buy 5 PLEX @ the lower price via the GTC mechanism in place. Personally I find that a sub is way cheaper than buying either PLEX or GTC, you're getting charged extra for the convenience of being able to change real cash for imaginary cash. Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid Corporations for sale, with hisec POS rights
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 301	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:47:00 - [13] - Quote CCP don't sell GTC. I think that's what these people are trying to say and keep their rough and tough edge. The people who buy GTC get them in bulk and get better deals as a result. They then pass that on to you. If you can buy GTC cheaper, do that. Plex is aimed at Americans and Canadians with more money than brains. Like me.
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 20:57:00 - [14] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein and Ocih you are both right, thats why i am warning the euro players.. in the early days there was no plex and only GTC . you could extend your game time with creditcard or an other 3th party. ( in dollars )
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 45	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars I still don't see, why it's a problem. Just go on the internet and get yourself a GTC instead of 2 plexes from CCP. Yes. You'll have to cope with exchange rates. So what? Think about it as being part of learning to adapt in this highly competitive hypercapitalistic game that EVE is.
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:16:00 - [16] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Garia666 wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars I still don't see, why it's a problem. Just go on the internet and get yourself a GTC instead of 2 plexes from CCP. Yes. You'll have to cope with exchange rates. So what? Think about it as being part of learning to adapt in this highly competitive hypercapitalistic game that EVE is. The problem is that ccp is making people believe that this is an great sale.. And if ppl dont know better they might buy it. With this post i hope that ppl who need to pay euro`s for plex. Read my post and buy GTC..
TheNewestTwin Capital Dynamics SQUEE. 9	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:18:00 - [17] - Quote How can you buy a plex from CCP for dollars and live in europe? When I visit the Plex site on the Eveonline site I only get prices in euros... Sorry if this is really obvious, I just don't seem to find this anywhere :S
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1918	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:19:00 - [18] - Quote Garia666 wrote: The problem is that ccp is making people believe that this is an great sale.. And if ppl dont know better they might buy it. With this post i hope that ppl who need to pay euro`s for plex. Read my post and buy GTC.. Nothing wrong with that. An informed consumer keeps corporations honest. Mr Epeen -á\O/
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 45	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:20:00 - [19] - Quote Zoctrine wrote: Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme. At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility.
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Sinewave Alliance 13	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:21:00 - [20] - Quote TheNewestTwin wrote: How can you buy a plex from CCP for dollars and live in europe? When I visit the Plex site on the Eveonline site I only get prices in euros... Sorry if this is really obvious, I just don't seem to find this anywhere :S You cant buy plex in dollars sadly.. you will need to buy GTC from an reseller . https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx i use shatter crystal as its instant .. ( they do a 1st time buys check ) Then when you get GTC in your email you can covert them from out of your account managment page.
Luc Chastot Moira. Villore Accords 89	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:22:00 - [21] - Quote What's the minimum wage in your country? What's the minimum wage in the US? That could help you answer your question. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 343	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:33:00 - [22] - Quote all BF deals are a joke tbh Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 3659	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:44:00 - [23] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. No, as a GTC isn't a PLEX Then you convert the GTC and you get 2 PLEX but then you don't have the GTC "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 441	Posted - 2012.11.23 21:59:00 - [24] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Zoctrine wrote: Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme. At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility. It doesn't depend on exchange rates, it's taxes. The European prices include a VAT which the USD prices do not - European countries generally off-set this with an import tax (which equals their domestic VAT) to make sure that their local businesses are not at an disadvantage compared to foreign imports. As online purchases of digital goods are not tracked/declared for tax purposes in any automatic way, European EVE players would have to list the GTCs they buy at an US store in their tax declaration (and then pay the import tax) - something they generally do not do. tl;dr OP is advertising tax fraud - which is unsurprisingly more profitable than paying taxes. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 761	Posted - 2012.11.23 22:07:00 - [25] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: Zoctrine wrote: Both deals are horrible, CCP must be the worst company coming up with "what they write" with special deals... This totally depends on exchange rates. Currently european players may be at a disadvantage. But there were also times, where you could get plex at a rate equal to a months sub in a yearly payment scheme. At those rates, buying a gtc was very attractive, because you had comparable costs and high flexibility. It doesn't depend on exchange rates, it's taxes. The European prices include a VAT which the USD prices do not - European countries generally off-set this with an import tax (which equals their domestic VAT) to make sure that their local businesses are not at an disadvantage compared to foreign imports. As online purchases of digital goods are not tracked/declared for tax purposes in any automatic way, European EVE players would have to list the GTCs they buy at an US store in their tax declaration (and then pay the import tax) - something they generally do not do. tl;dr OP is advertising tax fraud - which is unsurprisingly more profitable than paying taxes. He will do well in Eve then. This is not a signature.
YoYo NickyYo Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.11.23 22:26:00 - [26] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex. There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro .. Ok ccp explain this one please.. Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me. anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer.. You are from Europe, that says it all...... I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
Nexus Day Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2012.11.23 22:28:00 - [27] - Quote It is because of Greece and Spain. Kick them out of the EU and you will be paying the same price. Oddly CCP does not have sympathy for bankrupt countries.
Marvin Narville Imperial Outlaws 17	Posted - 2012.11.23 22:33:00 - [28] - Quote Posting in a stealth "nerf the European economy" thread? 10/10 good sir. On a side note, if there is a catastrophic Greek exit from the euro, what impact will this have on CCP Plex prices. Presumably hyper-inflation of the Greek currency means we could be looking at prices well north of 5-600 million Drachmas in Jita. TL;DR WHEN IS CCP GOING TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES OF PLEX IN GREECE?!?!?!?!? Also, nerf minerbumping.
Seven Noctis State War Academy Caldari State 65	Posted - 2012.11.23 22:35:00 - [29] - Quote Seriously? Different prices in different regions for the same product, big surprise... There is nothing unusual about this, in fact, it is to be expected for a multitude of reasons. Quote: It is because of Greece and Spain. Kick them out of the EU and you will be paying the same price. Unlikely. In fact, I might expect the opposite. Seven's Starting Player Enhanced Experience Deal - SPEED
MotherMoon Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1146	Posted - 2012.11.24 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars I'm with you, it's pretty simple. the black friday "sale" is still more expansive than buying 2 plex with a GTC. people really struggling with this? both cost cash, both give you plex, both can then be traded in game. simple. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Lairel Dallocort Jain Zar Gate 6	Posted - 2012.11.24 06:05:00 - [31] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Garia666 wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: Are GTC's an in game item that can traded in game? Euhm yes? you covert GTC to plex.. so every GTC gives you 2 plex.. So no they aren't. That's besides the point though. The point is they aren't the same items and they're sold in different places, so their price is not governed by the same rules(Can I get a huzzaa for taxes \o/) and they're paid for in different currency. It's perfectly ok to buy them for cheap though. CCP will get their money either way. which part of yes dont you understand? GTC are plex you convert them on your account managment page.. There is no difference other that you get 2 plex for 1 GTC an GTC cost 34.99 USD and plex for someone in europe cost 19,95- eur so 2 plex which is the same as 1 GTC with no black Friday offer costs 39,9 euro which is 51.09 dollars You can't compare prices in the EU and US that way economically. There is no price/wage pairity between the EU and US. While people in the US might make $50k USD for a certain job, it's likely that those in the EU will make $65k USD for the same job and then the prices would be higher in the EU, of course. It's a macroeconomics thing.
svenska flicka Caldari Provisions Caldari State 118	Posted - 2012.11.24 07:05:00 - [32] - Quote We live in a global economy and the arguments against the fact that they are always screwing over EU players these days are BS arguments that might have been viable before the internet.
Muestereate Oneida Inc. 76	Posted - 2012.11.24 07:12:00 - [33] - Quote Black Friday is an AMerican atrocity, why do you want anything to do with it.?
svenska flicka Caldari Provisions Caldari State 118	Posted - 2012.11.24 07:18:00 - [34] - Quote Muestereate wrote: Black Friday is an AMerican atrocity, why do you want anything to do with it.? Also English, same crap.
Alice Saki 21160	Posted - 2012.11.24 08:15:00 - [35] - Quote Simple Solution, Don't Buy Plex. Earn It ;) All You're Likes Belong to Me.
TharOkha 0asis Group 146	Posted - 2012.11.24 08:32:00 - [36] - Quote Thats why i never buy any product which sells 1USD=1EUR. Im paying by isk and ingame PLEX. Also i buy only fair price products on STEAM. Otherwise i use warez. if they can rip off me, i can rip off them GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 394	Posted - 2012.11.24 09:32:00 - [37] - Quote Does it matter? Black Friday is just another US specific commercial endeavour. Offers on that day are usually not better than what the conscientious consumer can find, the only thing setting it apart is that "almost" all vendors partake. Since you have already found a better offer, what is the point of the thread?
Schalac Apocalypse Reign 147	Posted - 2012.11.24 09:43:00 - [38] - Quote If you are bitching now, just wait until the Euro crashes and you need a wheel barrel full of them to purchase one time card.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 682	Posted - 2012.11.24 09:46:00 - [39] - Quote Schalac wrote: If you are bitching now, just wait until the Euro crashes and you need a wheel barrel full of them to purchase one time card. oh i love being in europe and not having the euro. it's like having a cake without any calories. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance 130	Posted - 2012.11.24 10:23:00 - [40] - Quote In this day and age, it is ieasier to simply accept you are being scammed at every turn. Just throw money at things untill they go away. Works for 90% of western countries.
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 279	Posted - 2012.11.24 10:26:00 - [41] - Quote I buy my ETCs for -ú12 each(30 days), thats WITH that limited edition catalyst and cerebral accelerator(around 200m total i guess). I also buy 60 day ETCs for -ú22 from the same place :). Official site is a ripoff if you live in UK. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1627	Posted - 2012.11.24 10:28:00 - [42] - Quote I heard you can buy a lobster for $1 in Cambodia. How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE!
Jerick Ludhowe The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire 213	Posted - 2012.11.24 11:40:00 - [43] - Quote Sarah Schneider wrote: I heard you can buy a lobster for $1 in Cambodia. Soft shell (sweet) lobster is cheap as ** in the states as well... earlier this year the cost per pound of soft shell lobster in New England was less than bologna. Based on that I think Cambodia is ripping people off. BTW I agree with the op, people sayings "it's not the same thing" need to pull their covered noses out of ccp's ass. Arguing semantics in regards to this topic only makes you look like a **.
TharOkha 0asis Group 146	Posted - 2012.11.24 11:40:00 - [44] - Quote Sarah Schneider wrote: I heard you can buy a lobster for $1 in Cambodia. Can you download that lobster from the internet? GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1127	Posted - 2012.11.24 12:11:00 - [45] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex. There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro .. Ok ccp explain this one please.. Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me. anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer.. People still use the euro? I thought that awful currency had failed. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 763	Posted - 2012.11.24 14:02:00 - [46] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Garia666 wrote: Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex. There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro .. Ok ccp explain this one please.. Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me. anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer.. People still use the euro? I thought that awful currency had failed. Is it true that the US dollar is soon to be renamed the Renminbi? This is not a signature.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 526	Posted - 2012.11.24 15:19:00 - [47] - Quote You see here OP, the problem isn't CCP's offers, or the fact that the American dollar is good. The problem is your country has chosen a failing currency :( "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
P'anChin Lien Crepitus Ventris 0	Posted - 2012.11.24 18:27:00 - [48] - Quote Garia666 wrote: Me as europian needs to pay euros for plex. There is an great offer currently today 10 plex ( 5 gtc ) for 149 euro.. However if i buy 5 GTC at dollars i pay 134,91 euro .. Ok ccp explain this one please.. Its like a freaking jita scam if you ask me. anywya my advise if your from europe.. Be smart and please dont buy this so called great offer.. Shut your whining euro dog.

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