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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
368
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:40:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:So I have been playing for 3 months now, I have built up a reasonably successful Indy corp, making enough to plex myself. Have had our first wardec because a bunch of gate camping Prats took offence to me breaking through their camp so thought now would be a time to try out some lowsec ratting and a bit of PvP.
And I fully expect a "oh look another noob complaining about how hard the game is, how about you STFU and HTFU and go back to being care bear and leave the fighting to the proper players."
I don't wanna, and I'm not.
But.
The whole experience is becoming stupidly frustrating, I go rat in 0.3 0.2 no problems. Make 400k and someone comes along and blows up my caracal, loose 14m get 7m insurance, net profit -6.6m.
Go back, refit, and repeat.
I have a tank that lasts all of 30-40 seconds against pilots that have DPS far in excess of mine, pilots who can warp scram me from 25km, TWENTY FIVE ******* KM.
And people wonder why the majority of players quit after 3 month?
I read fitting guides, watch tutorials, scribble down tactics and plans while on the train, and NOTHING helps to even remotely improve my chances.
Because the only thing to do when your a mostly 6m sp Indi character who can fly ravens on leve 3 missions is sit and stare at roids.
The cliff has hit and I'm not liking it. How can you get over the cliff so not to be basically a target for everything else in the universe?
I think your problem is that you want to be a pvper but spent 3 months carebearing before you started. All the time you have spent in eve not pvping is completely irrelevant, you are in just the same situation a day 1 noob who went into pvo from the start is in except you are flying a more expensive ship and learned bad habits shooting npcs.
You should never pvp in your pve ship regardless of how much sp you have, its just dumb. A caracal is perfect for lo sec ratting, but when someone enters system with you you should warp to a safe spot and hide, not wait for them to come kill you. You should have completely different ships, set ups and mindset for pve and pvp. Really you should be using t1 frigates till you have grasped the basics, say till you have 10 kills to your name? lo sec is a bit dangerous for learning pvp, the ideal scenario is a war dec, pity you wasted that, not that being war decced by gate campers makes any sense. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
580
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:48:00 -
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You need the A-Team --- "Also, your boobs" - CCP Eterne (Still writing great prose!)
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Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:54:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I have had an invite from a null alliance, might go see em. That is a risk, you may find a good corp/alliance, however, you are more likely to find a bad one.
What I meant was, do what you have been doing except do it in Null, as was pointed out in a post above, Null rats have way better rewards and as it stands there's numerous ghost system's, I have no problem stating that currently Null Space is the safest for a solo intrepid, all you need to do is spend couple weeks (even less) scouting and at the end you will have a couple hands full of systems to grind in peace.
Hope you find your place, enjoy the game mate... |
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:58:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
I have a tank that lasts all of 30-40 seconds against pilots that have DPS far in excess of mine, pilots who can warp scram me from 25km, TWENTY FIVE ******* KM.
Just for your information
there is a Difference between Scrambler and DISTRUPOR
SCRAMBLER : http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_Scrambler_I A scrambler normaly works around 10km +/- 3-4km (overheat or factionstuff)
IT GOT a Warp Scramble Strength (power of canceling your ship go into warp(standart power of a ship is 1) of 2-3 (depends on meta lvl) because there are some ships which have a higher warp strength or ships fittet with Warp Core Stabilizers http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Propulsion_:Propulsion_Upgrades:Warp_Core_Stabilizers
AND he can interdict your MWD module (Afterburnes still work) so u cant use it anymore
Pro: high strenght + enemy can use mwd anymore aslong in range Con: NO RANGE
Disruptor :http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_Disruptor_I IT got a warp ("""cancel""") strength 1
and it have a HUGE range of 20km (t1) 25km (t2) 30km (faction) + boost and overhead easy 40-48km warp disruption ( you cant warp away) but you still can use MWD and AB ( so you can gtfo fast)
Pros: HUGE ******* RANGE con : only Warp Scramble Strength of 1 and you still can use mwd BUT normaly you have fited a web or/and also a mwd or ab on it to keep in range or get in range.
my 2cents for u |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1522
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:34:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I have built up a reasonably successful Indy corp I think I found your problem right there.
Well, lots of people gave some nice advice to you, so I'll try to give some unique input.
First of all, three months of play time is way too little to jump to conclusions in this game. Time in EVE scales differently from usual, and your own personal progress looks more like the graph of a parabola's right side (exponential growth) than an inverse hyperbola (growth starts off quick but tapers off, like in most other games). Your understanding of the game three months in is almost inconsequential.
That said, don't be discouraged. You will get better, if you are patient, and actively try to better yourself.
You definitely shouldn't be running a corporation at this point in time. In my eyes, high-sec indy corporations run by 3-month-old "pros" are basically ransom pinatas. I've had so many wars with them, and extracted so many tens of billions of ISK, that I've essentially funded my accounts and pvp habits for half a decade.
Dissolve your corporation.
I know, you probably don't want to do it. But you really don't have a choice. You are simply not experienced enough to take on an EVE leadership role at this time.
Now stop training industrial skills.
Yes, you probably don't want to do that either. But you will need to either adapt your character for pvp (it's better than biomassing and starting from scratch), or you'll need to get an alt and train it exclusively for pvp, which I'm not sure you'd want to do this early on. Until you literally run out of pvp skills to train, which I wouldn't worry about for many years, you shouldn't mix and match industrial and pvp skills on the same character. That's not to say you shouldn't do indy stuff; all it means is that you should focus.
Finally, join a pvp corporation.
No, that doesn't mean join another carebear corporation that put "pvp roamz!" into its corp bio/recruitment spam, but then disbands at the first sign of a war declaration from a one-man griefer alt corporation. An actual pvp corporation. You will learn much quicker that way. Just reading guides doesn't help, trust me. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:41:00 -
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Did it hurt?
My Dad hit a cliff once, and I'm pretty sure it hurt.
I hit a cliff once, and I know it hurt. Like the bloody blazes actually. Dropped 10 feet, caught my chin on a projection and it flipped me over backwards with the force of it. I spun through the air and landed flat on my back on a granite bluff at the base of the waterfall, some 20 feet below where I started falling.
Rolled onto my front and hoisted myself off the ground over a few seconds or more, stood, looked at some guys who were white as sheets and staring at me, wiped the blood off my chin and painfully made my way up the path around the cliff and back to the car.
Didn't break anything, but when I checked the gash on my chin in the mirror, it spread open to reveal pure, white bone beneath the blood; about a half inch wide strip 2 inches long. Still got the scar.
Ah.. memories. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
ugh zug
86
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Posted - 2012.11.24 02:59:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Buy PLEX for $, sell PLEX for isk, buy a good char and a good ship. Then read lots of things.
sure pay to win is the answer to everything in eve, just ask ccp. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3661
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:06:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:Demolishar wrote:Buy PLEX for $, sell PLEX for isk, buy a good char and a good ship. Then read lots of things. sure pay to win is the answer to everything in eve, just ask ccp.
CCP confirms that if you officer fit a faction ship you can own losec solo "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
344
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Posted - 2012.11.24 03:23:00 -
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you can run incursions in safety in hi-sec and make at least 50m and hour. 100m an hour once you get in a good ship and a good fleet. ratting is for chumps Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:22:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Buy rifters and practice. Well, this is what I've been trying to do. With Merlins, Condors, Herons, Caracals, Moa's... Just don't last long enough to really learn anything useful.
How are your fitting skills?
You have engineering and eletronics to 5 so you can fit as much as possible? How about the shield/armor skills? What are you doing damage with? have you trained up gunnery/missiles/drones beyond the bare minimum? |
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Elmo Zumwalt
Elmo's Roughnecks
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:35:00 -
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If they war dec'd you, join Dec Shield. Dec Shield will get them locked forever into a mutual war that they cannot get out of, and it may cause some of their members to leave the enemy corp. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1524
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:54:00 -
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Elmo Zumwalt wrote:If they war dec'd you, join Dec Shield. Dec Shield will get them locked forever into a mutual war that they cannot get out of, and it may cause some of their members to leave the enemy corp. That's getting fixed, by the way. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1794
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:08:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Elmo Zumwalt wrote:If they war dec'd you, join Dec Shield. Dec Shield will get them locked forever into a mutual war that they cannot get out of, and it may cause some of their members to leave the enemy corp. That's getting fixed, by the way. Heh, another victory for Dec Shield, the experts at making creative use of highsec wardec mechanics. The hero that non-ganking c highsec combat pvp needs. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
40
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:24:00 -
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L2blob. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
283
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:15:00 -
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Think recent devblog said that infinite wardec thing is gettin fixed with new expansion. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:27:00 -
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OP, accept the cliff. It isn't going away. You can look past it on the shoulders of giants, namely the people who do make a successfull living in lowsec. Good points are being made in this topic. From personal experience I can tell you preventing to get caught isn't that hard once you know a few tricks. D-scan is your friend as many people have pointed out. So are bookmarks. "Prepare" a system using a cheap throwaway ship, make bookmarks a few hundred kilometers off gates, a few safes, etc.
Also: fit a Slasher with a webber, scrammer, small neut, shield extender and mwd. Then go kill people practicing in Rifters. Target selection bro, target selection... |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
61
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Posted - 2012.11.24 14:34:00 -
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so why go ratting during a wardec, even in low-sec? The bad guys will only use locator agents to find you anyway...get your corp together in frigs/cruisers whatever, and go find the people that have decced you! you may well find that they will only play station games anyway, but at least you're not just docking up and cowering in a station - which gets known and makes your corp more likely to get decced more often.
If you fight the deccers in hi-sec you get the rush of pvp without needing to worry about pierats and other people finding and killing you in low or in gate camps.
H |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.11.24 15:40:00 -
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I think everyone admits lo-sec and hi-sec are different games. So the choice is adapt or play in an area that more meets your play style.
From the sounds of it you would make an excellent candidate for WH space. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Caldari Gallente Concordance
8
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:44:00 -
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Marvin Narville wrote: I would imagine you are relatively proficient at industrial tasks no? You seem to have succeeded where you applied effort, at being an industrialist. I suppose if you wanted to be proficient at PvP, you should have spent time on it instead of manufacturing?
As a simple analogy, this is akin to getting a PHD in Literature and complaining that you are struggling as a Nuclear Physicist.
I wouldn't say you've hit some eerie "3 month cliff" at all. I'd say you've never put skill points, practice, or time into ship combat, or learning the nuances of low sec, but simply expect to be proficient at both.
That's a fair point really. Thing is, I have ISK as a result of my mining/trading activities, mainly because I'm good at organising business models. But the idea of another 3 months flying around mining and refining will just do my head in. Need a change before I suffer burnout. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Caldari Gallente Concordance
8
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:49:00 -
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A lot of good info here. I think in general I have made a few mistakes
i) Not understod that industry and combat are mutually exclusive. You do one or the other, but not both.
ii) Still dont seem to understand the fitting mechanics of PvP
I guess really I need a hand with the fittings and skills because even using the PvP recommended fits on the battleclinic dont seem to work well. I just to slightly improve my chances.
Or maybe even fly FW?
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
369
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:50:00 -
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Using a battleclinic fit without understanding how to use it or why it works is a very common mistake newer players make. Its a bit like the guys who take a battleclinic fit for missioning then use eve survival and think they are good at pve. If you take a kiting fit off BC and then try to brawl with it it won't go well. If you take a frigate hunting fit and try to fight a bs with it it won't go well either. If you try to use a fleet fit solo it won't go well. You get the picture. |
Thomas Orca
Zero Fun Allowed
119
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:53:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Using a battleclinic fit is a very common mistake players make.
Seriously, there are way better places to get fits. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
435
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:57:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
And I fully expect a "oh look another noob complaining about how hard the game is, how about you STFU and HTFU and go back to being care bear and leave the fighting to the proper players."
Ask and ye shall recieve.......
Quote: The whole experience is becoming stupidly frustrating, I go rat in 0.3 0.2 no problems. Make 400k and someone comes along and blows up my caracal, loose 14m get 7m insurance, net profit -6.6m.
Go back, refit, and repeat.
Highlighted your problem, you are doing the same things over and over expecting different results. This is the definition of insanity btw.
At NO TIME do you mention other players, people who YOU befriended to help you do what you want to do. You are trying to play a multiplayer game solo. a guy scramming you from 25km away doesn't mean squat when there is 1 of him and 16 of "you".
Hundreds of thousands of actual people (such as myself) have figured out how to get past the situations you describe and carry on with the game, if you can't without help from the EVE General Discussion forum, you should probably revisit your choice to play EVE Online in the 1st place. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1533
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Posted - 2012.11.24 23:59:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:A lot of good info here. I think in general I have made a few mistakes
i) Not understod that industry and combat are mutually exclusive. You do one or the other, but not both. No one here said that. The thing you shouldn't do is try to pvp on a character with predominantly industrial skills. Although I wouldn't recommend it, it is possible to have a "mixed" character in terms of skill point distribution. But it would mean that it takes you much longer to reach goals in both pvp and pve. Either way, new players should always focus on pvp first, because doing so teaches important survival skills. And pvp skills coincide with the stuff you need to run missions and rat well, so it's not like you'd be a pauper. Mining isn't the only way to make money you know. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech Adult Entertainment Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:31:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:So I have been playing for 3 months now, I have built up a reasonably successful Indy corp, making enough to plex myself. Have had our first wardec because a bunch of gate camping Prats took offence to me breaking through their camp so thought now would be a time to try out some lowsec ratting and a bit of PvP.
And I fully expect a "oh look another noob complaining about how hard the game is, how about you STFU and HTFU and go back to being care bear and leave the fighting to the proper players."
I don't wanna, and I'm not.
But.
The whole experience is becoming stupidly frustrating, I go rat in 0.3 0.2 no problems. Make 400k and someone comes along and blows up my caracal, loose 14m get 7m insurance, net profit -6.6m.
Go back, refit, and repeat.
I have a tank that lasts all of 30-40 seconds against pilots that have DPS far in excess of mine, pilots who can warp scram me from 25km, TWENTY FIVE ******* KM.
And people wonder why the majority of players quit after 3 month?
I read fitting guides, watch tutorials, scribble down tactics and plans while on the train, and NOTHING helps to even remotely improve my chances.
Because the only thing to do when your a mostly 6m sp Indi character who can fly ravens on leve 3 missions is sit and stare at roids.
The cliff has hit and I'm not liking it. How can you get over the cliff so not to be basically a target for everything else in the universe?
Your biggest problem is being 3 months old. Seriously that's what it comes down to. Leaving the human factor aside and speaking in terms of game mechanics only, the bonuses you get from your skills makes the greatest difference in the game. Not only do you get bonuses to increase the effectiveness of ships and modules directly, you also require a min level of certain skills to be able to use the better gear (eg. T2 modules). Now the these bonuses are per level for each skill and as each skill increase in level, the time it takes to reach the next level becomes greater. This means that, while you will be able to close the gap between you and them, you will unfortunately not be able to catch up with them any time soon simply because of how long the training times can get.
My advice is to continue to mine and mission in high sec while you skill up.
The alternative is try your luck getting into a well established null sec corp/alliance. From what I've read of the forums, it's the 2nd safest place provided you stay in home terf. PvP there as part of a fleet. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1533
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:36:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:My advice is to continue to mine and mission in high sec while you skill up. This is very very bad advice. It causes newer players to fall into the "just a little bit more" trap that becomes ever more difficult to escape over time. Whether it's acquiring a little bit more skill points, or some extra ISK, these players will continue to put off engaging in the more difficult aspects of this game until so much time passes, that they don't even want to try anymore. The worst carebear CEOs I've ever seen give this type of advice. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech Adult Entertainment Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:42:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:My advice is to continue to mine and mission in high sec while you skill up. This is very very bad advice. It causes newer players to fall into the "just a little bit more" trap that becomes ever more difficult to escape over time. Whether it's acquiring a little bit more skill points, or some extra ISK, these players will continue to put off engaging in the more difficult aspects of this game until so much time passes, that they don't even want to try anymore. The worst carebear CEOs I've ever seen give this type of advice.
Well, I think people with that kind of thought were not really wanting to go the low/null sec route to begin with or if they did, they wouldn't stay for very long. Although I do see your point.
So try his luck with joining a null sec corp/alliance then? |
Cyprus Black
No Flux Given
399
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Posted - 2012.11.25 01:23:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:So I have been playing for 3 months now, I have built up a reasonably successful Indy corp, making enough to plex myself. Have had our first wardec because a bunch of gate camping Prats took offence to me breaking through their camp so thought now would be a time to try out some lowsec ratting and a bit of PvP. That's probably not the reason why they wardec'ed you. The real reason is most likely that you mouthed off at someone and they took it personally. Of course you'd never admit the truth to anyone here nor to yourself.
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:The whole experience is becoming stupidly frustrating, I go rat in 0.3 0.2 no problems. Make 400k and someone comes along and blows up my caracal, loose 14m get 7m insurance, net profit -6.6m.
Go back, refit, and repeat. You are aware of a directional scanner and local channel, right? Paying attention to these will save your life. That and a cloaking device plus safe spots.
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I have a tank that lasts all of 30-40 seconds against pilots that have DPS far in excess of mine, pilots who can warp scram me from 25km, TWENTY FIVE ******* KM.
And people wonder why the majority of players quit after 3 month?
I read fitting guides, watch tutorials, scribble down tactics and plans while on the train, and NOTHING helps to even remotely improve my chances. It's no wonder why new players quit a lot. In your case you're under the delusion that the game conforms to your "reality", then you cry and stomp your feet when you get burned. Instead of whining about getting blown up, maybe you should brush up on tactics on not getting blown up. You know, instead of just saying you did when you obviously did not.
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:The cliff has hit and I'm not liking it. How can you get over the cliff so not to be basically a target for everything else in the universe? Acknowledging reality is a good start. There's no shame in not knowing what you're doing but if you insist on wallowing in ignorance then cry about getting hurt then that's all on you and nobody else.
There's plenty of people willing to help and guide you, but not if you can't even face reality.
Too busy playing The Secret World. EvE has gone stale and boring. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1534
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Posted - 2012.11.25 01:41:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Well, I think people with that kind of thought were not really wanting to go the low/null sec route to begin with or if they did, they wouldn't stay for very long. Although I do see your point.
So try his luck with joining a null sec corp/alliance then? That, or any empire corporation that isn't pvp-averse. It doesn't have to be a hardcore war corporation. There's plenty that dabble in FW, or simply live in low-sec. It's all about exposure. The more danger one is exposed to, the less scary danger becomes. I would bet my money on a month-old player who started off in risky environments, than an 18-month-old player who never left the warm embrace of his Caldari mission hub. It's not even about player attitude, simply because misinformation plays such a huge role in shaping peoples' attitudes in EVE. A lot of these carebears aren't even aware of their own potential simply because their first ever CEO or random miner in local told them "dun do pvp, it sux." (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Tribal Band
861
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Posted - 2012.11.25 02:01:00 -
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One thing I can add to all this.
You ship is already dead as soon as you undock. If doesn't realize it for a couple months, chalk it up to good luck, but realize its already dead.
Accept that, and move on.
You will be much happier, and do much better in EVE. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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