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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:43:00 -
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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328490/EVE-Online-The-Jesters-Lament.html
Most interesting read, can't judge how factual it is though. However, it appears that there's a long term goal to push Eve to a point of stagnation in order to break it badly enough that CCP will have no choice but to fix it, or let it die.
Quote:In truth, the end result of all of this pairing off and conquering is a goal which has been conjured by the CSM. A statement of absolute meaning to CCP: Fix EVE. Fix EVE fast or we'll stagnate the game to the point where there'll be no wars, no need to fight and no need to play. It's a vicious message, a brutal message and it should, hopefully, be significant.
But there is profit to be made here. Money for the man with a keen eye. Control of all of null-sec under a large coalition allows certain resources to be controlled outright. Embargoes on resources result in hi-sec and low-sec being starved of crucial materials needed to build ships and continue the cycle of production and destruction that keeps the EVE Online economy functioning.
You see this? This is why they suddenly are so concerned about mythical "daytrippers" mining ABC in wormholes and want ABC removed from them. This is why they want ice removed from high sec.
Small wheels in a long term plan, not to benefit Eve, at least in the short run, but to push their agenda. The real question is... these are Goons. Are they really ultimately trying to save Eve, or is this the ultimate Goon Eve agenda... to bring it all crashing down and laugh as they transfer to their next MMO victim?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:44:00 -
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Same with military training. You need to break them down in order to build them up. |
Abrazzar
143
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:47:00 -
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All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:49:00 -
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We should start an embargo on tinfoil. We would literally be shitting ISK right now. |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force
Apocalypse Now.
4
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:52:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious.
Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
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Flakey Foont
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:54:00 -
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Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
Please substantiate this or is it just another "my friend has a brother. who knows..." statement? |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:56:00 -
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0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit |
stoicfaux
256
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:56:00 -
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Yeah, but in theory, CCP's quick fix to any such embargoed resources is to add the resources to high-sec or to buff resource gathering ships. Meaning, the level of effort needed to control null-sec doesn't mean much if CCP can counter by simply tweaking a few database entries.
If you want to "force" CCP to do something, then go after subs and hit CCP in the pocket book.
P.S. Generic tinfoil isn't worth the money. Use the name-brand stuff instead. IME/IMHO.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:57:00 -
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Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
They did that even before any Goons worked for them. Its kind of their SOP. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
87
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:58:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now? Please substantiate this or is it just another "my friend has a brother. who knows..." statement?
Soundwave (Stoffer Ninjapirate) and Sreegs (Darius JOHNSON) are ex-Goons.
(is being an ex-Goon like being an ex-murderer?)
No secret there. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:58:00 -
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They have two choices, burn it all to the ground (much more entertaining I must say) or conquer and/or establish a game wide win where no one is left with anything to do but sit idly by and pray CCP breaks the stalemate.
The former option, one that is near and dear to my heart as the plan I would go for given the opportunity, is not possible in today's EVE because not enough people would agree to it.
The latter, can be foisted upon the player base by anyone with enough clout and power. What is stopping them? If they do not do it, DRF will.
I say let them, we can all both hate and cherish the fact that they are on the one hand attempting to willfully ruin the game for the rest of us and on the other hand calling CCP's bluff on whether or not CCP will wake up and smell the coffee before it's too little too late.
I know I for one, rather dislike the idea of being on the receiving end of what may or may not be their grand design, but the game will indeed be better for it, if the plan succeeds. If they fail, the game goes down with them and they have made a new name for themselves in a most bombastic way.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:02:00 -
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Plus Goons are only out to ruin YOUR game. From the sounds of it they are having a blast playing. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
18
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:02:00 -
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If they are using game mechanics to do this then by all means take it to the moon. It will be an interesting ride for sure.
Slade
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:03:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit
If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon?
Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:06:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
embargoing abc would be a pain in the ass
we simply embargo technetium, where we can easily check who owns what moon, and suddenly you can't make t2 ships (even after a tech nerf), or we embargo prom, or whatever is easiest to monitor
ice is much easier to control, it also has limited chokepoints that can be easily monitored |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
87
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:07:00 -
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not what goons do will kill eve; it's how people react to goons doing it. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:08:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
Exactly, given enough clout and power I would make the same decisions as they may or may not be making, what with the general state of the game and all, it could not really do more than accelerate whatever is going to happen anyways, and I for one have waited two years since Dominion for CCP to at least address the issues they introduced.
I neither would wish POS spamming back onto players nor desire for the current trend to continue... which leaves two options, destroy everything I can get my hands on, or just simply stop participating in the grand space opera, convince (or force in this case) as many others as I can to do exactly the same, and sit and wait for CCP to crap a brick, pull all the stops, and finally do something legitimate and tangible about it.
Stoic is right though, it would have to be excessively drastic and effectual (in this case he argues that it is not) for CCP to take action, otherwise the only real way to get their attention is through subscriptions.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Controlled Chaos
14
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:10:00 -
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So the Goons are crashing the production of POS and cap fuel, and driving the T2 prices through the roof?
Well, that means no more POS-bashing, no more supercaps online, no more Zealot/Guardian fleets. Still can't see the downside.
I, for one, look forward to roaming around in named-fit Ruptures. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
10
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:10:00 -
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ugh |
Gealbhan
32
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:21:00 -
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Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP? |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
21
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:23:00 -
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Tbh it's a great storyline and kudos for pulling it off.
Uniting highsec-ppl to fight against that will be quite hard,
because when threats arise, most ppl tend to ignore/try to defend/give up,
instead of fighting against the enemy.
Sheep ... just kill them all.
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:24:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination... embargoing abc would be a pain in the ass we simply embargo technetium, where we can easily check who owns what moon, and suddenly you can't make t2 ships (even after a tech nerf), or we embargo prom, or whatever is easiest to monitor ice is much easier to control, it also has limited chokepoints that can be easily monitored
I can see your point, thank you.
I have to admit... this has the potential to be fascinating. Can it really be pulled off? Are you all really going to try?
I need popcorn.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:24:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP?
Did someone spike your punch or something? 
Goons can use game mechanics to any means they want, if CCP does not like it, they will simply change the game mechanics.
Goons are already very familiar with this fact, and if this is what they really want to do, they are likely counting on CCP to do just that.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
63
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:29:00 -
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This is to be expected. Given a sandbox game where any size power bloc can be created, and used to whatever ends desired, entities such as Goonswarm were bound to form and have their lulz. Nothing here to be all that alarmed about.
I do think its ironic though, that by declaring Eve as being full of "rampant stagnation" and going on an all out campaign to embargo resources, attack highsec, and invade Delve, they are creating quite the firestorm of activity, giving many players some much needed excitement and / or something to do.
How one promotes stagnation by engaging in the very large-scale conflicts they say are dwindling, is a little beyond my understanding. But I'm just an armchair observer, I just gather bits and pieces from news articles, forum chatter, and the occasional pompous Mittani tweet. Maybe someone in GSF can better explain how you further stagnate a "stagnating" game by kickstarting a combined military push and market manipulation scheme across Empire while simultaneously reclaiming some hotly contested territory. What happened to Mittani's statement that nullsec resources weren't worth the hassle of claiming and holding Sov?
This is why I stay out of such things and just stick to my corner of the universe.... |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:32:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
How one promotes stagnation by engaging in the very large-scale conflicts they say are dwindling, is a little beyond my understanding. ....
When/if they control all of null there won't be any combat to be had. Stagnation.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Gealbhan
32
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:33:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:Gealbhan wrote:Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP? Did someone spike your punch or something? Goons can use game mechanics to any means they want, if CCP does not like it, they will simply change the game mechanics. Goons are already very familiar with this fact, and if this is what they really want to do, they are likely counting on CCP to do just that.
Actually stomach bug and 2h sleep in the last 36. I wouldn't mind a heavily spiked drink lol.
I'm serious though, select CSM members are getting to cocky for their own good & the good of the game. |
Prince Kobol
49
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:39:00 -
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Was going to type out a reply about how CCP are gutless otherwise most null sec alliances would have been ripped apart by having large numbers of their players banned for Booting / RMT but then realised I don't care.
Its a game.
Goons + friends win = Dead Eve
Goons + friends fail = Eve carries on as normal.
Either way , who gives a ****. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:40:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:
Actually stomach bug and 2h sleep in the last 36. I wouldn't mind a heavily spiked drink lol.
I'm serious though, select CSM members are getting to cocky for their own good & the good of the game.
Ugh, I've had serious cases of norovirus like three times in the past ten years and it nearly landed me in the ER twice, hope you get well soon Geal!
But I mean, yes, they are probably enjoying themselves to a degree for sure. But whether they are going beyond the EULA by claiming they want to monopolize the entire game just to cause CCP to address the issues they feel need addressing... well... CCP cannot really ban people for playing the game, can they?
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Lakshmii
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:44:00 -
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I think it'd be cool if all or at least most of high sec united to take on the DCF to free the monopolized resources. It would make for a hell of a story! Unfortunately, I think most folk would rather roll over and die (no longer log in). Their own fault if they don't want to fight the good fight!
a¦á_a¦¦a¦â |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
73
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:47:00 -
[30] - Quote
Lakshmii wrote:I think it'd be cool if all or at least most of high sec united to take on the DCF to free the monopolized resources. It would make for a hell of a story! Unfortunately, I think most folk would rather roll over and die (no longer log in). Their own fault if they don't want to fight the good fight!
When you consider who has the supers and who doesn't... makes it a little more challenging than most people are willing to accept.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
63
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:52:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:
When/if they control all of null there won't be any combat to be had. Stagnation.
...Just want to double check - the problem is lack of reason to fight in nullsec. The solution - to take over all of nullsec through military and economic force? Isn't that like saying saying we're going to protest peace through a violent revolution, only to take control to implement more peace again?
To say it'll all be over soon and back to boringtown - is to make the blanket assumption that any campaign by the GSF will be 100% successful and take a minimal amount of time to achieve. (Probably true, but we dont really need to feed the egomachine.)
I say, in the meantime, until the GSF's plan comes to fruition it looks to me like Eve's stagnation problems are solved. :)
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:55:00 -
[32] - Quote
there is literally no reason to fight in 0.0 anymore, and fighting is horrendous grinding of sov structures so "fun" sure isn't one of those reasons
the dcf is a demonstration of how utterly unfun fighting in 0.0 is |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:56:00 -
[33] - Quote
so to have fun we're murderizing empire just for the hell of it |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:03:00 -
[34] - Quote
goons used to ******* love fighting in 0.0, people would be excited as **** over how fights went and taking key systems and the like
now its just sort of an unpleasant chore to keep our name on the map |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:25:00 -
[35] - Quote
Welcome to EVE everyone trying to screw everyone
nothing to see here just Goons being goons....i swear those guys didn't get enough attention from their mommy when they were younger.
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:31:00 -
[36] - Quote
the little blade of grass is jealous of the mighty oaks, yes |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:33:00 -
[37] - Quote
those mighty oaks are showing off again!!!!!! |
Cipher Jones
50
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:46:00 -
[38] - Quote
Like I have already pointed out, their current actions benefit botters and RMT'ers greatly. Since this isn't a court of law intent is largely irrelevant. .
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Prince Kobol
50
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:01:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Like I have already pointed out, their current actions benefit botters and RMT'ers greatly. Since this isn't a court of law intent is largely irrelevant. .
i.e themselves :)
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
63
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:14:00 -
[40] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:goons used to ******* love fighting in 0.0, people would be excited as **** over how fights went and taking key systems and the like
now its just sort of an unpleasant chore to keep our name on the map
Confirming, the invasion of Delve is merely so the Sov map has a slice labeled - Goon?
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:goons used to ******* love fighting in 0.0, people would be excited as **** over how fights went and taking key systems and the like
now its just sort of an unpleasant chore to keep our name on the map Confirming, the invasion of Delve is merely so the Sov map has a slice labeled - Goon?
pretty much we care about ot so little we even let you dock in our stations there |
Oxygen Isotopes
Tridan Industry
Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:24:00 -
[42] - Quote
We are not breaking eve at all, we are just entertaining ourselves.
Our plans have nothing to do with anything beyond killing Mackinaws only in Gallente space. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
63
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:
pretty much we care about ot so little we even let you dock in our stations there
Great! I'll be sure to move my personal fleet out there. :-P
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Infinimo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.04 20:57:00 -
[44] - Quote
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the worldn++ burn. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2011.10.04 20:57:00 -
[45] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Weaselior wrote:
pretty much we care about ot so little we even let you dock in our stations there
Great! I'll be sure to move my personal fleet out there. :-P
please do, that's the point of the freeport |
Cipher Jones
50
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Posted - 2011.10.04 21:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
Oxygen Isotopes wrote:We are not breaking eve at all, we are just sending the message to CCP that if we don't get what we want we will feed the RMT market with the intent of hurting you financially.
Fixed that for you there snapperhead.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
269
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Posted - 2011.10.04 22:08:00 -
[47] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Oxygen Isotopes wrote:We are not breaking eve at all, we are just sending the message to CCP that if we don't get what we want we will feed the RMT market with the intent of hurting you financially. Fixed that for you there snapperhead.
Your seething jealously completes me.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Largo Usagi
SregginWaffe
Elite Space Guild
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
I still cant get how many people are but mad over the goons jacking the price of 1 of the isotopes up. Oh knoes its the end of the world. Its no different than the type of tears that are harvested during Hulkageddon. They will move onto trashing up some one else for the same reason once this gets old. If you want to avoid getting **** on during these types of events/cycles move into null sec. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
Largo Usagi wrote:I still cant get how many people are but mad over the goons jacking the price of 1 of the isotopes up. Oh knoes its the end of the world. Its no different than the type of tears that are harvested during Hulkageddon. They will move onto trashing up some one else for the same reason once this gets old. If you want to avoid getting **** on during these types of events/cycles move into null sec.
Indeed. I recommend Delve. Readily-available docking, plenty or resources, and friendly neighbors! |
Cipher Jones
50
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
Ladie Scarlet wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Oxygen Isotopes wrote:We are not breaking eve at all, we are just sending the message to CCP that if we don't get what we want we will feed the RMT market with the intent of hurting you financially. Fixed that for you there snapperhead. Your seething jealously completes me.
Lol jealousy of what exactly? Your ***** based avatar or your leader who pulls stunts that benefit his adversaries?
Nah you caught me I'm jealous of both.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
We're not killing anyone, man, we're setting them free! |
Nth Ares
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:27:00 -
[52] - Quote
When it comes right down to it, who cares if they are going after ice miners? Thanks for the warning. Stop mining ice! They will get bored and probably hit Veldspar miners next. So, stop mining Veld and do missions. When they finally get around to harrassing every mission-runner in all of New Eden, they will be stretched so thin as to be part of the nameless background.
The only way this campaign of their can "break" EVE is if a huge number of players either join in the destruction themselves (copycat campaigns) or get frustrated and quit. If the first thing happens, then everyone will at least be having fun burning the world down. If the second thing, CCP will do something to stop player loss. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
269
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 01:29:00 -
[53] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Lol jealousy of what exactly?
The fact that we're having fun in Eve and you aren't.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 03:01:00 -
[54] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now? Please substantiate this or is it just another "my friend has a brother. who knows..." statement?
I assume you mean other than the guys that have announced themselves on the forums, IE Sreegs. Or didnt you know the head of security is or used to be a Goon?
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
58
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 03:01:00 -
[55] - Quote
Ingvar Angst wrote:http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328490/EVE-Online-The-Jesters-Lament.html Most interesting read, can't judge how factual it is though. However, it appears that there's a long term goal to push Eve to a point of stagnation in order to break it badly enough that CCP will have no choice but to fix it, or let it die. Quote:In truth, the end result of all of this pairing off and conquering is a goal which has been conjured by the CSM. A statement of absolute meaning to CCP: Fix EVE. Fix EVE fast or we'll stagnate the game to the point where there'll be no wars, no need to fight and no need to play. It's a vicious message, a brutal message and it should, hopefully, be significant.
But there is profit to be made here. Money for the man with a keen eye. Control of all of null-sec under a large coalition allows certain resources to be controlled outright. Embargoes on resources result in hi-sec and low-sec being starved of crucial materials needed to build ships and continue the cycle of production and destruction that keeps the EVE Online economy functioning. You see this? This is why they suddenly are so concerned about mythical "daytrippers" mining ABC in wormholes and want ABC removed from them. This is why they want ice removed from high sec. Small wheels in a long term plan, not to benefit Eve, at least in the short run, but to push their agenda. The real question is... these are Goons. Are they really ultimately trying to save Eve, or is this the ultimate Goon Eve agenda... to bring it all crashing down and laugh as they transfer to their next MMO victim?
Welcome to last month.
...and CCP is more than happy to give it to them. The rage should not be targeted at Goons. It should be targeted at CCP for agreeing with it in the first place.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 03:03:00 -
[56] - Quote
Nth Ares wrote:CCP will do something to stop player loss.
Yes, start work fully on World of Darkness
What you think they care?
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
143
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 03:07:00 -
[57] - Quote
Yes yes yes goons are doing it for the attention, and because the DRF is not taking over their space at the moment
[img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 03:47:00 -
[58] - Quote
funny thing about this; its all within game rules, so CCP
DOESNT CARE
DRF is taking over 0.0, its all within the rules... see above
theyll succeed and ccp will continue to not care. Hey Goons, whats yer next game?
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 05:14:00 -
[59] - Quote
This game is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The stations are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their mission running and mining will foam up about their waists and all the Mission runners and miners will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no." |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
144
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 05:20:00 -
[60] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote:This game is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The stations are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their mission running and mining will foam up about their waists and all the Mission runners and miners will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
you're dumb
[img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Jita Alt666
305
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 05:53:00 -
[61] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Oxygen Isotopes wrote:We are not breaking eve at all, we are just sending the message to CCP that if we don't get what we want we will feed the RMT market with the intent of hurting you financially. Fixed that for you there snapperhead. Your seething jealously completes me. Lol jealousy of what exactly? Your ***** based avatar or your leader who pulls stunts that benefit his adversaries? Nah you caught me I'm jealous of both.
You need to restart your fluoxetine prescription.
|
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
71
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 05:57:00 -
[62] - Quote
Just a GSF marketing stunt.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/goonswarm-marketing.html
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Xikulis
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 05:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious.
Posting to confirm this is the first CSM that has had any Goons on it.
|
Kryss Darkdust
Darkdust Industries Empire
12
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:13:00 -
[64] - Quote
Not a fan of the Goons, but one thing that can be said about their activities is that they actually get Eve. Its a sandbox, they are playing in it. They are doing in Eve exactly what Eve is for, creating content.
So they have made a few select systems unsafe in a small part of the galaxy for specific type of pilots doing something very specific. How in the world is this a global problem. Its a butterfly sized problem.
Avoid the systems in which they are active (which they have conviently listed for you) .. problem solved. |
ACE McFACE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:26:00 -
[65] - Quote
No need to do anything, its not like it will have any effect, unless they don't like making ISK from selling their moon minerals. Also Goons don't control 100% of null
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
99
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:27:00 -
[66] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Yes yes yes goons are doing it for the attention, and because the DRF is not taking over their space at the moment
nope.avi |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:29:00 -
[67] - Quote
Again, pubbies trying to rationalize away the fact that sometimes, some people just like to screw over other people for fun. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
99
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
no no no it's a coordinated marketing stunt to throw our spacedicks around
oh wait you can't drop titans in highsec |
Prince Kobol
51
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
To all the goons posting here on the forums..
Shut up, **** off and get killing more macks !!!!!! |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
38
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
Conflict = growth, this is truth. Goons plan Vs CCP is conflict, so should in theory work out. TBH its better than just watching Eve become a business venture for the rmt nation anyway, so win either way. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
78
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:46:00 -
[71] - Quote
What goons do or say is irrelevant , they act like spoiled teenagers with a attitude problem , what they don't realise is that they own and rule nothing but a virtual realm that will end as soon someone switches off the electricity
Most of them are nothing but a bunch of idiots who hide behind the reputation of their alliance and follow blindly ,without thinking, their leaders ( thinking for themselves might hurt them too much) ,
It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known
As another poster mentioned they became part of what they set out to destroy
Sometimes i compare them to the Ferengi of the star trek universe.. loudmouthed, mostly a nuisance but otherwise harmless
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 08:50:00 -
[72] - Quote
pussnheels wrote:
Most of them are nothing but a bunch of idiots who hide behind the reputation of their alliance and follow blindly ,without thinking, their leaders ( thinking for themselves might hurt them too much)
Dude, you just described 99% of 0.0 population. Goons at least become boring only after a while. |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 09:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
pussnheels wrote:What goons do or say is irrelevant
See, and this is where you're wrong.
Quote:they act like spoiled teenagers with a attitude problem , what they don't realise is that they own and rule nothing but a virtual realm that will end as soon someone switches off the electricity
So far, the miners have expressed much more rage at losing virtual spacerocks that won't exist anymore as soon as someone switches off the electricity.
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Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 09:09:00 -
[74] - Quote
pussnheels wrote: It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known.
I am not sure it is only the leaders but I basically agree with this assessment.
Nullsec is under the control of a small band of egomaniac warlords who love nothing but to fight.
Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit. If EvE was a game in which fighting was conducted by dishevelled barbarians on horseback clad in animal skins and wielding bows and arrows, it would be absolutely fine.
However, I cannot help finding it odd to have that sort of mentality while we are piloting spaceships. I do not believe a space-based society could survive long with that kind of mentality. As a result, the whole thing becomes quite surreal and, yes, eventually boring.
|
Vio Geraci
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 09:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:pussnheels wrote: It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known. I am not sure it is only the leaders but I basically agree with this assessment. Nullsec is under the control of a small band of egomaniac warlords who love nothing but to fight. Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit.
A big part of the reason that our immersion-breaking society still exists is that every single person that cares about immersion is terrible at playing this game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
100
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 10:59:00 -
[76] - Quote
Vio Geraci wrote:A big part of the reason that our immersion-breaking society still exists is that every single person that cares about immersion is terrible at playing this game.
...and burns out within a few months of starting out. |
meatsaw
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 11:21:00 -
[77] - Quote
Xikulis wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Posting to confirm this is the first CSM that has had any Goons on it.
One Goon to RULE them ALL!
Delve precioussssssssssssssssssssssss! |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
87
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 12:10:00 -
[78] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit. If EvE was a game in which fighting was conducted by dishevelled barbarians on horseback clad in animal skins and wielding bows and arrows, it would be absolutely fine.
it's not so different from the way the NPC empires behave lore-wise...
|
AmberIynn
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 12:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
Goons saving EVE? All they care about is ruining it so they can find another game to troll once they've destroyed this one. |
Alice Saki
Ducklings
2
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 12:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
Pure Utter Chaos I bloody love it. |
Elyssa MacLeod
GloboTech Industries
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 13:10:00 -
[81] - Quote
if you cant beat em.... join em. Who does one talk to to get recruited lol
**** FiS
Its Called EVE |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
267
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 13:40:00 -
[82] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:if you cant beat em.... join em. Who does one talk to to get recruited lol
we have a number of recruiting officers, convo someone you see online in goonswarm and they should be able to point you to one thats online. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
10
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 14:24:00 -
[83] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Elyssa MacLeod wrote:if you cant beat em.... join em. Who does one talk to to get recruited lol we have a number of recruiting officers, convo someone you see online in goonswarm and they should be able to point you to one thats online.
And one more imbecile get scammed.
The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 14:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
Vio Geraci wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:pussnheels wrote: It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known. I am not sure it is only the leaders but I basically agree with this assessment. Nullsec is under the control of a small band of egomaniac warlords who love nothing but to fight. Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit. A big part of the reason that our immersion-breaking society still exists is that every single person that cares about immersion is terrible at playing this game.
So you are the kind of guy who would like to see EvE through a kind of air-traffic control screen with little symbols representing ships and dots and arrows for trajectories and weapons effects ? If immersion does not matter, why not get rid of all the annoying 3D graphics, the ship designs, the special effects and all that ? |
Cipher Jones
51
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 14:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Conflict = growth, this is truth. Goons plan Vs CCP is conflict, so should in theory work out. TBH its better than just watching Eve become a business venture for the rmt nation anyway, so win either way.
The current fiasco is greatly benefiting RMT'ers, it a loss for CCP.
Ergo I can understand why many people see it as a win.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 14:59:00 -
[86] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Vio Geraci wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:pussnheels wrote: It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known. I am not sure it is only the leaders but I basically agree with this assessment. Nullsec is under the control of a small band of egomaniac warlords who love nothing but to fight. Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit. A big part of the reason that our immersion-breaking society still exists is that every single person that cares about immersion is terrible at playing this game. So you are the kind of guy who would like to see EvE through a kind of air-traffic control screen with little symbols representing ships and dots and arrows for trajectories and weapons effects ? If immersion does not matter, why not get rid of all the annoying 3D graphics, the ship designs, the special effects and all that ?
You mean zooming out and turning off effects?
all eve is is little purple and orange/red boxes |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 15:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Vio Geraci wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:pussnheels wrote: It is their leadership that worries me the most, egocentric and ooh so selfish , bunch of people i ever known. I am not sure it is only the leaders but I basically agree with this assessment. Nullsec is under the control of a small band of egomaniac warlords who love nothing but to fight. Is that a problem ? I believe it breaks immersion a bit. A big part of the reason that our immersion-breaking society still exists is that every single person that cares about immersion is terrible at playing this game. So you are the kind of guy who would like to see EvE through a kind of air-traffic control screen with little symbols representing ships and dots and arrows for trajectories and weapons effects ? If immersion does not matter, why not get rid of all the annoying 3D graphics, the ship designs, the special effects and all that ? You mean zooming out and turning off effects? all eve is is little purple and orange/red boxes
If everyone agreed to that, EvE online would be a very cheap game indeed for CCP to develop and maintain.
But what about all those new players who are drawn to EvE precisely because of the exceptional 3D graphics ? Unfortunately, these are precisely the ones who pay the bulk of the subscription revenue CCP needs to stay alive ... Those annoying pubbies !
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 15:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:
Unfortunately, these are precisely the ones who pay the bulk of the subscription revenue CCP needs to develop WoD ... Those annoying pubbies !
ftfy |
stoicfaux
263
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 15:20:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
all eve is is little purple and orange/red boxes
Yes, but in the Future!:
all eve will be is little purple and orange/red boxes of fashionably dressed avatars walking in stations.
(And my video card will still try to overheat.)
|
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
33
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 15:25:00 -
[90] - Quote
in the future eve will still be squares - oh and a brown metal door of course. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 16:06:00 -
[91] - Quote
"The tighter you clinch your fist the more systems will slip through your fingers."
- May the Schwartz be with you! |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 16:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
GoonWaffe .... Is it based on "Lufwaffe" ? or maybe "Waffen SS" ?
Heil Goon !
Der pubbie ist ein UNTERMENSCH ! |
Trusty Jutspezic
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
Why are you so racist against Germans. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:23:00 -
[94] - Quote
Trusty Jutspezic wrote:Why are you so racist against Germans.
nice ...
I just hope there are not too many jews working as devs for CCP. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
20
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:24:00 -
[95] - Quote
But if you got rid of all the idiots and whiney bitches in this game then there would be no one left
let them do what they want. it wont affect anything in this game |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
81
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:38:00 -
[96] - Quote
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
CCP has banned 10,000 members for Botting in one go.
If it came down to it CCP could wipe out GSF in a heart beat.
And the funny part is they don't even need to have a reason to do it.
For that matter CCP could reset all of 0.0 just as quickly.
Personally though if I was CCP and felt it was time for a 0.0 reset.
I would let loose the dog's of war.
ie - CCP in there special ships going from system to system destroying everything in there path.
It would be a ton of fun "RUN FOREST RUN"
PS - I would like to volunteer for this if it ever happens.
Just hand me the ship and skills and I will kill anything you want me too
Capitals (Balancing and Roles) |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
277
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:55:00 -
[97] - Quote
Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Trusty Jutspezic wrote:Why are you so racist against Germans. nice ... I just hope there are not too many jews working as devs for CCP.
I've never seen anybody work so hard for a forum ban.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ana Vyr
65
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 17:57:00 -
[98] - Quote
Goons try to break every game they get involved with. Nothing new about that at all. Because EvE is a sandbox type game, they can take their agenda to a greater extent than they could with some of the themepark games. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 18:10:00 -
[99] - Quote
Ladie Scarlet wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Trusty Jutspezic wrote:Why are you so racist against Germans. nice ... I just hope there are not too many jews working as devs for CCP. I've never seen anybody work so hard for a forum ban.
Playing around with n.a.z.i-inspired symbols is ok but pointing it out is not ?
Strange .... |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
14
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 18:10:00 -
[100] - Quote
Mistake ... |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
9
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 18:24:00 -
[101] - Quote
Ingvar Angst wrote:http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328490/EVE-Online-The-Jesters-Lament.html Most interesting read, can't judge how factual it is though. However, it appears that there's a long term goal to push Eve to a point of stagnation in order to break it badly enough that CCP will have no choice but to fix it, or let it die. Quote:In truth, the end result of all of this pairing off and conquering is a goal which has been conjured by the CSM. A statement of absolute meaning to CCP: Fix EVE. Fix EVE fast or we'll stagnate the game to the point where there'll be no wars, no need to fight and no need to play. It's a vicious message, a brutal message and it should, hopefully, be significant.
But there is profit to be made here. Money for the man with a keen eye. Control of all of null-sec under a large coalition allows certain resources to be controlled outright. Embargoes on resources result in hi-sec and low-sec being starved of crucial materials needed to build ships and continue the cycle of production and destruction that keeps the EVE Online economy functioning. You see this? This is why they suddenly are so concerned about mythical "daytrippers" mining ABC in wormholes and want ABC removed from them. This is why they want ice removed from high sec. Small wheels in a long term plan, not to benefit Eve, at least in the short run, but to push their agenda. The real question is... these are Goons. Are they really ultimately trying to save Eve, or is this the ultimate Goon Eve agenda... to bring it all crashing down and laugh as they transfer to their next MMO victim?
I was suspecting this was the case.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 18:53:00 -
[102] - Quote
Not even your orcas are safe:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/585462
Boys, grab your harpoons, we are going WHALING!!! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 18:58:00 -
[103] - Quote
I feel the need to stroke my ego and say that I scouted that bastard out |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
280
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 19:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:
I was suspecting this was the case.
You're so perceptive.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
111
|
Posted - 2011.10.05 22:58:00 -
[105] - Quote
that's all i got from this post
~hazed~ |
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