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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:43:00 -
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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/328490/EVE-Online-The-Jesters-Lament.html
Most interesting read, can't judge how factual it is though. However, it appears that there's a long term goal to push Eve to a point of stagnation in order to break it badly enough that CCP will have no choice but to fix it, or let it die.
Quote:In truth, the end result of all of this pairing off and conquering is a goal which has been conjured by the CSM. A statement of absolute meaning to CCP: Fix EVE. Fix EVE fast or we'll stagnate the game to the point where there'll be no wars, no need to fight and no need to play. It's a vicious message, a brutal message and it should, hopefully, be significant.
But there is profit to be made here. Money for the man with a keen eye. Control of all of null-sec under a large coalition allows certain resources to be controlled outright. Embargoes on resources result in hi-sec and low-sec being starved of crucial materials needed to build ships and continue the cycle of production and destruction that keeps the EVE Online economy functioning.
You see this? This is why they suddenly are so concerned about mythical "daytrippers" mining ABC in wormholes and want ABC removed from them. This is why they want ice removed from high sec.
Small wheels in a long term plan, not to benefit Eve, at least in the short run, but to push their agenda. The real question is... these are Goons. Are they really ultimately trying to save Eve, or is this the ultimate Goon Eve agenda... to bring it all crashing down and laugh as they transfer to their next MMO victim?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:44:00 -
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Same with military training. You need to break them down in order to build them up. |
Abrazzar
143
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:47:00 -
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All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:49:00 -
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We should start an embargo on tinfoil. We would literally be shitting ISK right now. |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:52:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious.
Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
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Flakey Foont
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:54:00 -
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Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
Please substantiate this or is it just another "my friend has a brother. who knows..." statement? |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:56:00 -
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0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit |
stoicfaux
256
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:56:00 -
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Yeah, but in theory, CCP's quick fix to any such embargoed resources is to add the resources to high-sec or to buff resource gathering ships. Meaning, the level of effort needed to control null-sec doesn't mean much if CCP can counter by simply tweaking a few database entries.
If you want to "force" CCP to do something, then go after subs and hit CCP in the pocket book.
P.S. Generic tinfoil isn't worth the money. Use the name-brand stuff instead. IME/IMHO.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:57:00 -
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Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now?
They did that even before any Goons worked for them. Its kind of their SOP. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
87
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:58:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:Josefius wrote:Abrazzar wrote:All they want is attention. And since they got themselves in the CSM, they got real gluttons for it.
Nothing to be taken serious. Quite a few work at CCP and in high positions for game direction etc. So CCP trolls itself now? Please substantiate this or is it just another "my friend has a brother. who knows..." statement?
Soundwave (Stoffer Ninjapirate) and Sreegs (Darius JOHNSON) are ex-Goons.
(is being an ex-Goon like being an ex-murderer?)
No secret there. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:58:00 -
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They have two choices, burn it all to the ground (much more entertaining I must say) or conquer and/or establish a game wide win where no one is left with anything to do but sit idly by and pray CCP breaks the stalemate.
The former option, one that is near and dear to my heart as the plan I would go for given the opportunity, is not possible in today's EVE because not enough people would agree to it.
The latter, can be foisted upon the player base by anyone with enough clout and power. What is stopping them? If they do not do it, DRF will.
I say let them, we can all both hate and cherish the fact that they are on the one hand attempting to willfully ruin the game for the rest of us and on the other hand calling CCP's bluff on whether or not CCP will wake up and smell the coffee before it's too little too late.
I know I for one, rather dislike the idea of being on the receiving end of what may or may not be their grand design, but the game will indeed be better for it, if the plan succeeds. If they fail, the game goes down with them and they have made a new name for themselves in a most bombastic way.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
149
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:02:00 -
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Plus Goons are only out to ruin YOUR game. From the sounds of it they are having a blast playing. |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
18
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:02:00 -
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If they are using game mechanics to do this then by all means take it to the moon. It will be an interesting ride for sure.
Slade
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:03:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit
If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon?
Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:06:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
embargoing abc would be a pain in the ass
we simply embargo technetium, where we can easily check who owns what moon, and suddenly you can't make t2 ships (even after a tech nerf), or we embargo prom, or whatever is easiest to monitor
ice is much easier to control, it also has limited chokepoints that can be easily monitored |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
87
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:07:00 -
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not what goons do will kill eve; it's how people react to goons doing it. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:08:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination...
Exactly, given enough clout and power I would make the same decisions as they may or may not be making, what with the general state of the game and all, it could not really do more than accelerate whatever is going to happen anyways, and I for one have waited two years since Dominion for CCP to at least address the issues they introduced.
I neither would wish POS spamming back onto players nor desire for the current trend to continue... which leaves two options, destroy everything I can get my hands on, or just simply stop participating in the grand space opera, convince (or force in this case) as many others as I can to do exactly the same, and sit and wait for CCP to crap a brick, pull all the stops, and finally do something legitimate and tangible about it.
Stoic is right though, it would have to be excessively drastic and effectual (in this case he argues that it is not) for CCP to take action, otherwise the only real way to get their attention is through subscriptions.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Controlled Chaos
14
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:10:00 -
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So the Goons are crashing the production of POS and cap fuel, and driving the T2 prices through the roof?
Well, that means no more POS-bashing, no more supercaps online, no more Zealot/Guardian fleets. Still can't see the downside.
I, for one, look forward to roaming around in named-fit Ruptures. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
10
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:10:00 -
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ugh |
Gealbhan
32
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:21:00 -
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Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP? |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
21
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:23:00 -
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Tbh it's a great storyline and kudos for pulling it off.
Uniting highsec-ppl to fight against that will be quite hard,
because when threats arise, most ppl tend to ignore/try to defend/give up,
instead of fighting against the enemy.
Sheep ... just kill them all.
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:24:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Weaselior wrote:0.0 embargos moon minerals not ABC ore for this plan you nitwit If they gained full control of ABC and ice, why stop at the moon? Slade's dead on though... it's impossible to not sit back and stare in morbid fascination... embargoing abc would be a pain in the ass we simply embargo technetium, where we can easily check who owns what moon, and suddenly you can't make t2 ships (even after a tech nerf), or we embargo prom, or whatever is easiest to monitor ice is much easier to control, it also has limited chokepoints that can be easily monitored
I can see your point, thank you.
I have to admit... this has the potential to be fascinating. Can it really be pulled off? Are you all really going to try?
I need popcorn.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:24:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP?
Did someone spike your punch or something? 
Goons can use game mechanics to any means they want, if CCP does not like it, they will simply change the game mechanics.
Goons are already very familiar with this fact, and if this is what they really want to do, they are likely counting on CCP to do just that.
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
63
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:29:00 -
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This is to be expected. Given a sandbox game where any size power bloc can be created, and used to whatever ends desired, entities such as Goonswarm were bound to form and have their lulz. Nothing here to be all that alarmed about.
I do think its ironic though, that by declaring Eve as being full of "rampant stagnation" and going on an all out campaign to embargo resources, attack highsec, and invade Delve, they are creating quite the firestorm of activity, giving many players some much needed excitement and / or something to do.
How one promotes stagnation by engaging in the very large-scale conflicts they say are dwindling, is a little beyond my understanding. But I'm just an armchair observer, I just gather bits and pieces from news articles, forum chatter, and the occasional pompous Mittani tweet. Maybe someone in GSF can better explain how you further stagnate a "stagnating" game by kickstarting a combined military push and market manipulation scheme across Empire while simultaneously reclaiming some hotly contested territory. What happened to Mittani's statement that nullsec resources weren't worth the hassle of claiming and holding Sov?
This is why I stay out of such things and just stick to my corner of the universe.... |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
71
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:32:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
How one promotes stagnation by engaging in the very large-scale conflicts they say are dwindling, is a little beyond my understanding. ....
When/if they control all of null there won't be any combat to be had. Stagnation.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Gealbhan
32
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:33:00 -
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Mendolus wrote:Gealbhan wrote:Disband the CSM, ban the rebel leaders.
Problem solved.
It seems some people think they can fight CCP with the gloves off. I wonder how much CCP is going to flex an iron fist to prove otherwise.
The way I see it they got two choices, kneel to the rebels or nuke 'em.
This is CCP's game afterall, it says so in your contract. These actions could be seen as a violation of said contract and could be a very fair and legal grounds for a perma I.P. ban.
By all means start wars, turn entire systems insideout but do it the right way as in not broadcasting you're trying to wreck the game as a whole. Right now that line is getting obscured.
What's going on is a minority is starting to make a negative impact on the game, they do this because they have people in the CSM. I kind of figured the CSM would breed contempt for the rules as the saying goes "power corrupts".
CCP showed weakness over some issues in the past now select players think they can abuse that fact.
The question is then: How far are you willing to push CCP? Did someone spike your punch or something? Goons can use game mechanics to any means they want, if CCP does not like it, they will simply change the game mechanics. Goons are already very familiar with this fact, and if this is what they really want to do, they are likely counting on CCP to do just that.
Actually stomach bug and 2h sleep in the last 36. I wouldn't mind a heavily spiked drink lol.
I'm serious though, select CSM members are getting to cocky for their own good & the good of the game. |
Prince Kobol
49
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:39:00 -
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Was going to type out a reply about how CCP are gutless otherwise most null sec alliances would have been ripped apart by having large numbers of their players banned for Booting / RMT but then realised I don't care.
Its a game.
Goons + friends win = Dead Eve
Goons + friends fail = Eve carries on as normal.
Either way , who gives a ****. |
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:40:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:
Actually stomach bug and 2h sleep in the last 36. I wouldn't mind a heavily spiked drink lol.
I'm serious though, select CSM members are getting to cocky for their own good & the good of the game.
Ugh, I've had serious cases of norovirus like three times in the past ten years and it nearly landed me in the ER twice, hope you get well soon Geal!
But I mean, yes, they are probably enjoying themselves to a degree for sure. But whether they are going beyond the EULA by claiming they want to monopolize the entire game just to cause CCP to address the issues they feel need addressing... well... CCP cannot really ban people for playing the game, can they?
...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie. |
Lakshmii
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
25
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:44:00 -
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I think it'd be cool if all or at least most of high sec united to take on the DCF to free the monopolized resources. It would make for a hell of a story! Unfortunately, I think most folk would rather roll over and die (no longer log in). Their own fault if they don't want to fight the good fight!
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
73
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:47:00 -
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Lakshmii wrote:I think it'd be cool if all or at least most of high sec united to take on the DCF to free the monopolized resources. It would make for a hell of a story! Unfortunately, I think most folk would rather roll over and die (no longer log in). Their own fault if they don't want to fight the good fight!
When you consider who has the supers and who doesn't... makes it a little more challenging than most people are willing to accept.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
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