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Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.24 20:05:00 -
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Before you all start in on me. I recently got a videocard. Before that my video drivers would lock up even from a basic level one mission. So i couldn't mission and even mining sometimes would make my vid-driver start screaming in pain.
So my skills are scattered. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Misha_M'Liena Is my eveboard. *Hugs chribba for this* But i have a bunch of stuff in que to try to get more certificates, so Tau Cabanarer won't scream certs at me too much.
Please help. I will start level 1 missions and various things to get back into the eve i could never experience till now.
Thanks Misha.
Not as innocent as she appears.
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.25 03:18:00 -
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What I see:
You have all kinds of skills, for all kinds of races. A good selection actually.
What YOU NEED is a focus. We can't pick it for you, you need to find something you think is fun or cool and train for it for awhile.
Could be race specific. (Minmatar, Amarr, etc.)
Could be hull size specific. (BC, Cruiser, etc.)
Could be weapons specific. (Guns, Missiles, Drones)
Could be ISK specific (Missions, Mining, Manufacturing, etc.
When you select one of those, you might buy the corresponding shield or armor comp skills. Other than that, you dont need MORE skills, just train the ones you already own for awhile.
Congrats on the vid card. EVE needs/deserves good graphics.
Consider joining a newb friendly corp. It always helps to have people that are doing the same activities as you. |
Inkarr Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.25 03:34:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:What I see:
You have all kinds of skills, for all kinds of races. A good selection actually.
What YOU NEED is a focus. We can't pick it for you, you need to find something you think is fun or cool and train for it for awhile.
Could be race specific. (Minmatar, Amarr, etc.)
Could be hull size specific. (BC, Cruiser, etc.)
Could be weapons specific. (Guns, Missiles, Drones)
Could be ISK specific (Missions, Mining, Manufacturing, etc.
When you select one of those, you might buy the corresponding shield or armor comp skills. Other than that, you dont need MORE skills, just train the ones you already own for awhile.
Congrats on the vid card. EVE needs/deserves good graphics.
Consider joining a newb friendly corp. It always helps to have people that are doing the same activities as you.
Once you've followed this advice (and since you want to do combat) I feel you will want to consider a Per / Int remap so that you can have quick training times on your core skills (almost all rely on int) and your weapons and ship commands skills (Per). |
Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.25 11:40:00 -
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Well i missed that , oops my bad. I'll start with a focus of missions and maybe even tutorials to actually enjoy eve, yes i do like mining. But that was the only thing i could do. So missions/enjoying eve short term goal. Long terms are in no order are flying compentently a battleship, Having all 4 races frigs/cruisers/bs's/carriers at 5/being a compentent fc. And everything else on the way. Those are my lonnnng term goals. *hugs tau fer the heck of it*
Misha
Ps. Ty Inkarr and Raven *hugs*
Not as innocent as she appears.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:49:00 -
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Biomass char, make new one. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:26:00 -
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Misha M'Liena wrote:Please help. I will start level 1 missions and various things to get back into the eve i could never experience till now.
Train frigate (pick a specific race) 4. Train small weapons (for that race's frigates) to 3 or 4 for basically everything relevant. Train destroyers to 4 or so. Train defenses (armor or shield, pick one, probably based on your racial pick) and supporting skills all to 3 or 4.
That'll let you handle any level 1 or level 2 mission in the game. That said, prepare to blow up a lot, initially, while you're learning to use all of the ships and equipment involved. |
Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:25:00 -
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Thank you lost. :) And to demolisher, if i was a couple million sp char i probaly woulld. But as Mishas been around for awhile and pushing 6 mill. I'll hang onto her for a few more years. 
Not as innocent as she appears.
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Misha M'Liena
Rainbow Waffe
1047
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Posted - 2012.12.03 12:01:00 -
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Ok currently training drone interfacing 4 to get at sentries, Then my plan is to get the mechanics/engineering/science/nav/warp tp 5 as they all are 4. Will probaly get gall cruiser to 3 as well. Then train the skills that fit under my curret attrib mapping.
Misha.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
^_^ All your Alice Saki's belong to me. ^_^Gäó
*Nom* with your main. Gäó |
Vartan Sarkisian
Inner Visions
Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.12.11 16:46:00 -
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I think the hardest part is sticking to the skill plan, especially when the training times increase and there is that oh so shiny but totally unconnected skill that you really want.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Misha M'Liena
Rainbow Waffe
1515
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:55:00 -
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Well i adjusted my plan But i have a question. Is a guardian the best logi? Or will be it ok with shield or only Armor?
Or do i need to train a different logi for shield?
Energy Systems Operation IV
Energy Systems Operation V
Energy Management IV
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Electronics Upgrades IV
Electronics Upgrades V
Amarr Cruiser V
Signature Analysis IV
Signature Analysis V
Long Range Targeting IV
Long Range Targeting V
Logistics I
Weapon Upgrades IV
Targeting V
Multitasking I
Hull Upgrades IV
Shield Management IV
Repair Systems IV
Shield Emission Systems III
Shield Emission Systems IV
Energy Emission Systems III
Energy Emission Systems IV
Remote Armor Repair Systems II
Remote Armor Repair Systems III
Remote Armor Repair Systems IV
Shield Operation IV
Shield Operation V
Shield Upgrades IV
Shield Compensation III
Training up to get logi skill first then the support skills. Is this a good idea?
Misha.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Zoe Kaltana
Kaltana Industries
540
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:01:00 -
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Well, principally everything goes, but the guardian has it's strength (hp/res/lows) definitly in armor.
I would suggest a scimitar as it's well balanced with a little hang to shields and altogether 2 more low/med slots.
But that would mean you have to stick to minmatar ships for a while, since the lvl5s eat lot of skill time.
May I ask what you plan to do with the logi? :)
All your Lienas & Sakis belong to meGäó
My corp is my mainGäó |
Misha M'Liena
Rainbow Waffe
1525
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:09:00 -
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Tp rep your ships Zoe. And others. And i figure probaly wrongly if i specialize in logi i'll be a much sought after commidity then , oh look another missionrunner noob.
Misha.
Ps. *hugs Zoe*
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:46:00 -
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Misha M'Liena wrote:Tp rep your ships Zoe. And others. And i figure probaly wrongly if i specialize in logi i'll be a much sought after commidity then , oh look another missionrunner noob.
Misha.
Ps. *hugs Zoe*
that. is exactly why I trained logi. yes yes yes
all I'm supporting is the Basilisk with this post, because it is what I know. the other logistics should still be considered.
http://i.imgur.com/xQhff.jpg
what I love about the basilisk and its bonuses to cap transfer and shield transport is the flat out ability to break the law of conservation of energy "energy may neither be created nor destroyed." No, actually, the basilisk creates energy. about six times what you put into it, and out to 81km.
not all is great with the basilisk however, or this fit, and it's best used in a chain with 1 other logi or another ship that can provide it 2 large cap transfers. with that, though, it can run everything including its own booster full-time.
It doesn't have bonuses to armor repair, but, it can power a ship that has local reps. so there's still some viability. ...useful for flying with megathrons that only need 1 cap transfer to be a complete ship. shield transporters have higher fitting requirements, so going full cap logi is always an option.
I'm very caldari, and i'm working on that. all I've seen with other races' logi is the guardian, which can perform cap stable shield transfers without a cap transfer chain. |
Zoe Kaltana
Kaltana Industries
565
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:15:00 -
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I can only agree to Rains post. The Basilisk seems to be the best "specialist" in ranged shield & cap transfer.
Just saw, that the minmatar and gallente logis don't give range bonis on energy transfer (tracking link instead),
so i would not train them in the first place. ;)
So in short:
If you want to help shield tankers, train the Basilisk.
If you want to help armor tankers, train the Guardian.
I would train the Basilisk first, because shield tankers have much more problems in keeping their energy cap stable
(and are the more common variant imo). ^-^
A good armor tanker is already cap stable, but has more problems to keep his hp, so the gallentean logi with armor rep & tracking link would be interesting here....but I think this goes to far for now. *g*
Train the Basilisk. ^-^
Zoe
PS: *hugs Misha*
All your Lienas & Sakis belong to meGäó
My corp is my mainGäó |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:41:00 -
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oh, but maybe make sure you have the spaceship command skills for the changeover done first
http://i.imgur.com/vfSwg.png you still have time, even without a remap (don't remap for it lol) |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.24 00:58:00 -
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hey, also... falcons
caldari cruiser, lights cynos and jams
rook is the non-covert ops version... slightly tankier, bonus to heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles.
if you're going to train the basilisk, and you look forward to people asking for your ships for support, falcons/rooks are also requested..
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I forgot to mention that the Tech 1 variants of the basilisk and falcon (osprey and blackbird) have similar bonuses to the T2 versions... you'll be in support roles more quickly with the T1 versions. and they're cheaper.
here's a T1 Osprey logi I fitted up for a suicide roam: http://i.imgur.com/FFOM3.jpg <--less than 10mil for the ship and fittings
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2152
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:31:00 -
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Currently have 9 days 13 hours-ish left on amarr cruiser 5, Then i'll start on i guess weapon skills maybe go for t 2 stuff.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Mizhir
Red Federation
4068
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:45:00 -
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Getting Logi V is a wise choice. Even with the new t1 logi cruisers there is still a high demand on pilots who can fly the t2 logis well. Both for PVP, where many big nullsec alliances and pvp corps often needs ppl to fly logis, and for PVE like Incursions.
Logis were the first t2 ships I could fly and I trained logi to V right away. The majority of the ISK I have is earned from incursions. It is in my opinion the most fun way to earn isk since it is group based, and getting Logi V is a easy way into the incursion community.
Edit: If in doubt, train support skills. They are always useful for a wide range of ships.
The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Mizhir
Red Federation
4068
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:58:00 -
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Zoe Kaltana wrote:I can only agree to Rains post. The Basilisk seems to be the best "specialist" in ranged shield & cap transfer.
Just saw, that the minmatar and gallente logis don't give range bonis on energy transfer (tracking link instead),
so i would not train them in the first place. ;)
So in short:
If you want to help shield tankers, train the Basilisk.
If you want to help armor tankers, train the Guardian.
I would train the Basilisk first, because shield tankers have much more problems in keeping their energy cap stable
(and are the more common variant imo). ^-^
A good armor tanker is already cap stable, but has more problems to keep his hp, so the gallentean logi with armor rep & tracking link would be interesting here....but I think this goes to far for now. *g*
Train the Basilisk. ^-^
Zoe
PS: *hugs Misha*
I disagree. All 4 logis are very good and useful for each of their roles. The cap chaining ones (Guardian and Basi) uses the capchain to run while the self supplying ones (Oni and Scimi) relies on their own regen and thus dont need any cap transfers.
For general PVE the Basi and Guardian tends to pull ahead since the cap chain makes it easy to make them stable while offering utility (in form of cap transfers) for the dps ships. Any cap hungry laser ship will apreciate it :)
However the Oni (cant remember the full name of the gallente one) and Scimi shouldn't be underestimated for PVE. Any decent incursion fleet would have a good split between the cap chaining logis and the self stable logis. An incursion scimi can often fit 2 shadow serp. tracking links, which will be a great boost for your friends in faction BSs.
From PVP perspective the Basi is rarely used. It is too slow and got a too big sig. So for shield fleets the scimi is the king. They rarely make use of the TL bonus though. PVP Scimis use their mobility to keep distance to enemy DPS which is their way to mitigate most dmg. So they do often have MWD fitted.
Guardians and Onis are both great ships for armor fleets. The Guardians rely on their low sig, good resists and AB to tank incomming dmg. They can be fit with 5/1 layout (5 reppers and 1 energy transfer) to maximize repping power or they can be fit with a 4/2 layout which greatly increases their resistance to neuts and allows them to feed energy to their cap hungry laser friends. The Oni is more like the scimi. Its fast and uses its mobility to defend itself. Generally the guardian is used for big fleets while the oni is better for smaller skirmishing gangs.
The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2362
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:47:00 -
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Well i am training amarr cruis to get to the guardian, It didn't dawn on me till i was 1/2 thru it that i didn't remap first  ..So now i can work on the fun stuff.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Mizhir
Red Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:38:00 -
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Misha M'Liena wrote:Well i am training amarr cruis to get to the guardian, It didn't dawn on me till i was 1/2 thru it that i didn't remap first ..So now i can work on the fun stuff.
So you are in a P/W remap now?
Before you can use your guardian effectively, you need to get your support skills up too. So you kinda made a mistake to lock yourself into the P/W remap.
The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2373
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Posted - 2013.02.09 17:52:00 -
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Well i figured the time i saved by the remap would offset the guardian support skills. Course wouldn't be the first time i've been wrong.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Mizhir
Red Federation
4132
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:15:00 -
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The best choice would be to first train the support skills and then remap so you can train Amarr cruiser V + Logi V. If you intend to keep training P/W skill afterward.
The benefit you get from a remap is small compared to the downside when you train skills that use different attributes. So when you do a remap make sure you have a longterm plan otherwise you just end up wasting it.
I have done my share of mistakes as well, so I guess everyone else does it too.
The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2391
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Posted - 2013.02.10 11:34:00 -
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Well my thought was in between training logi i would be able inject t3 in there as well. But Logi will be primary focus with t3 secondary, I'd rather be a good logi pilot then a ****-poor t3 pilot.
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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Mizhir
Red Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 15:23:00 -
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What do you need t3 for?
Anyways, just for your info. The Engineering, Electronics and propulsion sub systems requires I and M as attributes. So they wouldn't benefit from the P/W remap either.
The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
2614
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Posted - 2013.02.17 23:32:00 -
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Will the logistics skill affect the t1 crusisers and frigs or just the tradional ships like guardian?
Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó
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RavenPaine
raven alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.18 02:20:00 -
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The skill itself refers to 'Support Cruisers'. Then when I looked at the line up of support cruisers, each ship gives a 15% bonus per level of Logistics trained.
The frigate hulls didn't refer to the skill, so I think it only applies to Cruisers and Command ships. (Logi IV is a pre-req for some Command Ships)
I noticed in evemon, it applies to a special edition ship called the Etana. I never knew about that 1. (It's amazing!)
Also, at level V, it opens up the skill 'Tactical Logistcs Reconfiguration' which applies to Capital Carrier Fittings. (Triage Module) |
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