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LordHong
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:14:00 -
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apoc also rocks for npcing, which a raven isn't all that finacially viable for, and it sacrifices cargo space for ammo, whoch runs out just when ur getting started...
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:30:00 -
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Ravens own in small groups (like 2v2)
Ravens suck in fleets (anything bigger than 3v3)
Ravens own all small ships.
A few smartbombs can nullify a raven, but smartbombs are a complete waste of space when fighting anything other than a raven, and they are very hard to time when you get even a little bit of lag.
The bottom line is that a raven is still a great ship if you travel solo, or if you travel with only 1-2 friends. In a fleet they are good anti-tackler, or EW support, but mostly suck.
They need to be nerfed as far as owning all smaller ships goes, and they need to be boosted for fleets. Maybe someday CCP will learn how to code missle agility and then we can all be happy. But for now they still serve a purpose.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Kaeten
theres also another raven setup that pwns ANYTHING, a mwding raven that spams torps so they all hit at once meaning tanking is useless. Can you d othis with turruts? I think not...
A long range ship always looses to a short range ship when fighting at short range. A short range ship always looses to a long range ship when fighting at long range. So please stop with the comparison of gankgeddon vs. Raven.
A MWD raven is going to have a tough time catching an MWDing Tempest or Typhoon. When you do these comparisons please make sure they are fair.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:48:00 -
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I had meant to make a raven/scorp tackler using a thorax with a couple of smartbombs like you mention (and tracking disruptors as well for non missile boats so might have needed a 4 med slot ship instead). But then I left Black Omega so I didn't get into much pvp action, and then I lost interest completely in the game and fully regret paying for a year subscription back in february or whenever. me 4tw
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2005.04.27 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Black Lotus
Apoc vs 20 Ganka-ravens. Apoc would kill them all. Or any BS, or EVEN a ZEALOT.
Anyways, since i dont play much anymore, ill give out a secret that some know, but not very many at all..
1 medium t2 smartbomb can take out a torp.
2 medium t2 smartbombs, will take out every single incomiming missile.
And yes, u can easily strap one on ur ganka-zealot.
Anyways, i flew my raven alot, because i knew people didnt know this. but whenever i went up vs another raven, i never used my 800mill raven. Cause a 120mill fitted apoc, was more then enough and gauranteed win.
Anyways, have fun. Im sure raven prices will drop alot now. :P
Just FYI a med t2, compared to a large... lol, extremly low fitting, extremely low cap.
Raven pilots everywhere, beware, LOL. :P
shhh.... don't tell everyone. 
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.04.27 20:22:00 -
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Best of luck to your smartbomb defense against a raven at 500m.
And ravens are overpowered due to how much the current missile mechanics break inter-class balancing. And how good they are at PvE.
Until that is fixed, ravens cant be improved for PvP, and youre an idiot for not recognizing that.
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.04.27 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Best of luck to your smartbomb defense against a raven at 500m.
And ravens are overpowered due to how much the current missile mechanics break inter-class balancing. And how good they are at PvE.
Until that is fixed, ravens cant be improved for PvP, and youre an idiot for not recognizing that.
best a luck tankin the blasterthron at 500m
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.04.27 22:54:00 -
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all ships have a role they are good at. Raven is excellent for taking out enemy support...
I think looking at advantages of ships in 1 vs 1 combat is silly, its usually the setup that wins that kind of fight, not the ship.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.04.27 23:03:00 -
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At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls
Something with hitting the nail on the head.
This is The Truth (tm).
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.27 23:16:00 -
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i guess you never had to kill raven with fofs & 5x wcs... it really cannot kill a bs, but is nasty as hell.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.04.28 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
i guess you never had to kill raven with fofs & 5x wcs... it really cannot kill a bs, but is nasty as hell.
What's the difference between that and any random gunship full of cores?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Estarriol
Originally by: LUKEC
i guess you never had to kill raven with fofs & 5x wcs... it really cannot kill a bs, but is nasty as hell.
What's the difference between that and any random gunship full of cores?
A Gunships full of cores can't wtfpwn frigs and cruisers.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Estarriol
Originally by: LUKEC
i guess you never had to kill raven with fofs & 5x wcs... it really cannot kill a bs, but is nasty as hell.
What's the difference between that and any random gunship full of cores?
A Gunships full of cores can't wtfpwn frigs and cruisers.
Not true at all. Especially with the deluge of tracking-boosted, target painting snipers which are making their rounds these days.
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Fierce Deity
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
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At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls
Something with hitting the nail on the head.
This is The Truth (tm).
I'm glad other people are catching onto this. I had to argue with my corp for an hour about this and they still think ravens 4tw because they can bbq uber powerful npc spawns 
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IonHammer
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:20:00 -
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for those that dont have a long memory the raven used to be the king of pvp
when u could set it up with a good set of rails and seiges, u had instant damage with heavy damage on the way.
The Raven has been nerfed heavily already, removing or adjusting the missile damage or hit ratio on small targets will just nerf it more.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Best of luck to your smartbomb defense against a raven at 500m.
And ravens are overpowered due to how much the current missile mechanics break inter-class balancing. And how good they are at PvE.
Until that is fixed, ravens cant be improved for PvP, and youre an idiot for not recognizing that.
Thats the STUPIDEST arguement yet. Yea missile break inter-class balanacing, you can do WHAT YOU WANT To missile but I promise frigates will still die to me, Nos+Web is end all for them.
So because they are good at PVE they cant be better at PVP? what kind of stupid mindless arguement is that? They are not related. A raven sucks for PVE unless you have a good supply of torps/CMs which believe me, not everyone has.
Yes ravens ROCK up close, but they are still outclassed by a blasterthron when firing at each other at 500m and if a raven needs to be within 10km to kill a battleship before it dies itself I think everyone should be able to live with that while that 140km tempest caps the ravens ass. Just to be noted, I fly Ravens and Tempests and for PVP ill take my tempest over the raven anyway and I have high skills for both ships. At a range above 30km a raven will have a hard time killing a battleship before it dies.
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:31:00 -
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5x wcs 4tw... so you think that arma with 8 wcs will wtfpwn 5 intys? What about raven?... And who do you think would give better dmg to larger ships?
Arma with such number of stabs is just runner. Raven with that number of stabs can wtfpwn any frig/cruiser b4 escaping and can actually tank some.
C'mon... raven is ok, but torps/missiles aren't.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
5x wcs 4tw... so you think that arma with 8 wcs will wtfpwn 5 intys? What about raven?... And who do you think would give better dmg to larger ships?
Arma with such number of stabs is just runner. Raven with that number of stabs can wtfpwn any frig/cruiser b4 escaping and can actually tank some.
C'mon... raven is ok, but torps/missiles aren't.
who uses 5x wcs in a raven besides burn eden?
wcs are not very thought out module as they are. They should be given penalties for equipping them rather than just reduced CPU. You cant fit a good tank + siege launchers so youd be stuck to cruise missile launchers which do **** damage against a bs anyway. :/
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
5x wcs 4tw... so you think that arma with 8 wcs will wtfpwn 5 intys?
If it's fitted to kill inties? Quite possibly. If i'm wrong then fine, reduce it to 5 wcs, since Raven can't even fit 8.
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What about raven?... And who do you think would give better dmg to larger ships?
There are some cruisers which can tank a raven full of wcs with FoF missiles, no bcs, let alone "larger ships." Be sensible now. Neither one is going to do a lot to properly defended battleships.
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Arma with such number of stabs is just runner. Raven with that number of stabs can wtfpwn any frig/cruiser b4 escaping and can actually tank some.
Lock what, tank what with 5 stabs?
At least a gunship can keep warping in at endless longrange bms, try to pick off vulnerable frigs/cruisers with quicklock (it doesn't even take that many guns to kill a frig), and run away again. Probably without even a chance of said targets firing back on the gunship.
P. S., if you get locked/sniped by a gunship in your frigate, you have "no chance" to run unless he misses.
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C'mon... raven is ok, but torps/missiles aren't.
I just wish people would bring a little more actual experience to the discussion before getting all huffy.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Estarriol
I just wish people would bring a little more actual experience to the discussion before getting all huffy.
Couldnt agree more 
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.28 01:54:00 -
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if i can fit decent tank with 5x bcu, they can fit better tank with 5 wcs. (even xl-c5 booster, 3x hardeners(named), cap recharger(named), boost amp)... that fits with like 25cpu left
Ppl actually use setups like this, as they simply work good enough. WCS should get 'ballanced' deep down into nothingnes. Ships using them should not be able to pvp. Like 25% cap penalty for each, or weapons disabled or 100cpu/module... I don't mind if ppl use em on haulers, i understand why they are on scorps, but there are 2... but 5 on raven is just sick.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.28 02:06:00 -
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For what its worth, the argument about Ravens with FOF's being any good is invalid IMO.
You only need to bring a few light drones at the party to ruin the day for an FOF spamming Raven. Almost any cruiser/frig can do this.
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.28 02:10:00 -
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Saw a Black Lotus post and was like whoa. Never seen one of them before. Sucks you're going or not playing as much. Wish I could have flown with you more.
I ended up finding the "Smartbomb" thing from loosing a Typhoon. I had some stupid idea to make a "PhoonBomb" which obviously is all "Smartbombs". Started to notice the missiles not hitting me. Then I died to a blastertron :P
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Ryzolette
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Posted - 2005.04.28 02:21:00 -
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What if you jammed a raven so they had to switch to FoFs and then launch a ton of light drones?
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ryzolette
What if you jammed a raven so they had to switch to FoFs and then launch a ton of light drones?
That, my friend, results in one sitting duck. Its rather comical to see their reaction when you do that...
I used to do it a lot in my scorp before the EW patch. Unless the raven had stabs or made it to the gate (and tanked for the agression timer) he would eventually go down.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.28 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hyey
Originally by: LUKEC
5x wcs 4tw... so you think that arma with 8 wcs will wtfpwn 5 intys? What about raven?... And who do you think would give better dmg to larger ships?
Arma with such number of stabs is just runner. Raven with that number of stabs can wtfpwn any frig/cruiser b4 escaping and can actually tank some.
C'mon... raven is ok, but torps/missiles aren't.
who uses 5x wcs in a raven besides burn eden?
wcs are not very thought out module as they are. They should be given penalties for equipping them rather than just reduced CPU. You cant fit a good tank + siege launchers so youd be stuck to cruise missile launchers which do **** damage against a bs anyway. :/
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=2250
They dont need to do good damage vs bs if all they are setup for is frig and cruiser ganking. This**** had like 5 stabs and 4 sensor booster IIs on, would just instalock anything trying to tackle him and kill it w/ neuts and cruise and then warpout underfire from bs. He killed something like 5 tacklers trying to get him throughout the day, cause whenever any BS would engage him he would just safespot. We finally tricked him into jumping into sv5 and got 6 points on him.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.28 05:18:00 -
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Poor guy got raped by ravens and 1 tempest :P
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.28 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Poor guy got raped by ravens and 1 tempest :P
Yeah, he almost got away too cause i was the only one in 20km range and i only had 4 20kms on but luckily someone else mwded in range before he could warp.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.28 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
5x wcs 4tw... so you think that arma with 8 wcs will wtfpwn 5 intys? What about raven?... And who do you think would give better dmg to larger ships?
Arma with such number of stabs is just runner. Raven with that number of stabs can wtfpwn any frig/cruiser b4 escaping and can actually tank some.
C'mon... raven is ok, but torps/missiles aren't.
BTW I saw u die in a vid to a bunch of frigs in your raven
or it was someone else
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2005.04.28 08:09:00 -
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I am inclined to think that those who don't like Ravens are just **** at PvP...
Every ship has its advantages and dissadvantages - the Raven is an uber short range damage dealer. Mega at 140km with sniper setup would kick a Raven's arse and see its torps dissapear as it explodes.
Also, Kaeten can you please stop posting strings of 5 posts - its bloody iritating. Try using the 'Edit' button to add to the posts you've already done rather than posting 5 in a row...
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