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Black Lotus	Posted - 2005.04.27 11:54:00 - [1] Apoc vs 20 Ganka-ravens. Apoc would kill them all. Or any BS, or EVEN a ZEALOT. Anyways, since i dont play much anymore, ill give out a secret that some know, but not very many at all.. 1 medium t2 smartbomb can take out a torp. 2 medium t2 smartbombs, will take out every single incomiming missile. And yes, u can easily strap one on ur ganka-zealot. Anyways, i flew my raven alot, because i knew people didnt know this. but whenever i went up vs another raven, i never used my 800mill raven. Cause a 120mill fitted apoc, was more then enough and gauranteed win. Anyways, have fun. Im sure raven prices will drop alot now. :P Just FYI a med t2, compared to a large... lol, extremly low fitting, extremely low cap. Raven pilots everywhere, beware, LOL. :P
Black Lotus	Posted - 2005.04.27 11:55:00 - [2] Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf.
SirSpectre	Posted - 2005.04.27 11:57:00 - [3] Yes smartbombs can take out missles. but its pretty hard to get the timing down right. 20 ravens? HA HA HA!! Remember the reactivation time, i dont think they will all hit at the same time. you could take out 2 sure, anymore it gets very hard.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.04.27 11:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 11:58:50 Originally by: Black Lotus Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf. They need a nerf and a boost. At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls Death to the Galante
Black Lotus	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:00:00 - [5] Edited by: Black Lotus on 27/04/2005 12:12:00 Reactivation time is 8seconds. U pulse them at 4 sec each, and they have 4km range. LVL 5, 7.5second reactivation. Its very simple to take out every incoming torp. Yes people know smartbombs take out torps. but thats large. which are very hard to fit, and use tons of cap. ONE (1) medium t2 sb, can take out any torps in its radius.Four(4) km. Medium are a joke to fit, and a joke on cap. The t2 ones that is. My zealot can run the t2med sb, and allguns, with no cap problems. No cap devices installed.
Black Lotus	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 11:58:50 Originally by: Black Lotus Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf. They need a nerf and a boost. At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls Do u pvp? LOL. without smartbombs, a raven will pwn any bs 1v1. if the raven is setup with 5 ballistics, and a hardcore shield tank\med cap injector.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Black Lotus Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 11:58:50 Originally by: Black Lotus Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf. They need a nerf and a boost. At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls Do u pvp? LOL. without smartbombs, a raven will pwn any bs 1v1. if the raven is setup with 5 ballistics, and a hardcore shield tank\med cap injector. well best thing is just to ignore the raven and warp out when his torps getting closer and yeah, ravens are useless for most PvP, cause their torps are too slow for conzentrated fire, and their damage output if far behind other BS Wanna fly with me?
Jenstruant Fogg	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:17:00 - [8] Actually, a Raven vs a Gankageddon will normally result in the Raven being blown up before the second barrage of torps hit home. I don't have uber-shield skills (most lvl 3-4), but I do know that Raven's will die pretty easily, as long as you do more damage than they can repair
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:17:00 - [9] and in empire you get nicely killed by concord... and megathron kills his drones, etc, etc, etc.... try cruises... try blasters, try railguns, try ew... There is many, many things to do... now quit whining...
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Black Lotus without smartbombs, a raven will pwn any bs 1v1. if the raven is setup with 5 ballistics, and a hardcore shield tank\med cap injector. you just said ravens suck, now your saying they will pwn any bs 1v1.. Personally i think a apoc could easily out tank a "normal" 5 PDUII raven even while being nossed.. and if the gankaraven went up against a long-range damage setup, it would be dead befor its torps hit home. Death to the Galante
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Gariuys on 27/04/2005 12:45:46 Edited by: Gariuys on 27/04/2005 12:45:07 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Black Lotus Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 11:58:50 Originally by: Black Lotus Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf. They need a nerf and a boost. At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls Do u pvp? LOL. without smartbombs, a raven will pwn any bs 1v1. if the raven is setup with 5 ballistics, and a hardcore shield tank\med cap injector. well best thing is just to ignore the raven and warp out when his torps getting closer and yeah, ravens are useless for most PvP, cause their torps are too slow for conzentrated fire, and their damage output if far behind other BS Yes too your first, Not when using torps to your 2nd comment. With cruiser missiles it is indeed a bit lacking in dps. But a torping Raven is defintely scary when it comes to dps. And even more scary if it stacks those torps. And like you said, they need a boost as bad as they need a nerf. WISH PEOPLE WOULD GET THAT, INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT A SUPPOSED COMPLETE NERF OF RAVENS, it NEEDS a BOOST TOOOOO!!!!111ONEone!!111one!! argh... feel much better now, thx. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.04.27 12:44:00 - [12] We need a missile balance.. not just a straight forward nerf.
Roba	Posted - 2005.04.27 13:03:00 - [13] Yup... 2 arb rocket laucnhers on an apoc can stop 90% of a Ravens torps. Heck 1 Arb rocket launcher of a Prophacy or Sacralige can stop 90% of a Ravens torps... (for 20 sec, then 10 sec of no protection, reload time) With two rocket launchers you can stagger them 10 sec apart to make up for the reload time.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.04.27 13:17:00 - [14] so everyone here agree, rails to raven? i guess not...
Hotice	Posted - 2005.04.27 13:40:00 - [15] it is not about raven overpowered in pvp which it does vs small ships at close range. It is about raven being used in lvl 4 missions solo with ease. No other ships can match the speed of raven to clean up lvl 4 missions. Why? Because torp/missile hit everything from any distance. So, the missile change will most likely be focus on this area. smaller the ship and heavier the missile, it will do less damage or just miss if small ship is too close. In which part is a rather good change. As for pvp, raven is not the best fleet combat ship but in small fights, raven got better chance in winning if it is close to target. As for use smartbombs/defenders. Unless people gone out with pvp in mind, they don't really have those things installed. Things such as corp wars in empire space, you simply cannot use smartbombs or concord will have problem with you. Defender slows ship down greatly if fired in large number. That means if you want move, you cannot use it for too long.
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:11:00 - [16] Ravesn are overpowred in everything except one thing. LONG RANGE. Ravnes chew up close range ships and CAN do lvl4 missions with ease, so YES they do need adjusting. Black Lotus if you fight a ship at long range with a raven you can expect to die only idiots fire at range if they know their tarrget will stay still. If your alone make a bm, jump out and in again, repeat until you are close enough. Raven is overpowering and soes not suck in pvp but only in fleet fights. From what I read your just a lazy pvper that wants insta dmamage. Go train turruts if you want that. IMO ravens should be balanced so that they have as much difficulty at doing level 4 missions than everyother ship and that they cannot outdamamge close range ships. Make torps faster and do less damage and make it so that they don't hit 100%. Ravens have an advatage over close range ships too because they can fire up to 135km (something like that) and hit 100%. Ravens NEED BALANCING. I also agree they need to be abit more better at pvp (fleet fights). ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:12:00 - [17] I also forgot to mention that seiges do not use cap so that puts cap sucking ships out the question when it comes to pvp... ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Roba Yup... 2 arb rocket laucnhers on an apoc can stop 90% of a Ravens torps. Heck 1 Arb rocket launcher of a Prophacy or Sacralige can stop 90% of a Ravens torps... (for 20 sec, then 10 sec of no protection, reload time) With two rocket launchers you can stagger them 10 sec apart to make up for the reload time. So WE shoudl waste 2 high slots just to counter a raven ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Black Lotus Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 11:58:50 Originally by: Black Lotus Oh, maybe now people will quit whining bout ravens needing a nerf. They need a nerf and a boost. At the moment they are the ship to be in for lvl4 missions, but in PvP they suck monkeys balls Do u pvp? LOL. without smartbombs, a raven will pwn any bs 1v1. if the raven is setup with 5 ballistics, and a hardcore shield tank\med cap injector. err ok... you started a thread saying how bad the raven was a pvp now your saying the oppisite? yes a raven will pwn any bs without a smartbomb but why sould we wasta a high slot plus loads of cap just to counter a raven. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:16:00 - [20] theres also another raven setup that pwns ANYTHING, a mwding raven that spams torps so they all hit at once meaning tanking is useless. Can you d othis with turruts? I think not... ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Kaeten theres also another raven setup that pwns ANYTHING, a mwding raven that spams torps so they all hit at once meaning tanking is useless. Can you d othis with turruts? I think not... No but those smartbombs might help. ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Vee Bot Originally by: Kaeten theres also another raven setup that pwns ANYTHING, a mwding raven that spams torps so they all hit at once meaning tanking is useless. Can you d othis with turruts? I think not... No but those smartbombs might help. oo boy that sb would be a savior but then agian why should we sacrafice a high slot just to counter that when a raven dosent need anything to counter anything. ___________________________________ Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante Gallante
Vee Bot	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:37:00 - [23] TBH, you equip to counter the most likly ships you are to encounter, and these days it would seem that the ravens are quite popular. I have a few slots on my tempest i dont know what to do with, i'll sertinly consider tech II medium smarties if i think there'll be torp/missle spam. ------------------ (_8(\|) BEWARE. EBIL HOMER. IF SPOTTED CALL THIS NUMBER 0-800-I-C-HOMER
Grut	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:41:00 - [24] Ravens arnt overpowered their broken, and break other stuff Useless in fleet Insta murders support Uber for agent missions ok ish for 1v1s broken....... Mostly harmless
siim	Posted - 2005.04.27 14:49:00 - [25] Ravens aint that good only in close range and against weaker ships cuz apoc just is so much better than a raven
Black Lotus	Posted - 2005.04.27 15:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Black Lotus on 27/04/2005 15:11:58 Ok, whomever said a gankageddon, would pwn a raven w\ 5pdu2's. is right. But that person also didnt read about a PROPER raven pvp setup. Gankageddon, vs GankaRAVEN (5 ballistics) Geddon doesnt stand a chance. But if the geddon has a med t2 sb on.... half the torps are going pooof. For some of the people that dont understand the math, every 4 seconds u would have a pulse going out 4km. Torps move max velocity 1.2km. So u would have to be lucky as hell to get a torp thro 2 med sb2's. And one torp out of every volley, will do what? But for smaller fleet engagement, Raven is a powerful ship. Reason being, it can tank like hell (not for long, but it can tank hard and fast). And deal insane dmg. People fitting their ravens with pdu2's... lol. DMG > TANK always. The raven has both. People wishing to comment, that dont test these things, or know these things. Go back to mining pls. Or test, then post. points to second post on thread edit to clarify. When im talking bout setups, im talking bout pvp. not npc. Any cap recharge module, besides a cap INJECTOR is a npc setup module.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.04.27 15:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Nafri on 27/04/2005 15:34:50 dunno what your flying, but mine ravens werent that great most of the time siege launchers have pretty slow ROF, torps arent that hard hitters and when you have a 3 vs 3 BS combat, 3 gank turret ships will kill those ravens for sure but I still cant find the point about this thread, everybody knows that smartbombs are usefull against ravens, but everybody knows that another gun is also usefull Wanna fly with me?
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa	Posted - 2005.04.27 15:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Black Lotus Apoc vs 20 Ganka-ravens. Apoc would kill them all. Or any BS, or EVEN a ZEALOT. Anyways, since i dont play much anymore, ill give out a secret that some know, but not very many at all.. 1 medium t2 smartbomb can take out a torp. 2 medium t2 smartbombs, will take out every single incomiming missile. And yes, u can easily strap one on ur ganka-zealot. Anyways, i flew my raven alot, because i knew people didnt know this. but whenever i went up vs another raven, i never used my 800mill raven. Cause a 120mill fitted apoc, was more then enough and gauranteed win. Anyways, have fun. Im sure raven prices will drop alot now. :P Just FYI a med t2, compared to a large... lol, extremly low fitting, extremely low cap. Raven pilots everywhere, beware, LOL. :P [sarcasm]In other words.... boost the Raven, nerf the smartbombs !!![/sarcasm]
Garnet Strife	Posted - 2005.04.27 16:21:00 - [29] Pimping a raven makes a diffrence, You can pimp a raven with about a bil worth of equip and with ok ish skills about 10-15mil you can tank 2-3 skilled gunship pilots no probs, Try pimping a megathron or geddon, they can do damage but cant tank I WANT A SIG!
Valrandir	Posted - 2005.04.27 16:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Valrandir on 27/04/2005 16:48:17 . --------------------------------

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