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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: Hanns
Originally by: Sun Ra
Whats the point of flaming c4w3 when everyone knows those who left cos they couldnt handle [G] ?
All the post have been excuses we were afk/didnt reall want to/playing wow/foyle did it without us knowing.
F-E are a PvP alliance yeah? well they had no one to shoot so who do u shoot? those who are right next to you cos you dont have to travel far, but seems as soon as they lost control of the stations the excuses came out.
Blah dunno why im so bothered about all this but i am
F-E and FoE are different thing F-E is the Forsaken empire which was once a large PVP alliance but now just a small corp of long time eve players, your talking about FoE which is the pvp alliance your speaking of, which did have F-E in its ranks, althogh most of the long term F-E pilots were never 100% behind the Creation of the FoE and the addition of most of ex curse alliance. FoE lost the stations and controll coz they bit off more than they could chew, despite the warnings of the long term F-E pilots who are currently on an eve-vacation.
hope this clears up some things.
I know the history dood, but F-E the corp has have had something to do with the whole thing starting, ill quote slighlymad
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I do not follow you completely Ender Hawks. How can you wash FE hands on the subject of the FOE-PA war?
Fugazzi from your corp has right from the beginning been on top of the barricades screaming for the destruction of PA ships. On top of that he also was LEADING the attack into HPA which more or less would guarantee that PA started to sharpen their knives. That attack made sure that the differences between our alliances was not solved diplomaticly and that all talks went sour after that.
Ballistic Void from your corp have also been one of the loudest people in this. Giving ultimatums like "You are either with us or againsts us" when we wanted to stay neutral in regards of your current wars. He also threw the final match on the pile of gasoline by convoing Cochise and saying that we were not allowed to use UMI-KK for traveling to Empire anymore. And there is nothing surer of getting a war than cutting PA out from empire completely, is it?
It seems they were all up for it at the start, then they got spanked and blamed it all on Foyle & Co and swore they had nothing to do with it, the only FoE i saw saying anything about not wanting to shoot PA is GODS but hey they still went away and did it.
F-E lost their space, they want it back, so they took the cowedly route to get it back, i hope PA/G/IRON dont let them off so easy.
Maybe im wrong but this is how 90% of EVE see's it
How do you know what 90% of anything sees?
Fugazi is a killer no doubt, and well respected, but Hanns and others, the real old-timers in F-E (more than a year or 2), didn't want anything to do with a war with PA...
Most of the old timers in F-E were former Bio-Mass cartel, the pirate org that went semi-legit. We fought the Venal Alliance, New Venal Alliance, and PA for a long time. At some point in time, I think enough mutual respect developed between FE and PA, and besides, we liked not having to worry about attack from the north.
Listening to Foyle and some people talk about the ultimate war on PA, well before hostilities began, was disturbing. As if it was a forgone conclusion and she was just waiting for a pretext.
Also, the most successful fights I have been in have been head up by veterans like Hupa and Havocide. I learned to go with an expendable vessel when FOE was leading the fighting. Seeing basic mistakes by fleet commanders cost people their ships was disheartening. FoE has good commanders, C4 is one of them, but lots of wannabees.
Anyways, just more politics. Politics in many ways are the best and worst part of eve. And that's why you will find alot of F-E playing "L" right now... 
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