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Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2012.11.25 14:48:00 - [1] - Quote While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1127	Posted - 2012.11.25 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. Yeah, I'm sure solo ratting BS will sacrifice some tank for a module they'll never need to use if they're paying attention to local. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Romvex 163	Posted - 2012.11.25 14:59:00 - [3] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. Yeah, I'm sure solo ratting BS will sacrifice some tank for a module they'll never need to use if they're paying attention to local. pretty much this. If you are ratting in null or low and a bomber is on grid with you, you're doing it wrong. Post with your main
M1k3y Koontz Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda 54	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:01:00 - [4] - Quote As for ruining bombing runs, it has an 11 second cycle time, bombs fly for 10. Still going to get hit. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1132	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:05:00 - [5] - Quote M1k3y Koontz wrote: As for ruining bombing runs, it has an 11 second cycle time, bombs fly for 10. Still going to get hit. I wonder where people get all this wrong information? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:15:00 - [6] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. Offer BS pilots tools to be other thing than a simple victim or a lolish presence, is a very nice improvement. Tactics will change and I have very good news for you: BOMBERS CAN FIT WARP SCRAMBLERS !! -and they can even cloak and get close enough to apply it directly. Of course you'll have to deal too with new rats AI who may actually web scramble/disrupt you too but I guess you forgot this little thing too. While OGB is still available, and it's not ready to go away that fast because :effort:, new bombers generation WILL be deadly, dam deadly. Please stop crying for peanut, it's silly and childish.
Oregin Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 49	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:32:00 - [7] - Quote Even with the skills maxed, the spool up is 8 seconds. That gives a fleet 2 seconds to ensure that everyone hits the module. I think that's fair. In the past, BS gangs have been able to warp off when aligned if bombs start to fly and this simply means they're able to stay on grid. Any good BS fleet would not be sat stationary anyway.
Lex Alandar Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans 8	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:44:00 - [8] - Quote I agree it's slightly silly. Currently, you need a perfect dictor pilot to execute the really good bombing runs (or some very specific situations) If this module becomes standard fleet issue, Alphafleet (and other BS doctrines) cannot die to bomb runs on grid. Oh you'll still die to the bombs if your FC or individual pilots make an error. But that is a huge change, relying on the error of the defender rather than the skill of the aggressor.
Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:49:00 - [9] - Quote Lex Alandar wrote: I agree it's slightly silly. Currently, you need a perfect dictor pilot to execute the really good bombing runs (or some very specific situations) If this module becomes standard fleet issue, Alphafleet (and other BS doctrines) cannot die to bomb runs on grid. Oh you'll still die to the bombs if your FC or individual pilots make an error. But that is a huge change, relying on the error of the defender rather than the skill of the aggressor. This.
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 94	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:55:00 - [10] - Quote Takes bombers off the list Ok guys what's that leave now? Other than loltackle frigs or dictors....What's that leave? like 4 or 5 ships you can actually use in fleet fights now?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10428	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:59:00 - [11] - Quote Simple answer: they're not. They're giving one hull type a module of iffy usefulness that spreads out any kind of fleet and leaves it dead in the water without any support. BuckStrider wrote: Takes bombers off the list Other than loltackle frigs or dictors....What's that leave? like 4 or 5 ships you can actually use in fleet fights now? Let's seeGÇª interceptors, CovOps, Bombers, Dictors, A number of cruisers, Recons, HICs, Logis, maybe even the occasional HAC, T3s, Tier-2 and 3 (and maybe even 1) BCs, CSes, BSes, Carriers, Titans. So about 90 ships. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Mirima Thurander Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition 410	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:09:00 - [12] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. Yeah, I'm sure solo ratting BS will sacrifice some tank for a module they'll never need to use if they're paying attention to local. Nurf local A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me.
Lex Alandar Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans 8	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:26:00 - [13] - Quote Tippia wrote: Simple answer: they're not. They're giving one hull type a module of iffy usefulness that spreads out any kind of fleet and leaves it dead in the water without any support. I knew somebody was going to bring this up, despite, and probably because I omitted stating obviousness in my post. Two words... Logi Anchor. No need for the fleet to be spread out simply because the BS move 100km in one direction.....unless you're terrible, or don't know what a logi anchor is. ...and if next you're going to suggest bombing the support, well...
Ra'Shyne Viper Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote By the time you notice a SB bombing, the bomb will already be 3-4 secs in space.
Gal'o Sengen State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:41:00 - [15] - Quote I think you're vastly underestimating the Buffs to Torps. Being affected by Guided Missile Precision means reducing their Explosion Velocity by 25%, plus the effect of Implants and Rigs, plus the unspecified buff that they're going to be getting alongside this. You can actually apply full damage to something smaller than a Capital without devoting 8 mids to it. If anything it seems more like a Buff specific to solo bombing (because that's what you referred too) as you'll actually be able to rely on your primary weapons system to deal damage rather than all your eggs being in the Bomb basket.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5269	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:48:00 - [16] - Quote Stealth whine about OP bombers detected MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 948	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:53:00 - [17] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. Any FC wanting to do what the microjumpdrive does would just use an interceptor and warp to 50. It would take less time and effort and be more accurate in putting him where he wants to go. I mean look, putting in that thing means you either have to sacrifice some damage, tank, or short range mobility, all of which are far more important than a 100km jump that will just make the enemy fleet do a quick covops bounce. If even that. Honestly to me that module is just proof that CCP's fleet combat trials last year were 'too little too late', because no one there knows what the hell they are doing when introducing stuff like this.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10428	Posted - 2012.11.25 17:54:00 - [18] - Quote Lex Alandar wrote: Two words... Logi Anchor. GÇªneither of which mean GÇ£everyone is pointing in the same directionGÇ¥ (quite the opposite in fact) or GÇ£wow, my logi suddenly has 150% more rangeGÇ¥. So no, the fleet will spread out in a nice little expanded sphere and quite likely be out of range of the support ships. Oh, and unless they were at point-blank range with the enemy, they're also quite likely to have jumped to something that's suitable for an on-grid warp for the opposing force. If not GÇö if the fleet is so co-ordinated that everyone is pointing in the exact same direction at all times and that the logi is always ~50km ahead of the main group so you only leap-frog it with that MJD GÇö the bombers have a very obvious and very easily predicted spot to carpet-bombGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Galaxy Pig Caldari Provisions Caldari State 167	Posted - 2012.11.25 18:31:00 - [19] - Quote Won't keep me from whoring killmails in my manti :)
YoYo NickyYo Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2012.11.25 18:34:00 - [20] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. Any FC wanting to do what the microjumpdrive does would just use an interceptor and warp to 50. It would take less time and effort and be more accurate in putting him where he wants to go. I mean look, putting in that thing means you either have to sacrifice some damage, tank, or short range mobility, all of which are far more important than a 100km jump that will just make the enemy fleet do a quick covops bounce. If even that. Honestly to me that module is just proof that CCP's fleet combat trials last year were 'too little too late', because no one there knows what the hell they are doing when introducing stuff like this. This is a first. I actually agree with something a Goon posted. I must now go commit seppuku. I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
Romvex 166	Posted - 2012.11.25 20:55:00 - [21] - Quote YoYo NickyYo wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. Any FC wanting to do what the microjumpdrive does would just use an interceptor and warp to 50. It would take less time and effort and be more accurate in putting him where he wants to go. I mean look, putting in that thing means you either have to sacrifice some damage, tank, or short range mobility, all of which are far more important than a 100km jump that will just make the enemy fleet do a quick covops bounce. If even that. Honestly to me that module is just proof that CCP's fleet combat trials last year were 'too little too late', because no one there knows what the hell they are doing when introducing stuff like this. This is a first. I actually agree with something a Goon posted. I must now go commit seppuku. and I'll be behind you with a sword just in case Post with your main
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 455	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:36:00 - [22] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. that crappy armor hardener which nobody uses but which - by some miracle of stupidity, I am certain - is yet considered highly desirable on triage carriers and mandatory on supercapitals (replacing the armor layering membrane for the latter)? And that's before the buff to the speed at which resistances shift and the reduced capacitor need - after Dec 4th it might well be viable on tanky battleships. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 172	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:47:00 - [23] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. that crappy armor hardener which nobody uses but which - by some miracle of stupidity, I am certain - is yet considered highly desirable on triage carriers and mandatory on supercapitals (replacing the armor layering membrane for the latter)? And that's before the buff to the speed at which resistances shift and the reduced capacitor need - after Dec 4th it might well be viable on tanky battleships. Then the MicroJumpDrive will be the most useless module next to the Target Spectrum Breaker vOv
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1690	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:55:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah, lets not add new mechanics to mix up gameplay. We all know how timeless and and unnecessary everything has been after the initial release. Ships larger than cruisers? Faction ships? All this has been ruining Eve over the past 9 years.
Thomas Orca Zero Fun Allowed 120	Posted - 2012.11.25 22:08:00 - [25] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: No one is going to use the MicroJumpDrive. It's going to be the most useless module in eve next to that crappy armor hardener they added. Any FC wanting to do what the microjumpdrive does would just use an interceptor and warp to 50. It would take less time and effort and be more accurate in putting him where he wants to go. I mean look, putting in that thing means you either have to sacrifice some damage, tank, or short range mobility, all of which are far more important than a 100km jump that will just make the enemy fleet do a quick covops bounce. If even that. Honestly to me that module is just proof that CCP's fleet combat trials last year were 'too little too late', because no one there knows what the hell they are doing when introducing stuff like this. You can't warp out of bubbles. You can MicroJump Drive out. You can't warp while warp disrupted. You can MicroJump Drive out. In the time it takes to spool up a Mael can burn a whole 10k. This is why its a useful module.
Renan Ruivo Vera Cruz. Nulli Secunda 907	Posted - 2012.11.25 22:40:00 - [26] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. Why are you solo-bombing a BS fleet?! The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
fukier Flatline. 164	Posted - 2012.11.25 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: While CCP is buffing torps, it doesn't matter because of the new MicroJumpDrive. What is the point of bombing or solo bombing if a BS can just jump 100km away even when disrupted? This kills solo bombing and all kiting cruisers all together because of 1 module. The MicroJumpDrive is not a bad module. It just will kill PvP by making it easier for Battleships to run away and take no damage should they get in trouble. Why is this module not affected by disrupts? Even a scaling effect, such as "disrupt won't stop you from warping but make it 8x longer to use the MJD" would be helpful. bring a friend in a keres? At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Savos Arenn Acetech Systems 0	Posted - 2012.11.25 23:17:00 - [28] - Quote Its not like every single BS is going to fit one.
Shederov Blood Wrecketeers 271	Posted - 2012.11.26 00:21:00 - [29] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: BOMBERS CAN FIT WARP SCRAMBLERS !! How do you propose I bomb while scramming? Should I get in scram range first, launch the bomb, and miss completely? Or should I start at bombing range, launch, rush in for the scram, and blow myself up?
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 442	Posted - 2012.11.26 00:26:00 - [30] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: BOMBERS CAN FIT WARP SCRAMBLERS !! How do you propose I bomb while scramming? Should I get in scram range first, launch the bomb, and miss completely? Or should I start at bombing range, launch, rush in for the scram, and blow myself up? Yes, I can see the hazard in that. Actually, despite sitting in a Bomber in game at this very moment, with a Bomb Launcher, I can't seem to recall the effective range of the bomb. I do recall that the bomb launches with iirc a 30 second fuse and travels 30 km in that time. Aside from that, and the fact that it is pretty much a straight line drop and run, I never really thought about it. Always been aware that you can bomb yourself, just never worried about it as I've never gone to Null with one. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub

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