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scorpion007
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Posted - 2005.04.28 18:44:00 -
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wich one would you think is better in pvp when you go hunting in a group ?
looking for the best ship to take down a target fast with a bunch.. really would appreciate some advice from the veterans over here :) then maybe i'll be able to make a choice .. currently training for the harpy .. but if the enyo is better in group pvp i would go for the enyo
thx in advance !!!
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Tensa
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Posted - 2005.04.28 18:55:00 -
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Matters what you want to do in pvp. short range high damage or long range safe damage. They can both do both well but it seems enyo is better at close range(with it's tracking bonus) and harpy at long(with it's optimal range bonus). Other than that they seem almost identical. Oh yea....enyo looks to be better at armor tanking and harpy better at shield tanking.
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Stribog
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Posted - 2005.04.28 19:23:00 -
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Now, i've only flown the Harpy, but i can give you some comments on it.
Pro's:
> Can hit with antimatter from 2,000m to ~22km. (optimal beeing 13-20km depending on skills)
> Godlike defence with a Gistii shieldbooster.
Con's:
> Less cool then an Enyo.
> Less agility/speed then an Enyo. (?)
> Can't really comment any further, 'cause i haven't flown both. :)
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.04.28 20:55:00 -
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An Enyo will easily own a harpy if both ships are fitted with tech2 (even with rails on both ships). Enyo simply has the better tanking. Also an Enyo will be more usefull as a damage dealer for smaller groups, since enyo has the med slots free to fit a mwd or ab, which will make using blasters a good choice.
Things change a bit when a harpy is gisti fitted. Then this harpy will take out an enyo without much trouble. It also has some cpu left to fit damagemods, which will close the gap in damage output.
So its your choice. If you can afford loosing some small gisti shield boosters - go for harpy. If not take an enyo.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2005.04.28 21:46:00 -
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In a group, I'd go with the Harpy's damage bonus. Someone else can work out whether 150mm rails or 125mm rails are best :)
From personal experience/preference:
PVP: about even. maybe Harpy
PVE: Enyo
Final way to decide: chose Harpy if you have better shield tanking skills, or Enyo if you have better armour tanking skills.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Lily Savage
In a group, I'd go with the Harpy's damage bonus. Someone else can work out whether 150mm rails or 125mm rails are best :)
From personal experience/preference:
PVP: about even. maybe Harpy
PVE: Enyo
Final way to decide: chose Harpy if you have better shield tanking skills, or Enyo if you have better armour tanking skills.
Enyo get's better damage bonus. It's true that Harpy get's 5% per level of assault frigates when Enyo get's 5% tracking but Enyo also get's 5% damage per gallante frigate level (which you already have at level 5) when Harpy get's 5% bonus to optimal range.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:32:00 -
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For PvP I would choose the Enyo for the following reason:
The Harpy gets shield tanked.
The Enyo gets armor tanked.
PvP tackling requires mid slots. Webbers, Disruptors, Scramblers, Target Painters, etc. If you're in the Harpy, you're most likely dedicating 3/4 midslots to an afterburner and a shield booster. That last midslot becomes a choice between tanking and tackling.
Since the Enyo is armor tanked, that leaves your midslots to an afterburner and whatever you want (I usually go with a disruptor). The low slots get dedicated to a full tank (and with the right skills it can tank for a very, very long time).
If you're in a group, though, and you don't plan on tackling in any way, then hop in a Harpy. When setup for full tanking it's as hard as a rock.
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Queen Latifah
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:08:00 -
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i dont know jack about assault ships but how is this harpy setup?
4 150mm t2
1 gisti ab
1 em hard active
1 disruptor( too much cap?)
1 gisti sb
2 overdrives
that gives ca 1300ms spd  critisize plz
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:26:00 -
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A well fitted Harpy owns an std. Enyo any time. A well fitted Enyo will kill a std. fitted Harpy. You can't say that one AF is better than the other 'cause it depends on your setup.
It's like a Blasterthron vs a 1400mm Tempest at close range. Guess who wins.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.04.29 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Spuki
An Enyo will easily own a harpy if both ships are fitted with tech2 (even with rails on both ships). Enyo simply has the better tanking. Also an Enyo will be more usefull as a damage dealer for smaller groups, since enyo has the med slots free to fit a mwd or ab, which will make using blasters a good choice.
Things change a bit when a harpy is gisti fitted. Then this harpy will take out an enyo without much trouble. It also has some cpu left to fit damagemods, which will close the gap in damage output.
So its your choice. If you can afford loosing some small gisti shield boosters - go for harpy. If not take an enyo.
Exactly !
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.04.29 00:54:00 -
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4 t2 neutrons
1 rocket launcher or cloaker
1 gisti ab type a
1 gisti sb
1 scrambler
1 webber
2 pdu t2 or 2 overdrives
good spd and sick dmg, enemys cant warp away. Give me ur thoughts please
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eXaro
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Posted - 2005.04.29 01:23:00 -
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kick ass harpy setup...
iv sold one for 135mil.
aka the "gistii harpy"
4 125mm rails II
1 rocket launcher / nos
1 gisti ab type a
1 gisti sb
1 em hardner
1 webber
2 dmg mods.
got over 3.5 min runtime on all equipment running.
this ofc changes depending on if you have nos and your skills... also pdus in lowslot also make a diffrence... but still... best frig around :-D
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.29 01:52:00 -
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Enyo definitely. The tracking bonus means you dont even need a web (usually, anyway), just fit an afterburner and a disruptor in the mids, 125mm rails are preferrable to 150. And it certainly does tank better.
Harpy can get tricky and nasty if you use the medslots in... unconventional ways, though.
Either way the harpy just can't beat an enyo if the enyo has an afterburner. Admittedly it takes a while to get through a harpy tank due to the damage types you do of course.
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Mortifier
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:10:00 -
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Booemic, Shananard behehe the enyo 4tehw1n, unless h4rpy cruiser
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:27:00 -
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if going in pack, retribution 4tw. And 1vs1 it can own any of those two.
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Mortifier
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:36:00 -
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yea but only if 2 are the same, except cruise manipulator
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Cracken
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Posted - 2005.04.29 03:11:00 -
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Assault frigates do not tackle if you need a tackler get a buddy in an inty too do it for you.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: *****en
Assault frigates do not tackle if you need a tackler get a buddy in an inty too do it for you.
Yeah and neither do BS 
Intys are specialised tacklers for chasing people who want to run. For a lot of PVP you can tackle with anything up to a cruiser.
If you think completely inside the box like that then you will get owned by people that don't follow the "rules".
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:27:00 -
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Why not train for both m8t
Remember they both use hybrids and thats 1 pain outta the way for weapons unlike training for amarr or minnie, u just need blasters and rails. Then all u gotta do is train both to respected lvl 5 in frig and the assault skill will cover for the second once already trained.
Go for the 1 that will prolly most suit u then while using it train for the other, maybe that will help with ur decision
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:45:00 -
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harpy with gisti sb(with setup that runs 4ever) will own any other hac or even cruiser(maybe exept for amarr cruisers)....I'v tanked cerberus(scourge) in my harpy 4ever;), you cant do that in enyo even with 80% kin res
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:46:00 -
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harpy=good for grups
enyo=good for solo
just like almost all other gallente ships=good for solo
and caldari for grups
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Demetrius Carnigie
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Posted - 2005.04.29 06:37:00 -
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From what ive seen, my Enyo can tank the hell out of anything.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2005.04.29 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Puppy
Enyo get's better damage bonus. It's true that Harpy get's 5% per level of assault frigates when Enyo get's 5% tracking but Enyo also get's 5% damage per gallante frigate level (which you already have at level 5) when Harpy get's 5% bonus to optimal range.
Ah...yes. A good point, well made.
Something I didn't note before: you can tank a Harpy and still fit 2 damage mods.
Are there any ships that are more fun to fly than these? I have half a mind to invade the Brutix set-up thread and recommend an Enyo instead
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.04.29 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 29/04/2005 10:43:00
i can fly both,but before i could fly the harpy i thought the enyo rocked.
then i put a gisti sb on my harpy and i was converted
overpowered mods 4tw
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 29/04/2005 10:43:00
i can fly both,but before i could fly the harpy i thought the enyo rocked.
then i put a gisti sb on my harpy and i was converted
overpowered mods 4tw
same
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Demetrius Carnigie
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Posted - 2005.04.29 11:11:00 -
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My Enyo happily tanked a Demios.
Whats the Armor Rep equivilant of the Gistii SB? Pith or whatevee?
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Gary Goat
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Posted - 2005.04.29 11:25:00 -
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Gistii sb is an angels shield booster right? Makes scence cos a lot of angels ships shield tank so why the hell dont the serpentis have an equally as good armor repairer? It makes scence and would make the enyo a beast. Its only fair after all
Us enyo pilots can always dream i guess
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Demetrius Carnigie
My Enyo happily tanked a Demios.
Whats the Armor Rep equivilant of the Gistii SB? Pith or whatevee?
no way, unless deimos pilot was some kind of noob...or had mining lasers
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2ippy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 11:30:00 -
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what about the amarr assault figs, any good?
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gary Goat
Gistii sb is an angels shield booster right? Makes scence cos a lot of angels ships shield tank so why the hell dont the serpentis have an equally as good armor repairer? It makes scence and would make the enyo a beast. Its only fair after all
Us enyo pilots can always dream i guess
Well they are in game but just don't drop. Just check the corpii and centii armor repairers.
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