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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:30:00 -
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EVE is 10 years old or will be shortly. With close to a decade of game play there is an over abundance of ISK in circulation. Would it be wise for CCP to look into moving missions and ratting away from giving ISK bounties and move to a different system?
I am neither for or against the idea this is just more of a discussion on now to either curb inflation or how to create new ISK sinks to pull out some of the over abundance of ISK in this game.
My Idea would be to stop giving ISK bounties to missions lvl 3 and above, belt rats, and anomalies. I don't know what you would change the reward to though as LP just doesn't seam like the right way to go.
Please post constructive thoughts on this.
Also for fun what do you think the total amount of ISK in game is currently?
Thanks Mirple |

Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:37:00 -
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Aren't there enough important differences between EVE and the real world that inflation isn't really that much of a problem here?
Surely the only things that are seriously "harmed" by inflation are activities that award flat, defined levels of ISK - and those are the same activities that can cause inflation in the first place. Wouldn't it them follow that the problem is self-correcting? Ie. if too many people run missions and thereby inject ISK into the economy, then mission running, as a flat-reward activity, becomes less profitable, so less people do it?
Most actual "wealth" is held in the form of assets, right? And production-based activities auto-adjust their rewards based on inflation |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1600
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:42:00 -
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Lance Rossiter wrote:Ie. if too many people run missions and thereby inject ISK into the economy, then mission running, as a flat-reward activity, becomes less profitable, so less people do it? You give them too much credit TK is recruiting |

Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:44:00 -
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I don't think new ISK sinks are needed. There are plenty already, started with inactive accounts via broker fees to expired insurances, destroyed items etc.
Inflation is not really a problem due to the fact that general income has grown over the years, too and anyone has the same chance to earn ISK.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:45:00 -
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Posting in yet another poorly stealthed nerf high-sec thread.
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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
163
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:55:00 -
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My Idea would be to stop giving ISK bounties to missions lvl 3 and above, belt rats, and anomalies. I don't know what you would change the reward to though as LP just doesn't seam like the right way to go.
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Thanks Mirple[/quote]
Pretty sure this item is not in Hi Sec but hey think what you want. |

David Campbell
Riposte.
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:04:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:I don't think new ISK sinks are needed. There are plenty already, started with inactive accounts via broker fees to expired insurances, destroyed items etc.
Inflation is not really a problem due to the fact that general income has grown over the years, too and anyone has the same chance to earn ISK.
Destroyed items don't remove ISK for the game. The ISK you paid for those item is in someone else wallet. The only removed ISK are those paid to NPCs, be it in taxes, broker fees, bills, skillbooks etc.... |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1041
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:15:00 -
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How about reading and watching the countless posts, reports and presentations on the subject before making what amounts to a preschooler post on ISK supply? Nyan |

Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:47:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Colonel Xaven wrote:I don't think new ISK sinks are needed. There are plenty already, started with inactive accounts via broker fees to expired insurances, destroyed items etc.
Inflation is not really a problem due to the fact that general income has grown over the years, too and anyone has the same chance to earn ISK. Destroyed items don't remove ISK for the game. The ISK you paid for those item is in someone else wallet. The only removed ISK are those paid to NPCs, be it in taxes, broker fees, bills, skillbooks etc....
Yes, true. Thanks for the correction.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:14:00 -
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The thing is, a Level 3 mission paid 250K ISK 7 years ago. It still does today. Inflation is one of the things that make content obsolete. EVE becomes a grindwhore all about the top 1% of the content. |
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Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
1026
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:16:00 -
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Posting in a thread I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
163
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:17:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:The thing is, a Level 3 mission paid 250K ISK 7 years ago. It still does today. Inflation is one of the things that make content obsolete. EVE becomes a grindwhore all about the top 1% of the content.
Wow that is low is that just the reward or with bounties included? Would it be better if Missions only gave out isk in the reward and gave something else out for ships bounties i.e more lp for ship kill or tags that are more widely used? |

Stan Smith
Deathraven Industries The AirShip Pirates
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:25:00 -
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nerf moon mining before you even think about touching highsec. there is a lot less risk in null compared t highsec. the argument of "you need to hold sovereignty to moon mine" is a bad argument due to the NAP-fest null has become G’+/ /Gūī /n++ \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:26:00 -
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Does EVE have enough ISK?
No |

Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
126
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:29:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Posting in yet another poorly stealthed nerf high-sec thread. I'd be interested to hear your validation for that statement.
Stan Smith wrote:nerf moon mining before you even think about touching highsec. there is a lot less risk in null compared t highsec. the argument of "you need to hold sovereignty to moon mine" is a bad argument due to the NAP-fest null has become No, it's actually a really good argument, because gaining sov is a hell of a lot harder than gaining a mackinaw and going to find a 'roid.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:34:00 -
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MIrple wrote:Sisohiv wrote:The thing is, a Level 3 mission paid 250K ISK 7 years ago. It still does today. Inflation is one of the things that make content obsolete. EVE becomes a grindwhore all about the top 1% of the content. Wow that is low is that just the reward or with bounties included? Would it be better if Missions only gave out isk in the reward and gave something else out for ships bounties i.e more lp for ship kill or tags that are more widely used?
250 is the mission reward. You might break 3 Mill with bounties and time bonus. It's like that for a reason. You can do one in 20 minutes. I don't know if they should change those aspects of level 3's. I know most of the items in the LP store also pretty much require that you be doing level 4s to get the insignia's. Maybe give motive for level based missions below 4 but I don't know what it would be. It would be nice I suppose to see something you can only get by doing level 1, 2 or 3 missions and you can't just power through 4's to obtain but again, I can't say what. |

Harland White
Circle of Fortune
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:35:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:I'd be interested to hear your validation for that statement.
I'd be interested to hear your validation that it's not. |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
163
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:36:00 -
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Stan Smith wrote:nerf moon mining before you even think about touching highsec. there is a lot less risk in null compared t highsec. the argument of "you need to hold sovereignty to moon mine" is a bad argument due to the NAP-fest null has become
I also have an idea on that but I will post that sometime later. I will bring up the point though that moon mining doesn't create isk only redistributes it into different players wallets. What I am talking about it just the sheer amount of isk in game and do we need to create more at this point. I am not saying to reduce the amount of reward players get from running missions or anoms just a different form of payment. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:53:00 -
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Off topic post removed as per following rule:
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Off-topic posts are not prohibited but should be posted within reason. Excessive off-topic posts that derail a thread may result in the thread being locked.
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:11:00 -
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What about changing some rat types to drop compounds that become minerals.......wait I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
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Mai Khumm
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
313
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:13:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Posting in yet another poorly stealthed nerf high-sec thread. Empty quoting... Since EVE will be pay to win very soon. --> 65 Mil SP subcap pilot/45 Mil SP Caldari-Indy Cap pilot looking for Powerbloc Coalition... |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
164
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:18:00 -
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Christopher AET wrote:What about changing some rat types to drop compounds that become minerals.......wait
I see what you did there 
What about giving rats in empire a corresponding LP amount to what faction controlled space you are in?
I just worry that changing from ISK to more LP would drive the Navy Faction market down.
I want to state this again I do not want to nerf or decrease the amount that players in empire make just change the form of payment to slow the injection of ISK into the game. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1923
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:53:00 -
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MIrple wrote:
My Idea would be to stop giving ISK bounties to missions lvl 3 and above, belt rats, and anomalies.
I read this as, "I'm a bittervet trying desperately to hang in to my advantage by making it impossible for new players to get a foot in the door."
Mr Epeen  -įvOv |

Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:55:00 -
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When EVE throws in easy ISK - inflation rises
Easy ISK are Macro ISKs, unwisely rewarding incursions (from what I've heard), other activities with high income per hour and relative ease/safety. |

gfldex
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:56:00 -
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The ISK supply is steady but mineral prices and therefore T1 ships went up. If you want to revert that trend you have to revert the changes that has caused this increase of a very small part of the market (there is no inflation in EVE).
I strongly doubt you will be able to convince Soundwave that the loot drop nerf and the drone loot change where a terribad idea. And stopping the holy crusade on bots is off limits too.
The only reasonable change that would help lowmin prices come down would be to double mining output in highsec. That would render mining a void profession again. Soundwave would not be amused.
I would like to elaborate on that inflation myth. T2 prices are pretty stable, ignoring that effect of T1 items/hulls that are required to build them. Moon goo is pretty stable and planet goo and as a result POS mods are way down. So are ISK/LP rates for stuff that can be gained via Incursion or FW LP. Mission LP are pretty stable beside hulls. The latter are linked to mineral prices. Ice products are way down too. Exploration stuff went down or is stable. So where is your mythical inflation? If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain. |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
164
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:57:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:MIrple wrote:
My Idea would be to stop giving ISK bounties to missions lvl 3 and above, belt rats, and anomalies.
I read this as, "I'm a bittervet trying desperately to hang in to my advantage by making it impossible for new players to get a foot in the door." Mr Epeen 
That is no my intention at all in later post I have stated that I do not want to decrease the amount of rewards a mission or anomaly gives out just change the form of payout so that less isk in injected into the game. I want the younger players to enjoy the game I have just as much as I do today.
This is not a bitter vet rant at all. I don't know why the same people always post in every topic a negative post it gets old |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5609
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:09:00 -
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Stan Smith wrote:nerf moon mining before you even think about touching highsec. there is a lot less risk in null compared t highsec. the argument of "you need to hold sovereignty to moon mine" is a bad argument due to the NAP-fest null has become
thank you for your expert insights like "you need sovereignty to mine moons" ~*a-įproud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
164
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:31:00 -
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gfldex wrote:The ISK supply is steady but mineral prices and therefore T1 ships went up. If you want to revert that trend you have to revert the changes that has caused this increase of a very small part of the market (there is no inflation in EVE).
I strongly doubt you will be able to convince Soundwave that the loot drop nerf and the drone loot change where a terribad idea. And stopping the holy crusade on bots is off limits too.
The only reasonable change that would help lowmin prices come down would be to double mining output in highsec. That would render mining a void profession again. Soundwave would not be amused.
I would like to elaborate on that inflation myth. T2 prices are pretty stable, ignoring that effect of T1 items/hulls that are required to build them. Moon goo is pretty stable and planet goo and as a result POS mods are way down. So are ISK/LP rates for stuff that can be gained via Incursion or FW LP. Mission LP are pretty stable beside hulls. The latter are linked to mineral prices. Ice products are way down too. Exploration stuff went down or is stable. So where is your mythical inflation?
Ice product are way down because you have every AFK person and their brother sitting in Ice belts mining with 15 accounts.
For you idea on inflation you are saying that drone poo and t1 item drops were responsible for 50% of the minerals injected into the game? When I started playing you could buy a Domi for around 45 mill for the hull right now the same hull cost around 89 million that is close to double what it used to cost. |

Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
122
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:45:00 -
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If ISK isn't spent on a regular basis it will accumulate in the same hands, those of someone that doesn't need it.
The only thing this will have an effect on is PLEX. Once the rumours about huge ISK reserves *gained legitimately* <- you missed that a while ago - take hold, there will be an illusion of inflated PLEX prices.
PLEX prices will, arguably, be necessarily high. However, the same Veterans complaining about huge amounts of ISK that need sinking are missing that they have probably, from one 20bil officer mod, held enough ISK to apply PLEX for the rest of their gaming participation.
It wont help matters that several buy orders will establish the PLEX price, the only way this could be any different is multi-buy contracts on a first come first served basis. Even this would result in a designated alt sat in Jita hoarding :)
TL;DR: No one stockpiling huge amounts of ISK has any need to buy anything, if they do buy stuff they wont care about the price.
If they are PvP'ing and still turning a profit the problem being observed is "profiteering". E-commerce systems wont avoid this, as people believe it increases their financial affluence in real life. |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:Stan Smith wrote:nerf moon mining before you even think about touching highsec. there is a lot less risk in null compared t highsec. the argument of "you need to hold sovereignty to moon mine" is a bad argument due to the NAP-fest null has become thank you for your expert insights like "you need sovereignty to mine moons"
I think he was looking beyond the anchor a POS, put up a mining module and print ISK. In a way it was a compliment to the dedication of Goons, establishing the logistical nightmare needed to turn a 1 hr cycle on some POS mods in to a ship but you failed to see it as a compliment. |
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