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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:11:00 -
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There is no real reason why stealth bombers cannot launch bombs in low sec. Maybe a member of the CSM could ask CCP why this is currently so.
Im sure anyone with half a brain could come up with a counter to a bomber with stabs. It would give bomber pilots something extra to do in low sec and would help counter "blob" warfare. I can understand no bombs in high sec possibly cos of black ops.
If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory. |
Commander Ted
Dookie on the flowah
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Posted - 2012.11.28 05:43:00 -
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Their is a good reason, its the same one as why their are no bubbles. Null sec and empire low are distinct pvp environments that have different styles of pvp. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
233
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Posted - 2012.11.28 12:16:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Lack of pvp is low secs problem.
You clearly don't know how to low sec.
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Sean Parisi
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:34:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Commander Ted wrote:Lack of pvp is low secs problem. You clearly don't know how to low sec.
Blank Quote. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
558
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:49:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory. The answer you seek is somewhere in here. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:50:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Their is a good reason, its the same one as why their are no bubbles. Null sec and empire low are distinct pvp environments that have different styles of pvp. Massive blobs aren't really a problem in low sec either. Lack of pvp is low secs problem.
Thats a poor reason. Sure I understand no-one wants to get podded with bubbles in low sec but you could use the reason that the gates are controlled by concord and so any bubbles get popped by the sentry guns. Smartbombs are allowed in low sec as an aoe weapon. Should smartbombs be removed from low sec? Poor fiction disallows bombs and a decent gameplay feature. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
508
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:54:00 -
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I'm going to go with no.
Bumping, leave it alone. |
Corian Teranos
AirHogs Zulu People
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Posted - 2012.12.15 08:43:00 -
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The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party |
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
65
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Posted - 2012.12.15 15:04:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party
Now that would liven things up a bit
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
795
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:00:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party
That could make for hours of quality entertainment in Rancer. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Cheekything
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:25:00 -
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And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.12.16 15:48:00 -
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Cheekything wrote:And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it.
Wouldn't the sentries merely shoot the bubbles? Anyway bubbles are completely different. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1067
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:47:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Cheekything wrote:And lets allow people to anchor bubbles in low sec as well while we are at it. Wouldn't the sentries merely shoot the bubbles? Anyway bubbles are completely different.
Nope. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
405
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:45:00 -
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Probably started out that way due to a bomb potentially affecting a massive number of objects and in low each "hit" would require a sec.status calculation = bombs would crash almost any lowsec node when deployed.
But .. they just rewrote the aggression code I think so perhaps .. can certainly argue for the utility bombs, not sure about vanilla bombs though (certainly out from an RP perspective) as the blobs they are designed to counter rarely spawn. |
VonKolroth
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2013.01.13 09:53:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Probably started out that way due to a bomb potentially affecting a massive number of objects and in low each "hit" would require a sec.status calculation = bombs would crash almost any lowsec node when deployed.
But .. they just rewrote the aggression code I think so perhaps .. can certainly argue for the utility bombs, not sure about vanilla bombs though (certainly out from an RP perspective) as the blobs they are designed to counter rarely spawn.
But I want to be -10, like, right now. |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
22
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:13:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:The pirates are just scared because they don't want a SB to drop a big steamer onto their gate camping party
I actually lol'd this one. Ive been pirating for years and I don't think any pirate is scared of a stealth bombers with bombs. Most ships at a low sec camp are tanked because of sentries and while they are going to take damage from a bomb and one or two already damaged ships might die chances are about the same if stealth bombers showed up with torps. Considering bombing takes some skill and practice and a pinch of luck...a standard torp fit sb would probably be more effective. Go look at some of the alliance tournament matches, especially PL's...some times they could take out support but bombs rarely put larger tanked ships in any danger logi's or local reps couldn't pull them out of. Like a bunch of other people have said it is alot more to do with server resources than anything. Although a t1 fw fleet might be a little fun to bomb as a pirate... |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:14:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:There is no real reason why stealth bombers cannot launch bombs in low sec. Maybe a member of the CSM could ask CCP why this is currently so.
Im sure anyone with half a brain could come up with a counter to a bomber with stabs. It would give bomber pilots something extra to do in low sec and would help counter "blob" warfare. I can understand no bombs in high sec possibly cos of black ops.
If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory.
I support bombs in low sec because solo freighter kills are the best kills. |
chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
2
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:17:00 -
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The problem isn't that the pirates would be in danger.
The problem is jerk like me and my buddies, who would use this to kill every hauler that was brave enough to jump in.
When you jump in your about 13km of the gate. Bombs have a blast radius of 15km last I checked .
I have already had great success plugging gates with 6k radius smartbombs on their way out, with bombs I could get them comming in too. No one would ever make it through low sec again!
Easy fix. Infuse low sec with an attribute that kills bombs area of effect down to 4.5k
Or create a secondary ammo type that they can use that can be fired like a torpedo. And trades power for tracking. So instead of 6k base damage it would have say, 3k
I could use something like this to hunt solo targets. With a wolf pack I could take down almost anything, but it would be useless for gate camping.
Right then, Game on ;) |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
795
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:52:00 -
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Ok how about this: Can't aim bombs at anything within 10km of a Gate or NPC station, but everywhere else bombs would be kosher? EvE Forum Bingo |
Serina Tsukaya
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2013.01.28 13:01:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Ok how about this: Can't aim bombs at anything within 10km of a Gate or NPC station, but everywhere else bombs would be kosher?
Tell me where else the bombs would then be used? There's little point in being able to use bombs in these systems if that's your suggestion. It's also an incentive for moving into null territory.
What i'm curious about is why Titans can't doomsday in low, now that their damage is no longer aoe. |
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Xygatrix
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:03:00 -
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Why are smartbomb gate camps allowed in lowsec but stealth bombers can't launch bombs? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:47:00 -
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Xygatrix wrote:Why are smartbomb gate camps allowed in lowsec but stealth bombers can't launch bombs? Because there are no bubbles to catch Stealth Bombers as they warp away (stabbed battleships can be caught by HICs and sufficient number of "fast points")... they can be used far more precisely than smartbombs... and a reasonable number of bombs can melt anything battleship class and lower. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising
118
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Posted - 2013.02.02 04:00:00 -
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Xygatrix wrote:Why are smartbomb gate camps allowed in lowsec but stealth bombers can't launch bombs?
Sure lets also nerf them to do the same as 1 small smartbomb and reduce their explosion radius to 3km. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
131
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:45:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Xygatrix wrote:Why are smartbomb gate camps allowed in lowsec but stealth bombers can't launch bombs? Because there are no bubbles to catch Stealth Bombers as they warp away (stabbed battleships can be caught by HICs and sufficient number of "fast points")... they can be used far more precisely than smartbombs... and a reasonable number of bombs can melt anything battleship class and lower.
So pirates who are equipped to catch fast aligning frigates can not catch and destroy a stealth bomber with a destroyer etc? As for podding every indy that comes through the gate you might have to wait some time for it to appear which along with it being a potentially insta warp one [and/or having low value loot], bombers having fairly low ehp, bombs having a large volume along with the distance bombs have to travel could make gate camping with bombers alone be a waste of gate camping time.
They would probably be better off used to destroy gatecamps. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
370
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Posted - 2013.02.04 12:51:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:There is no real reason why stealth bombers cannot launch bombs in low sec. Maybe a member of the CSM could ask CCP why this is currently so.
Im sure anyone with half a brain could come up with a counter to a bomber with stabs. It would give bomber pilots something extra to do in low sec and would help counter "blob" warfare. I can understand no bombs in high sec possibly cos of black ops.
If there is a reason why bombs cannot be used in low sec I would like to hear it, so I can debunk the theory.
People bombing station undocks.
Instant negative 10 standing.
It's a 0.0 mechanic same as sov holding, station ownership, etc. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
131
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Posted - 2013.02.18 05:27:00 -
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Insta undock can solve that.
Not undocking can also solve being ganked at an undock. Bombs also have to travel a certain distance before exploding which give you time to warp off. Sentries surrounding the stations can also be a deterrent to bomber pilots. Also any friendlies can kill bomber pilots. |
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